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4 minutes ago, Myles said:

Oh I wouldn't accept the penalty, it just seems odd that you can not accept the penalty on one play but get to use it on another.

i think they used to be able to do that, but it changed when they reworked extra points reworked extra points recently.  

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1 minute ago, aaron11 said:

i think they used to be able to do that, but it changed when they reworked extra points reworked extra points recently.  

On a defensive penalty, you have the option to 

Enforce the penalty on the 15 yard line and re-kick

Enforce the penalty on the 2 yard line and try for a 2pt 

Enforce the penalty on the ensuing kickoff. 

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