JPFolks Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Perhaps this is old news to twitter followers etc. but I just heard on NFL Insiders that Grigson is going big in FA. Their responses were that is usually a losing strategy and instead you should supplement your team and fill holes with mid level players instead. So Two Questions: 1. Who are 2-3 "Big" FA's you could see us going after? 2. Do you agree with the NFL Insiders that it is a mistake to sign big name FA's who by default will be significantly overpaid? My answers are: 1. NONE and 2. Yes. Exception: If a significant opportunity on a Safety presents itself or someone like a Houston (or more appropriate Rush Backer if one is available) from KC (which I doubt) perhaps you bring in one or two guys max. We're not getting Suh and shouldn't chase a FA WR or RB in my opinion as I doubt they'd pay off. Your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backshoulderfade Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 If there are big names who fit your scheme then that's all fine. You see a lot of square peg, round hole in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTC Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 I'm afraid. He's failed in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 1. McCourty Houston Pot Roast Iupati & FA WR 2. Yes, you should always build through the draft & sign mid level FA that just contribute. Don't need to blow $$ like it's your last day on earth in FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 @BradWellsNFL: Don't worry. Even though both LaRon Landry and RJF were massive free agent busts, Ryan Grigson still gets to keep his job.Brad Wells' thoughts...... for what they're worth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron11 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 since we have all of that cash we might as well spend it. the only caveat is the deals need to be ones that we can get out of, just like grigs has been doing lately. the right FAs could be excatly what we need to make it to the next level. revis is a big name FA that could help us get there. i know corner is not a priorty or even a need at all really, but it would turn a position of strength into one of dominance. it probably wont happen and if i was going to bet on where he plays next year i would take NE. if he did land here somehow, our secondary would be almost impossible to pass on. maybe more importantly, we NEED to spend on the Dline. there arnt enough draft picks to fix this, with rookies alone. we could stand to bring a FA Oline man as well as draft one. we probably cannot afford to NOT bring in a FA safety and still maybe draft one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krunk Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Maybe Wells is mad because he lost his own job with Stampede Blue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GwinnettColt Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 1. McCourty Houston Pot Roast Iupati & FA WR2. Yes, you should always build through the draft & sign mid level FA that just contribute. Don't need to blow $$ like it's your last day on earth in FA Those would be some nice FA moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COLTS449 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 I have a feeling we will spend big, but again not on Suh. I see Grigs targeting a couple of the following guys... Iupati or Boling, Wisneiski, Parnell, Cedric Thornton or Fairley, Dan Williams or Knighton, McPhee or Hali (hopefully) if he's cut, and Rahim "the dream" Moore or McCourty, Also, I'm going to be the first to call it, I wont be surprised if Grigs goes after Demarco Murray. I hope he doesn't, but it wouldn't surprise me. I cant wait for free agency. You know, being all excited and hitting refresh every 30seconds, LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewColtsFan Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Grigson going BIG in FA is about the worst kept secret around. This very website has been seeing this coming for some time. Once he officially pulled the trigger on Landry and RJF then it became little more than a Captain Obvious moment. The questions ISN'T how much he'll spend. He'll spend plenty. The questions are WHO will Grigson buy and HOW MUCH will he spend? He might not buy a single expensive players (read: $8Mill +) But that doesn't mean he won't spend plenty. Or.... He might only buy 4 guys, but maybe they'll be big time, big name guys that have been thrown around here? Iupati, Knighton, McCourtey, Murray. The reason those "Insiders" say Grigson shouldn't go big as that history has shown that spending big on FA more often than not DOESN'T pay off. The great players do NOT give you enough bang for your bucks. Maybe Grigson is under marching orders from Irsay.... come back with big names.... Who knows? But it will be fascinating to watch.... and we'll know in about two weeks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Pretty sure this "Insider" information is just conjecture, which many on this board made based on Grigson's combine comments and the fact that we have a good amount of cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityIsLuck Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 3 of: OL, DL, OLB, DB I don't think it's a great strategy to just go out and spend, but with that being said one or two big names can be all the difference for a team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 2: NoFact is, free agency works if done correctly....unless you ignore the successes and just bring up albert Haynesworth every time the subject is brought up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckColt Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Maybe it is time to go get the 2 or 3 TOP FAs.We sure haven't got much from the Grigson strategy of the last 2 years...overpay for 5-7 average-ish players who grossly under-perform their 'comfortable' contracts, playing the games to 'not get hurt' instead of making a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockThatBlue Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I think he will get 2 or 3 big names myself. Just a prediction though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash7 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 This past off-season we saw an arms race between NE and Denver. Both teams have great QBs and therefor, gambling in Free Agency wasn't as much of a gamble. Both NE and Denver saw improvements and were #1 and #2 in the playoffs. (Of course Manning got injured during the playoffs, but a case can be made that the off-season additions made a positive impact). We saw what happened for NE. Historically, teams that have gone big in FA have not had great QBs. (Eagles dream team). I think with Luck, we should pursue some big-time Free Agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynjin Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I'm afriad. He's failed in the past.He's also had some success. Even when he has "failed" it has not cost the Colts much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababooey Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Gimme Suh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhorse Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Overspending is OK if it is a big time NT who is a cab ride to go around....or a pass rusher at or near prime. LT maybe, but we are fine there. CB....not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COLTS449 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I don't see us getting Suh, but can you imagine Signing Suh, then drafting Jordan Phillips??? Think of that D-line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1959Colts Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Jason Worilds or Brandon Graham would help our pass rush, but both are going to bring huge money.Rumors of 10 mil for Worilds and 8 mil for Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peytonmanning18 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I don't see us signing any huge names, I expect this to be like the 2013 free agency period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyagent17 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Grigs has already shown he is not Bill Polian. So of course he is going to go big in free agency just like he has done the last few years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 He's also had some success. Even when he has "failed" it has not cost the Colts much. Yeah, I don't really understand the measure against which you'd say Grigson failed in FA. Every team that signs FAs has some bad deals and players that don't get it done. But most of them are stuck in huge contracts and blew a ton of cap space. People are huffy about $5.5m for RJF or $6m for Landry, imagine $7m for Ellerbe or $7.8m for Levitre (both of whom were popular targets around here two years ago). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Yeah, I don't really understand the measure against which you'd say Grigson failed in FA. Every team that signs FAs has some bad deals and players that don't get it done. But most of them are stuck in huge contracts and blew a ton of cap space. People are huffy about $5.5m for RJF or $6m for Landry, imagine $7m for Ellerbe or $7.8m for Levitre (both of whom were popular targets around here two years ago).Imagine making a one year wonder RT with a degenerative knee injury the highest paid player ever at his position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurphy1 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I guess after years of polian we just aren't used to spending much of anything in FA and therefore not being used to FA not working out after spending a few mil on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewColtsFan Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Grigs has already shown he is not Bill Polian. So of course he is going to go big in free agency just like he has done the last few years People are complaining that Grigson hasn't gone Big Enough. They complain that he has overspent for average players. They'd prefer he over spend for popular big name players. Of course the real bottom line is this: Fans complain simply based on whether it was a good deal or not. Doesn't matter if the player was a big name or an average name. If the player performs well, then it's a good deal. And if not, then it's a bad deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewColtsFan Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Imagine making a one year wonder RT with a degenerative knee injury the highest paid player ever at his position. It's my understanding that most of Cherilus' problems this year were his shoulder and not his knee. It's the injury his season ended on. And before Grigson can sign a guy, his knee has to get cleared by team doctors. No clearance, no contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Imagine making a one year wonder RT with a degenerative knee injury the highest paid player ever at his position. Free agent deals are hit and miss. The players are almost all flawed, usually with injury history. These players were not great, but they filled the gaps. Even Cherilus' contract was more team friendly than Levitre's, if not for the 50% Down error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Colt Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 We haven't really spent big on FA. We haven't landed marquee guys in a good while. I don't want anything crazy. Give me Mccourty and Wisniewski the center from Oakland to anchor our line and protect Luck better and make the calls for the line and I'll be happy. Suh is a pipe dream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BProland85 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Jason Worilds or Brandon Graham would help our pass rush, but both are going to bring huge money.Rumors of 10 mil for Worilds and 8 mil for GrahamWHAT?? What has either player done to warrant that kind of money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HtownColt Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Suh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theanarchist Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 He's going to spend big on: Luck, Fleener, Allen, Costanzo and TY Hilton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theanarchist Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Free agent deals are hit and miss. The players are almost all flawed, usually with injury history. These players were not great, but they filled the gaps. Even Cherilus' contract was more team friendly than Levitre's, if not for the 50% Down error.Overall I think Grigson has done a good job in FA. He's swung and missed on a few but he structured the contracts in a way that it didn't cost a lot to get rid of these guys. He's had a few guys pan out. Overall Grigson has done pretty decent with draft, FA, contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKColt13 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I can see him making a play for at least 1 difference maker on both lines. Iupati and Knighton fit that bill. Possibly Tamba Hali, Wisniewski as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazycolt1 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I'm afriad. He's failed in the past. Failed in the past? At least you could give an example. Do you really think that all GMs hit home runs with every player signed? Grigson has hit more than missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazycolt1 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 @BradWellsNFL: Don't worry. Even though both LaRon Landry and RJF were massive free agent busts, Ryan Grigson still gets to keep his job.Brad Wells' thoughts...... for what they're worthGrigson was never in jeopardy of losing his job. Landry and RJF might have not done as well as expected but to say Grigsons might be facing being fired is silly at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazycolt1 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Overall I think Grigson has done a good job in FA. He's swung and missed on a few but he structured the contracts in a way that it didn't cost a lot to get rid of these guys. He's had a few guys pan out. Overall Grigson has done pretty decent with draft, FA, contracts.Please, that don't fit into the consensus that Grigson don't know what he is doing. It is a well known fact that most think they can sit at their computers and do a better job. After all, great players grow on trees and all you have to do is pick one or two off. There's nothing to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amfootball Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 This past off-season we saw an arms race between NE and Denver. Both teams have great QBs and therefor, gambling in Free Agency wasn't as much of a gamble. Both NE and Denver saw improvements and were #1 and #2 in the playoffs. (Of course Manning got injured during the playoffs, but a case can be made that the off-season additions made a positive impact). We saw what happened for NE. Historically, teams that have gone big in FA have not had great QBs. (Eagles dream team). I think with Luck, we should pursue some big-time Free Agents.To your point, if the Colts want to get closer to the top two teams in the AFC then they have to add some muscle. As with everything, it is not what you spend but who you add and the value they bring to your team and locker room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 To your point, if the Colts want to get closer to the top two teams in the AFC then they have to add some muscle. As with everything, it is not what you spend but who you add and the value they bring to your team and locker room.*Hands You Glass of Apple Juice**Italian Accent* Am darling, walk with me, talk with me.... much to discuss about you being ever so kind and getting Mr. McCourty to come to indy for a reasonable price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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