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5 minutes ago, dudley dawson said:

Let's hire him! Who says no?

Listen he'd be a character in the organization who might say some things publicly that we dont like. That being said he is a Defense wizard, his blitz schemes are genius. I'd want him to learn how to be more conservative as a play caller, but when he wants your QB sacked that dude is sacked! I'd love it

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If the new GM goes the route of a new coach I would like the HC to be Kyle Shanahan and DC to be Rex Ryan. Let kyle focus on the offense and Rex take care of the defense. Wouldn't even need to change schemes.

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Let's pass on Rex and move on......

 

First,  being a DC is his strength,  but he inherited a great defense in Buffalo (I think it was top-5) and they turned it into a bottom 10 ranked defense.    Very poor.       No one knows why,  but that's on Rex.

 

Second,  the Colts are not a big personality team.    They like quiet, low key guys....   that doesn't sound like Rex. 

 

Third....    I'm not sure Rex is an Indiana kind of guy....    he seems more Big City.     I know, Buffalo doesn't fit that description,   but it gave him a chance to be a head coach and in a division where he could go against the Jets, Dophins and Patriots twice a year.     So, you move to Buffalo.     

 

It just seems like a bad fit all the way around.....

 

 

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54 minutes ago, zibby43 said:

Have heard that his defense is "too complicated" for players to understand.

 

I would like to see our guys in a scheme that allows them to play fast.

 

9 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Let's pass on Rex and move on......

 

First,  being a DC is his strength,  but he inherited a great defense in Buffalo (I think it was top-5) and they turned it into a bottom 10 ranked defense.    Very poor.       No one knows why,  but that's on Rex.

 

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For those who grew up in it all career (Bart Scott, etc...) it is not hard.  For players of other schemes that have never been exposed to it, it's... welt, I'll let this article explain:

 

http://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/22980/five-problems-bills-players-have-with-rex-ryans-defense

 

Do you think our guys could learn it and run it?

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2 minutes ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

 

For those who grew up in it all career (Bart Scott, etc...) it is not hard.  For players of other schemes that have never been exposed to it, it's... welt, I'll let this article explain:

 

http://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/22980/five-problems-bills-players-have-with-rex-ryans-defense

 

Do you think our guys could learn it and run it?

 

First...      really good find....     so, thanks for posting this.     I had not seen this before.

 

Second....     I don't know if our players could learn and run it effectively.      I think hearing players say they're thinking too much and just not reacting is a red flag....   PLUS,  the parts about plays being signaled in late,  and players running on to the field late is another major problem.      I don't understand how this happened?

 

Rex has been a successful DC.    Rob has been a DC with success and failure on his resume,  but he was working for his brother,  so how did things go so wrong?       It's a head scratcher....

 

Also,  our defense is a major rebuild,  so I'm not sure Rex would be interested in a rebuilt where the results might be slow to come......?

 

I like Rex.....    but I'm highly skeptical here....

 

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2 hours ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

 

For those who grew up in it all career (Bart Scott, etc...) it is not hard.  For players of other schemes that have never been exposed to it, it's... welt, I'll let this article explain:

 

http://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/22980/five-problems-bills-players-have-with-rex-ryans-defense

 

Do you think our guys could learn it and run it?

 

What you shared above makes perfect sense.  And I'll try to answer your closing question below.

 

I'm a Notre Dame fan (don't hold it against me lol - I got started young as my father was a business partner with Lou Holtz).

 

Last season, Notre Dame fired its defensive coordinator, Brian VanGorder, in the middle of the season.  You know things are bad when a major coordinator gets kicked to the curb during the midst of a season.  But that is how bad things had gotten in South Bend.

 

I had to suffer through VanGorder for multiple seasons.  He had the luxury of being able to coach an absolute game wrecker of a LB (Jaylon Smith).  Although Smith was an incredible pass rusher, VanGorder hardly ever utilized Smith in that role because he needed Smith cleaning up other players' mistakes (which stemmed from scheme confusion).

 

Romeo Okwara - rookie pass rusher for the Giants this year.  He had a great rookie season and played better for the Giants than he did at ND.  Why?  VanGorder's system takes pass rushers and drops them into zone coverage (facilitating mismatches that opposing offensive coordinators salivated over).

 

VanGorder constantly brought pressure, and a lot of it from depth (e.g., a Safety blitz where the Safety begins the blitz "at depth," in his normal position).  The pressure hardly, if ever, got home.

 

The lack of pressure, assignment confusion, and a scheme that exposed players' weaknesses (e.g., having a 3 technique drop into pass coverage :facepalm:) = tons of big plays for opposing offenses.

 

I was amazed by how often guys were blowing assignments.  And these were smart kids VanGorder was working with.  One of his Safeties at ND was a 5-star recruit with nearly a 4.0 at ND.  And that kid said the defense was difficult and that it took years to learn.

 

Prior to arriving at Notre Dame, where was Brian VanGorder?

 

He was a LB coach with the New York Jets, under Rex Ryan.

 

(Too Long; Didn't Read Version: I have seen firsthand how Rex Ryan's complicated, "attacking" 3-4 can absolutely wreck a defense because of what it asks of its players.  I would much rather the Colts play a 4-2-5, if anything, as that seems to be a trend that is catching on in the pass-happy NFL.)

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5 hours ago, Happy2BeHere said:

Another one of these nonsense threads...gotta leave my mark 

 

Hey, if the guy wants to hire him, let him...   oh, did he mean for the Colts?   Well, it makes sense if you figure he can turn around a great defense in Buffalo, why can't he do the inverse here?  

 

That's logical, right?

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7 hours ago, Bluefire4 said:

Who says no? I says no.

me!  Rex Ryan has destroyed every franchise he's worked for, H E DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS NO!!

Besides, I wanna see what Ted can do with some actual talent.  The fact we were in most games until the D got gassed and we had to run our 3rd stringers speaks volumes to me, yes we sucked on paper, but I saw some things I liked.   That and with multiple players from the Ravens raving about how well he is at coaching, Im cool with giving him another year, hopefully with some heavy and new reinforcements.

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I'll pass on Ryan.  Too much of a personality for me.  

 

Besides we've not given our defensive coordinator's a chance because they've been hamstrung with terrible players and no pass rush.

 

Let's spend the draft and most of free agency on the defense.  Bring all these guys in and see if the DC can get them to mesh and play well.

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8 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Let's pass on Rex and move on......

 

First,  being a DC is his strength,  but he inherited a great defense in Buffalo (I think it was top-5) and they turned it into a bottom 10 ranked defense.    Very poor.       No one knows why,  but that's on Rex.

 

Second,  the Colts are not a big personality team.    They like quiet, low key guys....   that doesn't sound like Rex. 

 

Third....    I'm not sure Rex is an Indiana kind of guy....    he seems more Big City.     I know, Buffalo doesn't fit that description,   but it gave him a chance to be a head coach and in a division where he could go against the Jets, Dophins and Patriots twice a year.     So, you move to Buffalo.     

 

It just seems like a bad fit all the way around.....

 

 

I believe he tried to turn their 4-3 to a 3-4. 

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51 minutes ago, csmopar said:

me!  Rex Ryan has destroyed every franchise he's worked for, H E DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS NO!!

Besides, I wanna see what Ted can do with some actual talent.  The fact we were in most games until the D got gassed and we had to run our 3rd stringers speaks volumes to me, yes we sucked on paper, but I saw some things I liked.   That and with multiple players from the Ravens raving about how well he is at coaching, Im cool with giving him another year, hopefully with some heavy and new reinforcements.

Players loving you and even player development won't substitute for game plan thinking.  

 

The latter was largely absent this year, at least in efficacy, so let's hope Ted is indeed a thinker when given better players.

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9 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Let's pass on Rex and move on......

 

First,  being a DC is his strength,  but he inherited a great defense in Buffalo (I think it was top-5) and they turned it into a bottom 10 ranked defense.    Very poor.       No one knows why,  but that's on Rex.

 

Second,  the Colts are not a big personality team.    They like quiet, low key guys....   that doesn't sound like Rex. 

 

Third....    I'm not sure Rex is an Indiana kind of guy....    he seems more Big City.     I know, Buffalo doesn't fit that description,   but it gave him a chance to be a head coach and in a division where he could go against the Jets, Dophins and Patriots twice a year.     So, you move to Buffalo.     

 

It just seems like a bad fit all the way around.....

 

 

This^ is pretty much verbatim what I came in here to say................................................No thank you.....

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51 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

I think people may be overthinking this just a tad. Baltimore's defense never ranked lower than 6th in the NFL during his 9 year tenure there. Raise your hand if you'd like a top 5 defense?

Will Ozzie Newsome be picking the talent??

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7 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Will Ozzie Newsome be picking the talent??

Indeed once in a generation talent like Ed Reed, Ngata, Ray Lewis, Suggs, they had some decent corners for a while too. They've always had nice pieces..even the first sb run maybe even better. I just don't think we have the talent that he would be able to utilize. I mean you see what his brother did in NO and Dallas with no talent.

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15 minutes ago, dgambill said:

Indeed once in a generation talent like Ed Reed, Ngata, Ray Lewis, Suggs, they had some decent corners for a while too. They've always had nice pieces..even the first sb run maybe even better. I just don't think we have the talent that he would be able to utilize. I mean you see what his brother did in NO and Dallas with no talent.

And buffalo

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