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So a friend and I were discussing if the colts got the first pick, would they draft Sam Darnold and trade luck or do they trade back with a qb hungry team like the 49ers or jets and get bounty of draft picks. Thoughts?

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I'd take the troubled kid Mayfield. He can be changed.  Colts better plan on taking a QB.  I think Luck has already played his last game.  He's too broken, and too smart to continue.  He has all the money he needs.  Sorry, Indy.

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1 minute ago, Mister P said:

I'd take the troubled kid Mayfield. He can be changed.  Colts better plan on taking a QB.  I think Luck has already played his last game.  He's too broken, and too smart to continue.  He has all the money he needs.  Sorry, Indy.

 

I cant tell if your "trolling" or being serious.

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Even though Darnold looks like he will be a good Qb but that is not for sure. If that was to happen, I'm keeping Luck all day and use the draft picks to build a team around luck. Plus, Luck is only 28 and is barely entering his prime. In my eyes Luck is a generationall talent with no help.

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3 minutes ago, Mister P said:

I'd take the troubled kid Mayfield. He can be changed.  Colts better plan on taking a QB.  I think Luck has already played his last game.  He's too broken, and too smart to continue.  He has all the money he needs.  Sorry, Indy.

 

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If we get the first pick, trade down for three 1st rounders, Darnold will get that. You'll still probably have a top 10 pick this year as well. Take a pass rusher, CB, and O-Lineman early and build around them. An RB would be nice as well since Gore will likely be gone.

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18 minutes ago, Mister P said:

I'd take the troubled kid Mayfield. He can be changed.  Colts better plan on taking a QB.  I think Luck has already played his last game.  He's too broken, and too smart to continue.  He has all the money he needs.  Sorry, Indy.

 

Lol. If that's the case why didn't Luck retire already? And why is he continuing to bust his butt rehabbing and throwing? Just to fleece the Colts out of another year's salary? C'mon man. And on top of that you plan to build around Johnny Manziel 2.0?

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2 minutes ago, Boiler_Colt said:

 

Lol. If that's the case why didn't Luck retire already? And why is he continuing to bust his but rehabbing and throwing? Just to fleece the Colts out of another year's salary? C'mon man. And on top of that you plan to build around Johnny Manziel 2.0?

Are you high like 

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The only thing that raises an eyebrow about all of this Luck chatter going to other teams

is that he hasn't publicly denounced any of it. I'm not totally sure where there is smoke

there isn't fire at this point.

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27 minutes ago, Mister P said:

I'd take the troubled kid Mayfield. He can be changed.  Colts better plan on taking a QB.  I think Luck has already played his last game.  He's too broken, and too smart to continue.  He has all the money he needs.  Sorry, Indy.

sir, you are NOT supposed to drink the bong water.

32 minutes ago, CR91 said:

So a friend and I were discussing if the colts got the first pick, would they draft Sam Darnold and trade luck or do they trade back with a qb hungry team like the 49ers or jets and get bounty of draft picks. Thoughts?

trade back and get a bounty

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As it stands right now , if Luck is not a Colt in 2018 , the Colts will be hit with 22 million in cap space. So those that say take a QB . please factor that in. 

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5 minutes ago, dodsworth said:

The only thing that raises an eyebrow about all of this Luck chatter going to other teams

is that he hasn't publicly denounced any of it. I'm not totally sure where there is smoke

there isn't fire at this point.

He can't go anywhere unless Irsay wants him too.  He's under contract until 2021, and then 2 franchise tags are available after that.  He can sit out or retire but it'll do him little good.  I dont see him pulling an Elway by any means.  and i dont see any team being able to trade anything to the value of Luck or the cap penalty we'd incurr to trade him.

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29 minutes ago, bravo4460 said:

Trading back for "bounty of draft picks" would be the best case scenario for the Colts.

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Trade please. If we somehow end up with a top 3 pick I'd trade back to about 1 and grab some more 1s and 2s. Best case scenario going forward

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1 hour ago, Mister P said:

I'd take the troubled kid Mayfield. He can be changed.  Colts better plan on taking a QB.  I think Luck has already played his last game.  He's too broken, and too smart to continue.  He has all the money he needs.  Sorry, Indy.

So, a lacerated kidney & torn labrum is broken to you? That's just crazy. You essentially want to start over at the QB position? Luck did get us to the Deflate Game not that long ago correct? 

1 hour ago, Mister P said:

I'm being serous.  I;m too old to troll.

Sir, are you okay? We all have brain farts or delusions of grandeur ever now & then even me. I'll just chalk it up to you're having a bad day. You can't possibly believe discarding Chewbacca will improve INDY's regular season fortunes. Come on now. I didn't just fall off a turnip truck. More like a Twinkies truck if I'm being honest. :P 

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1 hour ago, dodsworth said:

The only thing that raises an eyebrow about all of this Luck chatter going to other teams

is that he hasn't publicly denounced any of it. I'm not totally sure where there is smoke

there isn't fire at this point.

His agent denounced the notion and rumors. Everything has been fan based with no legitiment reporter saying it

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its too soon to say

 

the season needs to play out so we have a better idea of players draft stock

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1 hour ago, southwest1 said:

So, a lacerated kidney & torn labrum is broken to you? That's just crazy. You essentially want to start over at the QB position? Luck did get us to the Deflate Game not that long ago correct? 

Sir, are you okay? We all have brain farts or delusions of grandeur ever now & then even me. I'll just chalk it up to you're having a bad day. You can't possibly believe discarding Chewbacca will improve INDY's regular season fortunes. Come on now. I didn't just fall off a turnip truck. More like a Twinkies truck if I'm being honest. :P 

I applaud you Southwest1. You were respectful & didn't berate this poster for posting his thoughts & opinion. I wish everyone here were as thoughtful.

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1 hour ago, csmopar said:

He can't go anywhere unless Irsay wants him too.  He's under contract until 2021, and then 2 franchise tags are available after that.  He can sit out or retire but it'll do him little good.  I dont see him pulling an Elway by any means.  and i dont see any team being able to trade anything to the value of Luck or the cap penalty we'd incurr to trade him.

 

1 hour ago, southwest1 said:

So, a lacerated kidney & torn labrum is broken to you? That's just crazy. You essentially want to start over at the QB position? Luck did get us to the Deflate Game not that long ago correct? 

Sir, are you okay? We all have brain farts or delusions of grandeur ever now & then even me. I'll just chalk it up to you're having a bad day. You can't possibly believe discarding Chewbacca will improve INDY's regular season fortunes. Come on now. I didn't just fall off a turnip truck. More like a Twinkies truck if I'm being honest. :P 

 

 Speaking of out of your mind.

 It would be my pleasure to have watched you take all the hits that Lucky has taken and listen to you tell me,

hey, my neck, shoulders, spine, hands, hips, knees, ankles, and feet feel just like they did as a Rookie.

 :lol:     Their is considerable risk going forward with his shoulder staying healthy. Lucky's running has been a HUGE part of his winning percentage. Now what? Will he keep holding on to the ball?

OH, he will change his game and be even better!  uh huh

 Of course moving him is soooooo unlikely it is just us yakking it up, but Long term, with the right draft position/offer, and a seemingly excellent prospect in the cross hairs, moving him is something I WOULD do my due diligence on.

bla bla bla   bla bla  

 

 

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1 hour ago, twfish said:

His agent denounced the notion and rumors. Everything has been fan based with no legitiment reporter saying it

The only reason I brought it up because Florio was talking about it on the Dan Patrick show. People won't let it die.

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You trade back some team will give us future firsts to get a QB we can still get the most elite players on D after a small trade down too

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How about we trade Anthony Castonzo along with a 4th round pick to the Browns for Joe Thomas?

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Unless Andrew Luck retires which I highly doubt you trade back regardless of how you feel about Andrew.  His contract makes him untradeable.

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Trade Luck? I must be reading an article from the twilight zone. We have had the benefit of having Manning for years and now we have Luck ?  Luck will be here for the Ballard rebuild and we all will benefit from Luck being here. This trade talk has to be the most asinine thing I have read in here for a very long time.

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3 hours ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

 

 Speaking of out of your mind.

 It would be my pleasure to have watched you take all the hits that Lucky has taken and listen to you tell me,

hey, my neck, shoulders, spine, hands, hips, knees, ankles, and feet feel just like they did as a Rookie.

 :lol:     Their is considerable risk going forward with his shoulder staying healthy. Lucky's running has been a HUGE part of his winning percentage. Now what? Will he keep holding on to the ball?

OH, he will change his game and be even better!  uh huh

 Of course moving him is soooooo unlikely it is just us yakking it up, but Long term, with the right draft position/offer, and a seemingly excellent prospect in the cross hairs, moving him is something I WOULD do my due diligence on.

bla bla bla   bla bla  

 

 

Not gonna happen

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4 hours ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

 

 Speaking of out of your mind.

 It would be my pleasure to have watched you take all the hits that Lucky has taken and listen to you tell me,

hey, my neck, shoulders, spine, hands, hips, knees, ankles, and feet feel just like they did as a Rookie.

 :lol:     Their is considerable risk going forward with his shoulder staying healthy. Lucky's running has been a HUGE part of his winning percentage. Now what? Will he keep holding on to the ball?

OH, he will change his game and be even better!  uh huh

 Of course moving him is soooooo unlikely it is just us yakking it up, but Long term, with the right draft position/offer, and a seemingly excellent prospect in the cross hairs, moving him is something I WOULD do my due diligence on.

bla bla bla   bla bla  

 

 

Let's dissect this response piece by piece shall we. 

 

Who ever said that Luck is as healthy as his rookie yr in 2012? So, let me get this straight BBZ. You wanna trade away our franchise QB & start over with a new field general simply because surgery might restrict his range of motion moving forward? Did it ever dawn on you that perhaps the reason Luck held onto the ball as long as he does because until this yr our defense has been inadequate to be charitable & the Colts aren't good enough on offense to overcome say more then 1 turnover? Hmmm...

 

Last but not least, starting quarterbacks know what their job description entails. Have crisp center to QB exchanges with the ball, get the ball in the end zone; disguise your handoff motion to mimic your throwing motion; know when to throw the ball away; & when getting sacked try not to fumble the ball & compromise field position. 

 

You make it sound like Luck is Blake Bortles for crying out loud like he's a lost cause & beyond repair. Why give up on Andrew so early & easily BBZ? You sound like my father. When things get difficult or adverse, out come the excuses & truce, throw in the towel flag. Patience my friend. All is not lost. 

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First, they fire Pagano. 

Second, get a new HC - he'll basically decide what he needs. Probably one of Ballard's hand picks.

Third, since we'll end up having the top three picks, trade the pick and pick up a bundle of draft picks and surround Luck with some playmakers, especially on the defense....Contemplating trading luck and get more draft picks, but since Luck is establish NFL QB it probably won't happen.

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Darnold isn't Luck nor are any of these QB's coming out, Luck will be healthy shortly and has Veteran experience. I would trade the pick for multiple picks and build around Luck.

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I'd trade back. What the Browns have been doing might work when you have a franchise QB. We have Luck. If we could trade down from 1 and get extra picks, that'd be ideal. The O- line needs to be rebuilt and we need more playmakers on D.

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If the Colts know that Luck is damaged goods but are not letting on then they should try to trade him for picks.  If they are confident that he will ultimately be fine they should hold on to him and trade their #1 pick to try to acquire more picks and then continue to build the team around him. It is imperative that they add some war daddy type pass rushers to this team either via the draft or free agency.  We need to try to add some proven offensive linemen via free agency to protect 12 or his career here will be shorter than we expect.  We also need to find a bonafide #1 receiver type in the next couple of years because T.Y. Hilton is not that guy.

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8 hours ago, Boiler_Colt said:

 

Lol. If that's the case why didn't Luck retire already? And why is he continuing to bust his butt rehabbing and throwing? Just to fleece the Colts out of another year's salary? C'mon man. And on top of that you plan to build around Johnny Manziel 2.0?

Who is Manzel 2.0 Darnold is not Manzel 2.0 he is a very good QB not better than Luck at this point.But I hope he is smart and stays in school one more year.

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26 minutes ago, jameszeigler834 said:

Who is Manzel 2.0 Darnold is not Manzel 2.0 he is a very good QB not better than Luck at this point.But I hope he is smart and stays in school one more year.

Baker Mayfield was who was mentioned in the post I quoted.

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The last time I recall Luck in a colts jersey he was running off the field celebrating like a kid. How in one offseason  does it go from that to luck wanting out or trade him or him retiring? He got this surgery to benefit himself and this team in the long run he did not get it so he can sit on the couch and eat potato chips. Luck is a Colt and Irsay will keep him here until he retires or is badly hurt basically same situation as Manning.

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