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  1. I agree, I would be fine with Osweiler for a year AND Walker/Kelly at the same time. Our 53rd player is usually never suited up.. having options all season at QB seems a better use of spot 53.
  2. Chad has been playing against 3rd and 4th team players mostly. Even in the Chicago game it was 2nd team and lower. We haven't seen him play #1 talent. I hope we don't get a chance because Jacoby plays so well. Leaders don't let "Denver" happen. We have leaders on Offense across the line, TE'S and Hilton. Maybe that would be enough.. I agree he looked the best during PreSeason, just no apples to apples comparisons talent wise. SD was going to be a longshot to win with Luck. Any idea our hopes now? I am more concerned week 2 against TN. That will be key.
  3. Here's an article about Brissett that some might have missed: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001044263/article/jacoby-brissett-set-up-to-succeed-after-andrew-lucks-retirement?icampaign=trendingNews
  4. That's because from about 10 on down there is very little difference. I don't see him as worse than 10 other starting QB's. And I see very little difference outside of team personnel and coaching past the top half. Do you think there's much difference? Since some are challenging me to name even 1 worse starting QB, I will ask you, do you think we are getting the #1 pick next year? I don't think we'll be anywhere near it. With a completely dysfunctional team/coach/gm and zero prep Jacoby still finished above 2 other teams. Luck was top 3, the drop off after about 8 is tremendous.. after 15 is enormous and I see little to no difference between his talent and bottom half QBs. I only see differences in the other team personnel and coaching/GMs. Guess we'll soon see. I only saw Luck winning 9-10 games with this schedule (as did Vegas). So if Jacoby can keep us from losing 11 games he's met or exceeded expectations by the league. I think he can keep us around .500, not more than 2 games off of Luck. Our schedule was easy last year and we won 10. This year our division has the toughest road. If he could win 8 I think that would be impressive. 9 could win us the division or wildcard if the AFC South beat each other up. 10 would be like Luck played. 6+ would beat Vegas expectations. Now more than ever this is a team record, not a top tier QB achievement.
  5. But's and if's... does it matter anymore? Luck seems to have gotten hurt doing something other than football this time around for sure. We know 100% that no one on the Colts caused it. There is plenty of reason to speculate if the shoulder was football related as well. In which case this is all solely on Luck. Additionally, people keep saying "he had a kidney laceration that he played through" but that isn't the story. Sure, he got hit and it got lacerated. I have had a kidney laceration as well. Guess what? It doesn't hurt. Yes, it is dangerous and damaged and had to heal, but he finished the game unaware until later it was damaged. Every player in the NFL that plays is playing hurt after game one. By the end of the season they are often very banged up and in pain game after game. College players experience the same things. So it isn't unusual that he played through it. The O Line sucked like about half of them do. This is an obvious league wide problem. Kids in college don't often play pro style against top tier opponents so they either dominate their opponents easily 8 of 11 games, or the schemes are such that they don't have to maintain blocks as long so they never learn how to play properly. If they played against top talent 90% of the time like the NFL, they'd learn. And if they had to practice twice as much and twice as long as they once did, at least early in their career, they'd be more prepared. But they keep negotiating less practice and now teams like the Rams barely practice at all. But Luck is a memory and Brissett is the now. If he sucks, bringing in guys like Osweiler, who have their own issues, is the best we can do because let's face facts.. Luck screwed everyone waiting til now, fans, team, coaches, GM etc. So we take what we can get, be glad our back up isn't much much worse as in past years, and see if the rest of the team can come through. I'd be happy with a competitive team that is in games all season. A winning record would be wonderful. Sniffing or getting in the playoffs is a lot to expect but if Brissett exceeds expectations, we may yet have something to look forward to on Sundays around here. If not, the Pacers start in October. Miami... you asked for one, I gave you one.
  6. I don't get why people aren't excited that we "lucked out" (great pun for this) having Jacoby on the Roster because it is likely he would have/will get signed as a starter by another team next year. We already have him, have a history and a whole year audition with a playoff caliber team. If he gets us in or even close to the playoffs with this schedule, he's our guy. And THAT would be a great result from a terrible situation. Sure, we need a better back up for 2 games.. I think Osweiler would be perfect. I would even keep BOTH on the roster as long as possible to see them compare to each other. One might be our long term back up and imagine if Jacoby could help us to a winning season and we also had another top tier backup? Brissett is getting massive short shrift by media and fans alike. I am on vacation in Wisconsin and I've worn a Colts cap and had over a dozen people stop me to talk about Luck and 100% of them followed the question with "Brissett just isn't good enough to fill in" to which I said, "we are so lucky to have a top tier back up already in house, it could be so much worse and it might be surprisingly good in the end." I think the only place Jacoby might not be up to muster is processing speed of trouble spots. Luck was a great improviser and Jacoby seems fairly vanilla. But if the right plays are called, the right preparation is done, he can physically match :Luck. His arm is slightly stronger and he's big and tough and healthy. He may not be as quick, but we don't want him running anyway unless it is wide open. Hopefully he learned last year from Luck to get down and get rid of the ball, something it took Luck sitting out a season to learn. I think things could be so much worse. I figure Brissett is in the 15-22 range of QB's in the league. If Ballard and Reich have built the way they say they are building, that might be enough to win. The Colts only win with strong defense and a run game, whether it was Manning or Harbaugh or Luck (which is why Luck's era had no real chance of making it all the way until this year). Which would shock you more? We finish 5-11 this year or we play in and win a playoff game? I'd be more shocked if we lost 11 games. And if Brissett pulled that off, he's held up to Luck's productivity for any given season but one. And if he keeps his INTs down, his likely smaller TD rate won't harm us as much.
  7. Well, apparently Irsay disagrees with you, but then you're JVan and he'a a nobody. I don't see Crocket or the defenders on the ring.. how could Irsay be so clueless you say?
  8. I agree... no point in ever saying his name again... he is elsewhere doing other things he'd rather do in life. I do feel bad for all those kids (and anyone else frankly) who got stuck with useless #12/Luck jerseys. I wonder if they will buy all that stuff back like the long snapper offered to buy season tickets back? I am guessing... not so much.
  9. Rather than admit your mistake, you deflect. That's a weak move. But alas... The point is that Luck collapsed in the playoffs all 4 times having poor games. Harbaugh playing very hurt got us a single play in the endzone from the Super Bowl Luck never got remotely close. Harbaugh had a weaker team and Faulk, their best player was out. Luck had Hilton and some other solid players during his run compared to that team. Harbaugh did not quit on the team but rather played through his serious injury and tried to get the Colts to the Super Bowl, then he was sent packing to Baltimore. He clearly deserved a spot on the ring. If Luck had at least retired after the season pre-Free Agency and draft, that would have given the team a shot at a QB this year and/or at least prepped them better to be ready to move on. Luck's accomplishments were solid, no question, but there have been a LOT of excellent position players over the years who will never get a whiff of the ring. I think well after Hilton and Vinateri are up there and perhaps Constanzo if he has a few more productive seasons, then it makes sense to consider him. But who else is on a ring of honor that retired in their 20's without ever being All Pro, MVP or playing in a Super Bowl or championship? Aside from someone who died early etc. I can only think of a tiny number of players from the modern era who might fit that, and they may have been more decorated in their careers. But make no mistake, he WILL be in the ring.. that is 100% assured. Whether he deserves to be among the HOFers and ALL Time Colts, that another issue. He had 4 good seasons as a Colt. He led the league in TD passes one time and made the Pro-Bowl 4 times. There are a lot of guys in the Colts history who had really good runs during 4 years at their position. They won't get in, but Luck will because of his name and peoples infatuation with recency and popularity.
  10. Read much? LUCK got beat by KC, the RAVENS and the PATRIOTS. I stopped reading after that since you're not even aware of what you are replying to.
  11. Yup.. a tipped ball away from being the greatest play in teams history. Or, a blown refs call. Plus, the Colts played KC at home and should have won that game. Those Colts probably shouldn't have made the playoffs, certainly didn't have anyone on the team close to Luck or Hilton or any of the other good players the Colts had in the KC game. So Luck brought back a favored team that was clearly under performing in that game. Definitely impressive to bring it back to where it should have been in the first place. Those 95 Colts were more impressive as a team in my view. And they never got blown out by the Patriots or shut down by Baltimore or KC like Luck did each time. Is Luck worthy for the Ring of Honor? Jury is out. His only "achievement" was bring a bad team to the playoffs. 3 times. Now he's bailed out and we'll always wonder what if. Harbaugh played seriously hurt in that game. Luck didn't want to play on a hurt ankle any longer. Tough call.
  12. It was not nothing as you seem to imply by this dismissal. https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2016/01/21/1995-indianapolis-colts-jim-harbaugh-aaron-bailey-afc-championship-game-ted-marchibroda/78291676/
  13. Myles, I think it really depends on Oladipo. How soon and how good is he when he comes back., If he's the old Victor, I think they could challenge for 3-5th. If he's just not the same, we'll be 6-8th and likely out in Round 1 again. And with little cap space going forward, it will be tough to do better than 4th-8th if the current team can't crack the top 3. On the other hand, if Vic comes back in December and plays well, we'll have the best defensive backcourt in the league. It might all come down to if Sabonis can defend a Power Forward out to the line and coexist effectually on Offense. They pretty much have to switch on O and D. Sabonis plays the 4 on Defense and the 5 on Offense and vice versa. To be honest, I am now way more excited about the Pacers than the Colts now.
  14. I never argued that.. and yet he clearly took a super mediocre team and got us a jump ball from the Super Bowl. Luck had a series of collapses in each playoff ending game. The Pats blew us out each time we played. Don't you remember "Captain Comeback" and his heroics? They rivaled Luck's KC playoff comeback. You might be too young?
  15. I can't say the talent around Harbaugh was better than around Luck, can you? Harbaugh rose up in those playoffs and we really should have won that game if not for Ref nonsense. And even having to play against the Steelers and the Refs, we still had a jump ball to go to the Super Bowl. Luck was never remotely competitive against New England nor any other team that knocked us out of the playoffs. I just think Harbaugh's heroics earned him a place on the ring, and I think it was Manning that caused Harbaugh to be jettisoned wasn't it? Hard to recall. I think the more questionable name is Marshall Faulk, Sure, he was a HOFer but only played 4 meaningless seasons for us and we didn't resign him. That felt more like boosting Colts cred by listing him there than the other way around.
  16. Well, we got royally screwed by refs all game that day. We SHOULD have made the Super Bowl. I was bummed at the time that they sent Harbaugh packing to Chicago I think. (Not sure, been a few years).
  17. Harbaugh got us a play away from a Super Bowl... Luck never did that.
  18. So, since nothing of interest is going on in football, who is excited to see the Pacers with their new lineup this year? Bueller? Bueller?
  19. I suspect, knowing Ballard to date, he is a guy who knew all about all the candidates including Reich, but I think @Valpo2004 did a good job breaking it down.
  20. I was just going off the guys draft night and afterwards saying Okafor is a back up option only and they want to upgrade C during free agency. I want nothing to do with Lonzo, but I am not sure who else other than Rubio or an outside shot at Russell likely for a max deal if he would even come here. I just don't like thinking about Rubio being here either. He's not young so he's not getting better. For that matter I'd rather they just resigned Collison, at least he rarely turned the ball over and on any given night he could step up with 20 points and he led the league in 3% two years ago. Not idea but better the "devil we know" than Rubio. I wanted Collison as the backup point to run it Sabonis for a powerful bench duo. I think Collison would thrive in that spot, but we don't have a better option than him to start, so there's that. He's neither a pass first guy like Pritchard said he wanted nor a shooter either way. He's kind of in the middle. If only he had Cory's D we could just stick with him. And Cory is NO starting PG. He proved that last year.
  21. To answer your last question, I think they are hoping Myles steps up. He'll either prove himself or end himself.... himself. Because I doubt any of our FAs come back outside or Bogdanovich, and that is only if we can at least be close to his best offer. He said he would come back if we were at least close to his best offer. But someone else will offer him the max or close to it. If we sign him at max, we are essentially out of money. I can't see the Pacers doing that. Even if we get to 80% of max, I am not sure the Pacers do it. We won't even be what we were last year without all the leadership present. But.. if Myles could step up to a 20+ scorer and let's say 8 rebounds and 3.5 blocks, and be a leader, then it might work out for him and for the Pacers. It might be too big of an ask, but he WAS co-captain after all, unless it was nonsense, some of his fellow players must have wanted that. As for Sabonis, it is my understand he is a FA next season, but perhaps it is restricted, I didn't think it was, but that would be a good thing if he was tied to us in some way. But we are not going to offer a giant payday. Next year I am unsure of who becomes a FA, perhaps you know or someone else does? He might be a high profile FA. I still think they might trade him, especially if it looks like our team isn't going anywhere this season which seems more and more likely by the day. If we trade him for a higher profile player (I asked about trading him for Lonzo Ball, I am not sure I would WANT that, but I could see some version of that happening. I am not a Lonzo fan, but he has made it clear through his father that he doesn't want to be in New Orleans, currently the smallest market in the league (we are 26th, not much better). But Pritchard DID say he wanted a pass first PG. No one fits that description more than Lonzo Ball. I just can't see him resigning with us if we got him somehow. But New Orleans desperately needs a solid young big man and I could see some type of a trade happening, if not with us, with someone else and Lonzo Ball if he really doesn't want to be there. I am not sure what other team needs a big or what we might get from them. We desperately need a serious Point Guard and a better off ball guard option to start while Victor is out. Anyone have any names to banter about for these other than Rubio?
  22. I think it is likely Sabonis is going to be traded. Maybe it will be Turner. Either way I doubt both are on the team past this season no matter what happens. So in a year, hopefully Goga will be ready to be the full time backup C to whoever we keep at that position. I think they are still hoping Turner will finally start scoring which I think is just a matter of shooting more often. He can hit 3s, mid range is also solid. But unless he gets some willpower, he's not going to be a rebounder. There is no excuse outside of that to explain his problem.
  23. So you think they ARE championship level or you can't read?
  24. yeah, it is hard to understand how he's so terrible at rebounding outside of him just not wanting it. When Sabonis is out there he does all the things a traditional Center used to do except block shots. He's got technique, and willpower, just not the needed athleticism. Turner I believe has the athleticism and even skill taught to him, but just no willpower. He can shoot well, he just chooses not to. Rebounding is almost entirely willpower. Sad. I have been on the support side of Turner but he's running out of excuses that his fans can make on his behalf. He could be a difference maker rather than a placeholder.
  25. I hope they have a better master plan than Ricky Rubio. If our starters include TJ Warren, Ricky Rubio, Myles Turner, a back up scoring guard who doesn't even exist yet, and either Sabonis at the 4 or a replacement like Harris, we will be fighting just to make the playoffs and will likely get swept out even if we do make it. That is not a winning team. That is a team that will have to over play yet again just to sniff .500, especially with Vic out at least the first part of the season in the best case scenario. I was disappointed like some others because they had Carsen Edwards, a low risk/high reward rookie, sitting there which could have been the answer at backup guard alongside Holiday for a super dynamic pair of guards that could also battle for more playing time along with Sumner with hopes one of them (more likely a combination of 2 or all 3 of them) starting the games that Vic will miss. One of those 3 guys would likely pop enough to play alongside Oladipo in the long term and the others being solid back up rotational guys. Perhaps they already think Holiday or Sumner can step up to fill Oladipo's shoes until he comes back in Dec/Jan. We don't even know if Oladipo will return anywhere near his former self. Now we're stuck with Warren and McDermott, two guys who can shoot when it means nothing, but have proven absolutely nothing when it matters. (Well, in my opinion, McDermott proved he can't hack it, can't play defense at all and all reports are that Warren doesn't play defense, shows no will to win and hasn't won anything on the worst team in the league where it is easy to put up 18 when your team is losing by 25. It's like garbage time stats in football all season for anyone on Phoenix's team. Fools gold. It seemed clear we're losing all 4 guys. At best we might be able to bring one back, but it won't be Bogdanovich, I figure he'll go to LA if they don't land a bigger name. He's likely a max player now and we can't sign one because of this Warren deal. I thought Pritchard looked good pre-season last year but all three of his free agents stunk up the place. Unless we can dump him, McDermott is stuck here this year. If they could clear his money somehow perhaps we could offer a max deal but it seems clear we're not getting a big name here. If we do sign Rubio, we're nearly out of money and we have what left? Money for an aging Thad? I like Sabonis as the 6th man. I think he excels there. He is the #1 reason we over competed all season because he elevated the bench above and beyond their individual abilities (likewise he significantly underwhelmed as a starter). If we could keep him happy in that role, then we have something. But how do we win games with Thad who plays like a WARRIOR with the talent he has, but his talent plus his age isn't enough. Perhaps we could squeeze a year out, but he doesn't SCORE enough. Turner sadly has all the skill but gets little out of it. He should be a 25/12 with 4 blocks a night guy. He gets the blocks sure, but his scoring is embarrassing with all that talent. He can hit threes, but he's afraid to take them enough to impact the scoreboard. This isn't the 80's we don't need a more agile Hibbert. He led the league in blocks but didn't seem to sniff All NBA Defense? I think I heard how rare it is for the league leading shot blocker to not get on the first or second team all Defense. Even with the overall tenacious defense the Pacers played as a team, he got no credit for it. Based on what this reality looks like: PG: ---------*, Sumner SG: Oladipo, Holiday SF: Warren, McDermott PF: Sabonis**, Leaf, Alize C: Turner, New Guy (sorry, still learning his name) *Ricky Rubio? DeAngelo Russell? **I just think he either needs to be traded or he has to be our 6th man/backup C to run the 2nd team and play as needed minutes with Turner if they can figure something out. (You know who desperately needs a C? New Orleans. Would you guys take Lonzo Ball for Sabonis?) If we sign Rubio, we have money for what exactly? A midlevel guy floating around? On the positive side, I actually thought Leaf really hustled. He's slow, but in some respects he had the tenacity that Turner is devoid of. And Alize was a monster in G league and he might be a surprise this season if he gets a fair shot at all. Holiday is a hustler and Sumner is likely a capable back up Guard as well. But are either starters? Not yet and not likely, at least not for a championship level team. Our new guy looks like a legitimate back up C in today's league. He needs to develop a shot, but I think he'll get those minutes that Pritchard and his staff seem to have already committed to. That's the most positive spin I can put on it. In this depressing new lineup we're getting smoked out of the playoffs and that is if we even compete for them. I could see us having an historically bad season if they can't get these guys playing out of their minds like they have the past 2 years. We had dedicated veteran guys and these kids are super raw as a group. Adding another guard already pushing 30 along with Oladipo also aging and injured and I just don't see us as any threat of any kind to anyone past the regular season. If you ADDED a full blown Star superior to Rubio, maybe it's better. Beal would be excellent but he won't be affordable or made available for what we could trade I don't think. Russell is my best hope in this spot. His name has bounced around the Pacers in rumors, but it could be absolutely nothing. But if Kyrie is going to Brooklyn, he might end up in Los Angeles. It might be the case that Rubio is simply the only guys available. And that is for a reason, and it is not a good one. Ending on a hopeful note, Pritchard did strongly suggest he amassed some picks to help with a trade. Russell is a FA as is Rubio, so who could he be trading for? Beal? There's always hope this time of the year.
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