SCTTS; less than 60% chance Luck v NE (Merge)

[Coltsman1788]

(Shoulder shrug)  If Luck goes cool...if not...oh well.  I actually think I'd rather have Matt play against the Pats anyway.  Don't need Andrew rushing back on a hurt shoulder (or whatever it is)...all rusty and throwing picks all over the field.  Let Luck rest up another week...Matt's got it.  Most see this game as a L anyway...so what do we have to lose giving Matt a shot against N.E. 

[SteelDragon]

I would rather Hass play this one for our psyche any way, although I hope Luck gets better. That way, if we get thrashed, we can say, "yeah, but no Andrew..."

[GoColts8818]

I wouldn't be so dismissive if Luck doesn't go. That would mean he's "rested" the shoulder for 21 days but it's not better. That's not a none serious shoulder that's a series injury that is healing that the Colts have lied to us about but I don't think that's shocking as the Colts have pretty much lied about this from the start.

[indy1888]

Larry, sorry that you take issue with my wording. I can see where some would have an issue but most get it. My source was not Brad Wells who has no sources. It was Mike Wells and I guess I should have specified. Mike has sources. Somethings not quite right with Luck.

 

Bob Holtzman from ESPN also said the same thing Thursday night after the game, to go along with Wells.  In fact, there was a thread on here Thursday night about it and it apparently was deleted for some reason.

[RockThatBlue]

Take it for what its worth. But Mike Wells says he has a source telling him this...

"And now they're looking forward to, hoping, that Andre [Johnson] will continue to play well and carry forward, because Indianapolis has a huge game coming up next week. The New England Patriots at Lucas Oil Stadium, and Andrew Luck will hopefully be back - a source said that [there's a] 50-60% chance that Luck will be back after missing the past two games."

http://www.stampedeblue.com/2015/10/10/9492833/report-theres-a-50-to-60-percent-chance-that-andrew-luck-plays-vs-patriots-colts

[TKnight24]

Top of your screen, there's a huge mega thread about all of this.........

[RockThatBlue]

Top of your screen, there's a huge mega thread about all of this.........

I don't see a huge mega thread about Andrew Luck possibly returning.

[TKnight24]

I don't see a huge mega thread about Andrew Luck possibly returning.

The pinned thread at the top of the forum. It's already this article & all the other stuff related to the game in there

[csmopar]

Take it for what its worth. But Mike Wells says he has a source telling him this...

"And now they're looking forward to, hoping, that Andre [Johnson] will continue to play well and carry forward, because Indianapolis has a huge game coming up next week. The New England Patriots at Lucas Oil Stadium, and Andrew Luck will hopefully be back - a source said that [there's a] 50-60% chance that Luck will be back after missing the past two games."

http://www.stampedeblue.com/2015/10/10/9492833/report-theres-a-50-to-60-percent-chance-that-andrew-luck-plays-vs-patriots-colts

Um

....it's been a 50/50. Only two options.... plays or doesnt....

[csmopar]

What is wrong with the man?

Part of me wonders if he's been given the Harrison treatment...benched for poor play under the guise of an injury......

[LockeDown]

For all we know, Luck's shoulder has been bad since training camp and he's been playing through it.  Think about it.  His play has been completely different from his normal self.  His bad decisions may be a result of knowing he can't make a throw, but he is forced to do something.  It's just hard to believe he is all of a sudden playing this badly w/o a reason.

[SilentHill]

I leave the country for a week and Matt Hasselbeck has won us two games. Where is Luck? We all know this sore shoulder thing is crap.

[12isthenew18]

give it time

[COLTS449]

Its a full week before the Pats game. Its too early to tell. But you'd think unless we're being lied to that he'll be ready to go next week.

[colts_100nascar17fan]

The way Hasselbeck is playing, he is the better option especially against new england.

[John Waylon]

I am 0% surprised. If I live to be 438 years old I'll never believe this was a "bruised shoulder". Nor will I ever believe that it happened against the Titans. This is something he had against the Bills and Jets. It just got worse when he was getting murdered those first 3 weeks. 

[James Harden]

Time will only tell

[chrisfarley]

If Luck sits for NE, then so be it. We can still win with Hasselbeck, even though he's probably ready to return to the bench. It's out of our hands from a fan standpoint anyway.

I think Hasselbeck has run his course, it would be ugly with him at the helm for the Sunday night game and all those Patriots coming at him like banshees and Brady wanting to rub it in our face and put the tattle-tales out of commission.  I sure hope Andrew has a good week of practice and shows great strides in his shoulder therapy.  We have great trainers and doctors and rehab specialists and they will give Andrew the best chance in the world to play on Sunday night.  Besides, I'm pretty sure Luck has never beat them and this would be the best time ever to start a new trend.

[ColtStronger]

I wouldn't be so dismissive if Luck doesn't go. That would mean he's "rested" the shoulder for 21 days but it's not better. That's not a none serious shoulder that's a series injury that is healing that the Colts have lied to us about but I don't think that's shocking as the Colts have pretty much lied about this from the start.

"There's no tension between, Pagano and Grigson"! 

[ColtStronger]

I would act like Andrews shoulder has regressed all week, and list him as doubtful, then big surprise Luck is 100% game so the Pats game plan for Hasselbeck all week LOL

[AllYouNeedIsLuck]

I would act like Andrews shoulder has regressed all week, and list him as doubtful, then big surprise Luck is 100% game so the Pats game plan for Hasselbeck all week LOL

YES

[achcolts]

I really really hope a part of this is to play with the patriots kind of catching them off guard

[oldunclemark]

there's no way to know what percentage chance anyone has of playing...in any game

[Esquire59]

there's no way to know what percentage chance anyone has of playing...in any game

Cmon man! So, an injured player who starts? No way to know if they play or not? A "probable" player classified at 75% usually plays.

[ricker182]

YES

Only problem is Belichick is not that stupid.

[Track Guy]

I am 0% surprised. If I live to be 438 years old I'll never believe this was a "bruised shoulder". Nor will I ever believe that it happened against the Titans. This is something he had against the Bills and Jets. It just got worse when he was getting murdered those first 3 weeks. 

 

I think at best, the injury was a separated shoulder. Bruising may have been a symptom, but there's no way this was just bruising. I'm also skeptical about exactly when he really hurt it too. But obviously, I have no real info.

[Callie]

First off...I see people quoting the guy who is a regular at my tanning salon.

High fives could be a different motion than throwing. Keeping the shoulder close to the body.

[RomanianColtsFan]

I'm not even convinced he actually had a shoulder injury. To me it looked like a pectoral muscle injury, possibly a tear, based on his reaction when Hasselbeck tapped his chest.

[2006Coltsbestever]

For all we know, Luck's shoulder has been bad since training camp and he's been playing through it.  Think about it.  His play has been completely different from his normal self.  His bad decisions may be a result of knowing he can't make a throw, but he is forced to do something.  It's just hard to believe he is all of a sudden playing this badly w/o a reason.

I have no facts to back it up but I thought he may of injured his shoulder (or whatever) against Buffalo. I thought his upper body motions looked strange at times in that game, as did they against the Jets too. Who knows when it really happened but he hasn't looked the same this season. He played great in the 4th Qtr against the Titans but I almost think he just willed himself to do so because he knew going 0-3 would pretty much put us in a hole we probably wouldn't dig out of. He looked injured and exhausted after that game. I cant remember who it was on here but someone mentioned it could be a sternum injury. When Hasselbeck barely hit him it looked to be in the sternum area. If you injure your sternum that can definitely take a while to heal and that is a tender area when bruised badly.

[NagelHausForge]

Personally I think Luck was injured some time in the pre-season... I seem to remember he was pulled in the middle of a drive during the 2nd game which seemed kind of odd to me.  Even in the 3rd game he wasn't very accurate and would make questionable decisions... I don't but for one second that his injury came during the Titans game.  Something has been off with him for the entire season so far... albeit 3 games we have seen him...

 

I am thinking this is something much more serious than we are being told... Seems to be more than just a shoulder given some of the videos we have seen... The shoulder might be involved but it seems like there's more to it than that.

 

I have watched several of the coaches interviews where they have been asked about Luck (and subsequently asked other questions in order to obtain a behavioral norm) and every time they answer questions about Luck they're deceptive... very very deceptive. 

 

Not a good sign...

[ColtStronger]

Only problem is Belichick is not that stupid.

Yeah, but if it distracts him just a little bit, then it could payoff.  If he gameplans for each QB, then he's not focused 100% on Luck.  Personally, I think Pep and Manusky will be pretty creative!  Even if we don't win, I don't see this game as being a blowout...

[Track Guy]

First off...I see people quoting the guy who is a regular at my tanning salon.

High fives could be a different motion than throwing. Keeping the shoulder close to the body.

 

Ouch lol. I could never do a tanning salon... Too much skin cancer in my family even without them. 

 

It's hard to say what the extent of Luck's injury is... I feel like the coaching staff is playing cute. Pagano said he had "supreme confidence" Luck would play against the Jags, yet it sounds like there's still uncertainty about him even playing against the Pats.

[18Manning]

also shooting both arms in the air in the touchdown celebration thingy that he does

 

I have a constant, nagging pain in my right shoulder (although, I doubt it's the same issue Luck has). I can put my arms up in the air. I can use my arm for 99% of everything I want to use it for. However, I'm sure throwing a football downfield would be painful. There's obviously a lot that goes in to throwing. It wouldn't take much of a shoulder injury to make a QB ineffective.

[RollerColt]

Something just doesn't seem right. I have this nagging feeling that Luck's injury is far worse. I keep having flashbacks to when Manning went down. Didn't the coaching staff pull the same thing? Listing Peyton as day-to-day, even having him suit up each game to start the season?

[BullsColtsFan1]

Something just doesn't seem right. I have this nagging feeling that Luck's injury is far worse. I keep having flashbacks to when Manning went down. Didn't the coaching staff pull the same thing? Listing Peyton as day-to-day, even having him suit up each game to start the season?

I don't believe so, I believe it was announced pretty early that he'd miss the season.

[RollerColt]

I don't believe so, I believe it was announced pretty early that he'd miss the season.

I couldn't remember to be honest... Thanks!

[BullsColtsFan1]

I couldn't remember to be honest... Thanks!

No problem!  I remember finding out he was hurt but didn't expect it to be a whole season.  I got confirmation via facebook and it was before the season started.  It was the 2nd to last pre season game I believe.

[Steamboat_Shaun]

Something just doesn't seem right. I have this nagging feeling that Luck's injury is far worse. I keep having flashbacks to when Manning went down. Didn't the coaching staff pull the same thing? Listing Peyton as day-to-day, even having him suit up each game to start the season?

 

If I remember correctly, during preseason they said they expected him to miss the first few games, then come week 1 they announced he was on season-ending IR.

[RollerColt]

If I remember correctly, during preseason they said they expected him to miss the first few games, then come week 1 they announced he was on season-ending IR.

Gotcha,

 

So this is definitely a completely different situation.

[CoachLite]

Only problem is Belichick is not that stupid.

Is our coaching staff smart enough to know that Belichick "is not that stupid"? These are the same guys that "sat" some highly talented players -- blaming the players for poor performance -- when the problem was uncertainty and doubt caused by poor coaching. Maybe that's OK in Pee-Wee League, not the NFL. A couple examples are Luck and Werner.

 

It is too easy to blame someone else for your mistakes, than to take responsibility for them and correct them. A lot of winning is having a winning attitude, not second-guessing yourself.