Kravitz: Might Jim Irsay run Andrew Luck out of Indianapolis with his intemperate remarks?

[The Fish]

1 hour ago, zibby43 said:

 

I 100% believe what Tony Dungy says.  I've been fortunate enough to meet and spend time with several of his family members - all great people.

 

There is a video clip of all this being said (i.e., there is a video clip from the show of Dungy and Patrick discussing this).

 

This isn't just Patrick saying he was told something.

 

I'll even do the work and post the transcript below -

 

Patrick asked Dungy about the Luck situation:

 

Dungy: "I don't know what's going on there. Jim Irsay made a comment to me about six weeks ago, 'It's inside his head now.'"

 

Patrick: "Wait, it's inside Luck's head?"

 

Dungy: "Yeah, he (Irsay) said that when I was out (in Indianapolis) for Peyton's ceremony."

 

Patrick, stunned: "Wow . . . I really wonder if Luck's future is in Indianapolis. I really do."

 

Dungy didn't respond initially, then when Patrick brought up the fact that Irsay expected Luck back at the start of the season or early in the season . . .

 

Dungy: "They obviously believed it because they did nothing to prepare for him not being there."

 

 

Huh?  You don't think Luck, his agent, and his family aren't going to be ticked off at the fact that the owner has now repeatedly said, not just to the media, but to Tony Dungy, that the reason he isn't playing is because he can't get his mind right?

 

That no one in the Luck camp is going to be miffed at the fact that the owner is questioning the mental fortitude of a guy that has been battered (broken ribs, torn labrum, concussion, damaged vital internal organs) behind an incompetent o-line that the organization has trotted out onto the field on an annual basis?

 

If you can't see why this (transcript above) is a big deal and you can't get past a goofy headline to read the facts that just got dropped yesterday, then respectfully, I'm sorry.

 

 

 

Not really. *They've* got long term job security, a rich contract and a year off.

 

[cdgacoltsfan]

12 hours ago, Luck12-to-Hilton13 said:

Get ready for articles And or rumors like this all off-season.

Gladis tries to run everyone out of town including Irsay. He's stuck in a small market and needs to make noise.

 

[jvan1973]

9 hours ago, mahagga73 said:

Yeah, that pesky free press. How dare they . 

They run nonsense articles and pass them off as fact.    That isn't journalism,   is sensationalism. 

[Everyone]

7 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

No need to read the article when you see a Title like - Might Jim Irsay run Andrew Luck out of Indianapolis with his remarks. That is just stupid in itself. If you cant see that sorry. These negative articles are really getting old and they are just plain dumb.

I almost always title my topics the articles headline.  In hindsight I shouldn't have with this one because I primarily wanted to share Dungys comments. That title is clickbait and I'll not be making that mistake again.  

[lollygagger8]

Kravitz is fake news. 

[crazycolt1]

2 hours ago, zibby43 said:

 

I 100% believe what Tony Dungy says.  I've been fortunate enough to meet and spend time with several of his family members - all great people.

 

There is a video clip of all this being said (i.e., there is a video clip from the show of Dungy and Patrick discussing this).

 

This isn't just Patrick saying he was told something.

 

I'll even do the work and post the transcript below -

 

Patrick asked Dungy about the Luck situation:

 

Dungy: "I don't know what's going on there. Jim Irsay made a comment to me about six weeks ago, 'It's inside his head now.'"

 

Patrick: "Wait, it's inside Luck's head?"

 

Dungy: "Yeah, he (Irsay) said that when I was out (in Indianapolis) for Peyton's ceremony."

 

Patrick, stunned: "Wow . . . I really wonder if Luck's future is in Indianapolis. I really do."

 

Dungy didn't respond initially, then when Patrick brought up the fact that Irsay expected Luck back at the start of the season or early in the season . . .

 

Dungy: "They obviously believed it because they did nothing to prepare for him not being there."

 

 

Huh?  You don't think Luck, his agent, and his family aren't going to be ticked off at the fact that the owner has now repeatedly said, not just to the media, but to Tony Dungy, that the reason he isn't playing is because he can't get his mind right?

 

That no one in the Luck camp is going to be miffed at the fact that the owner is questioning the mental fortitude of a guy that has been battered (broken ribs, torn labrum, concussion, damaged vital internal organs) behind an incompetent o-line that the organization has trotted out onto the field on an annual basis?

 

If you can't see why this (transcript above) is a big deal and you can't get past a goofy headline to read the facts that just got dropped yesterday, then respectfully, I'm sorry.

 

 

After what you said Patrick-Dungy said you add your own narrative to what Luck, his agent and his family thinks. That is adding your own narrative. You don't know these people so how do you know what they think. That's reads like you are making up a story just like a media hound would by adding your own twist to it.

 

[shasta519]

I always just assumed the "mental" comments were in reference to playing after surgery...similar to guys who tear an ACL and have to learn to trust their knee again.

 

I also thought the comments were made somewhat to distract from the "physical" aspect of the rehab, which obviously wasn't and isn't going as planned...as in "Luck is going great in his physical recovery...now it's about the mental aspect," as a way to provide confidence to fans (about his rehab) and explain why he isn't there yet. But in reality it hasn't and isn't going as planed from a physical standpoint. And I think they have known for a while.

 

 

[BR-549]

12 hours ago, coltsfansince65 said:

My favorite song from that album. I enjoy playing that one too. Seems to be a few of us guitar playing Colt fans on here.

Sure thing...

It would be fun to get together sometime and have a Colts "Blue(s)" jam session.... 

 

I quit playing in bands years ago.  I do get the hankering now and then, but I am pretty much just a bedroom musician these days.  

[CamMo]

It doesn’t make sense to me that his Drs would tell him to stop throwing, focus on rehab, and why he’d get so many opinions after the soreness if it is ‘mental’.

 

Schefter just retweeted the article. I hope this gets squashed before we have to hear about it all offseason.

[Nadine]

11 minutes ago, CamMo said:

It doesn’t make sense to me that his Drs would tell him to stop throwing, focus on rehab, and why he’d get so many opinions after the soreness if it is ‘mental’.

 

Schefter just retweeted the article. I hope this gets squashed before we have to hear about it all offseason.

Good point.  Turns out it's not mental huh?

 

I guess we have to pay for the relatively peaceful off season we just had.  

[GoColts8818]

34 minutes ago, CamMo said:

It doesn’t make sense to me that his Drs would tell him to stop throwing, focus on rehab, and why he’d get so many opinions after the soreness if it is ‘mental’.

 

Schefter just retweeted the article. I hope this gets squashed before we have to hear about it all offseason.

1.  Irsay is not a doctor so he just offered his opinion to Dungy and could very well be wrong.

 

2.  If you go to just about any doctor and say he my x hurts after doing y the first they will tell you is stop doing y and rest x and see if that helps.  

 

3.  I do think Luck feels it’s beyond just being a mental issue and that could be a disconnect Irsay and Luck are having,  

 

4.  Time will tell which side is right.  There was a story a couple of weeks ago those specialists weren’t finding any reason his shoulder would still be sore either so that would support Irsay saying it’s all mental.  Luck isn’t willing to accept that which is why he keeps seeing doctors.  Either way I think I think that once the side that’s wrong realizes that they are they will do everything they can to fix the what’s wrong rather it be mental or physical and if there is strain on the relationship it will be repaired.

[Lucky Colts Fan]

15 hours ago, Jaric said:

Hot takes!

 

 

"HOT TAKES!  GET YOUR HOT TAKES HERE!"

[hoosierhawk]

17 hours ago, chrisfarley said:

lol, oops, ok then that's just a warning to him.  i remember several years back, Jerry Jones opened his yap in a bar or something.

How novel, opening your yap at a bar! Guess you have to down your drink, right?

[dgambill]

I'm not too worried about it one way or another. Luck will be back or he won't be. There will be a qb next year and we will have a football team (unless there is a world altering event). I'd love for Luck to come back healthy but if he doesn't we move on. We survived after Peyton left we can survive after Luck goes. Worrying won't change a thing...except probably make you sick and take years off your life.

 

The media's job is to sell papers and advertising...they aren't here just to tell you the facts and report the truth...and even when they do they spin it to sell it. This isn't 1950. I'm not going to lose one minute of sleep over this. Perhaps Luck will come out and talk about his future etc...until then EVERYTHING is just speculation.

[chrisfarley]

3 hours ago, hoosierhawk said:

How novel, opening your yap at a bar! Guess you have to down your drink, right?

yea, when your yap is downright odious, probably best to keep it closed.

[coltsfansince65]

5 hours ago, BR-549 said:

Sure thing...

It would be fun to get together sometime and have a Colts "Blue(s)" jam session.... 

 

I quit playing in bands years ago.  I do get the hankering now and then, but I am pretty much just a bedroom musician these days.  

Yeah, that would be an awesome thing to do. I don't play much these days either. Blues jams once in a while with a buddy of mine who still is active in the club scene. I was a hired gun church musician for 10+ years before retiring several years ago. I was a pretty serious vintage collector for many years & have recently whittled down to a select few keepers that my son will eventually inherit.

[Coltsagent]

My opinion is this is a very real possibility. You have a very smart, educated man with ambitions of doing much more in life then playing a silly game and it would be really hard to have that quality of life later if you cant walk or remember anything at age 55.

 

Football will not be around in 30 years and I see Andrew at a crossroads.

[Everyone]

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

2 minutes ago, Everyone said:

 

 

... so he was drunk after all. 

[Steamboat_Shaun]

23 hours ago, Everyone said:

Interesting comments from Dungy regarding what Irsay told him. 

Not my opinion, just sharing what I see.

 

From Dungy today (seems kind of important):

 

[2006Coltsbestever]

8 hours ago, Everyone said:

I almost always title my topics the articles headline.  In hindsight I shouldn't have with this one because I primarily wanted to share Dungys comments. That title is clickbait and I'll not be making that mistake again.  

My remarks were toward Kravitz not you if you thought they were.

[Colt.45]

It's irresponsible to write pieces like that garbage. No new information, nothing. Guys like Kravitz help propagate the whole notion of 'fake news'. 

[zibby43]

8 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

After what you said Patrick-Dungy said you add your own narrative to what Luck, his agent and his family thinks. That is adding your own narrative. You don't know these people so how do you know what they think. That's reads like you are making up a story just like a media hound would by adding your own twist to it.

 

 

My feelings that I expressed regarding how I think Luck's camp feels about all these "between the ears" comments are called opinions.

 

I have no narrative.  I'm not being paid to be here.

 

It's all a moot point now anyway.  Dungy came out and said he was misquoted. 

[Everyone]

52 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

My remarks were toward Kravitz not you if you thought they were.

I assumed it was towards Kravitz, I still take some responsibility for spreading the sensationalist title.

[JColts72]

Colts looking incomptent like Jimmys dad ownership days 

[indy1888]

2 hours ago, Mr. Irrelevant said:

 

... so he was drunk after all. 

 

I listened to the clip of Dungy and he never does say Jim Irsay told him directly that it was in Luck's head.  But Dungy does say that Irsay made those remarks when Dungy was in town for Manning's ceremony. So basically, the overall message is still the same, it seems it was just more in a public group type setting then just directly to Dungy.  Doesn't change much for me becuase Dungy admits he heard the comments just a few weeks ago.

[CF4L]

17 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

The Packers are proving my point 100% in that without your best player/Franchise QB you aren't going to win much and I don't care if Vince Lombardi is the Coach, Packers aren't winning without Rodgers. We aren't without Luck. I like Brissett but he isn't Luck.

 

 

If you have a decent backup and all around team you can weather the storm the Pats went 11-5 when Brady was out for the year.

 

That being said I know plenty of Packers fans who think McCarthy should be fired and that Ted Thompson has been meh in recent years even before Rodgers got hurt.

 

If anything they think the team just took Rodgers greatness for granted. Which is probably true.

 

You can't please everyone.

 

 

[BR-549]

4 hours ago, coltsfansince65 said:

Yeah, that would be an awesome thing to do. I don't play much these days either. Blues jams once in a while with a buddy of mine who still is active in the club scene. I was a hired gun church musician for 10+ years before retiring several years ago. I was a pretty serious vintage collector for many years & have recently whittled down to a select few keepers that my son will eventually inherit.

Awesome, I have a Gibson LP studio, Ibanez LP copy (lawsuit era), Taylor acoustic and a strat knockoff.  A 1965 Kalamazoo (Gibson) practice amp (all tube), a 94 Rivera 60W all tube custom cab, I also built a 1x12 and a 2x12 custom speaker cabs.  It is nice, AND LOUD, but I think I will sell it and build a bassman circuit amp and cab combo with 4x10 or 2x12.... haven't decided yet.  

Mine all go to my nephew.  I recently rebuilt a fender copy that my dad owned.  Nothing special, but I am giving it to my nephew for Christmas.  He never got to meet his grandpa so he will be excited to get it.

[crazycolt1]

5 hours ago, Coltsagent said:

My opinion is this is a very real possibility. You have a very smart, educated man with ambitions of doing much more in life then playing a silly game and it would be really hard to have that quality of life later if you cant walk or remember anything at age 55.

 

Football will not be around in 30 years and I see Andrew at a crossroads.

What?  Luck and all the players who play in the NFL with the exception of a handful have groomed themselves most of their lives to play football. It's not a silly game to them or in their eyes. There have been players who as a result are damaged from football still claim if they could still play they would.

[2006Coltsbestever]

3 hours ago, CF4L said:

 

 

If you have a decent backup and all around team you can weather the storm the Pats went 11-5 when Brady was out for the year.

 

That being said I know plenty of Packers fans who think McCarthy should be fired and that Ted Thompson has been meh in recent years even before Rodgers got hurt.

 

If anything they think the team just took Rodgers greatness for granted. Which is probably true.

 

You can't please everyone.

 

 

The Pats are the only team that can do that because its their System and Coach. There are no other teams in the league that can win consistently without their franchise QB. If Luck was playing we would be at least 5-4 if not 6-3. That is nothing against Brissett but he isn't near as good as Luck is. Take Ben off of Pitt and their season is done for example, take Brees off of New Orleans and they suck. The Pats wouldn't win a SB without Brady but with the Coach and System they have, yeah that is the 1 team out of 32 that could still win their Division. Packers will be lucky if they win 1 or 2 more games without Rodgers and I called it. That is why I am not sure some Colts fans bash this team for losing, what do they expect without Luck?

[CF4L]

1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

The Pats are the only team that can do that because its their System and Coach. There are no other teams in the league that can win consistently without their franchise QB. If Luck was playing we would be at least 5-4 if not 6-3. That is nothing against Brissett but he isn't near as good as Luck is. Take Ben off of Pitt and their season is done for example, take Brees off of New Orleans and they suck. The Pats wouldn't win a SB without Brady but with the Coach and System they have, yeah that is the 1 team out of 32 that could still win their Division. Packers will be lucky if they win 1 or 2 more games without Rodgers and I called it. That is why I am not sure some Colts fans bash this team for losing, what do they expect without Luck?

 

 

They probably expected a balanced team isn't that what Jimbo said years ago that he didn't want stats he wanted rings and a more balanced team.

 

The Colts have none of the above or a QB for that matter.

 

The Colts were actually serviceable without Luck when we had a decent backup in Hasselbeck unfortunately he got old. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

39 minutes ago, CF4L said:

 

 

They probably expected a balanced team isn't that what Jimbo said years ago that he didn't want stats he wanted rings and a more balanced team.

 

The Colts have none of the above or a QB for that matter.

 

The Colts were actually serviceable without Luck when we had a decent backup in Hasselbeck unfortunately he got old. 

That is why Jimbo fired Grigson because he failed in the Draft to bring us balance. Hopefully Ballard will and my point is, 99% of teams wont win without their starting QB's. Not even the Pats would win in the Playoffs without Brady. Take Ben off Pitt, Brees off of NO, Dak off of Dallas, Wentz off of Philly - they are in our boat or close to it. Even Houston without Watson will totally stink now, we just beat them with a Defense that ranks near the bottom. I nailed it 100% about the Packers, they are 0-3 without Rodgers when many were saying - NAH they are a well ran organization and will still win without him. That made me laugh reading those Posts.

[Dingus McGirt]

11 hours ago, zibby43 said:

 

My feelings that I expressed regarding how I think Luck's camp feels about all these "between the ears" comments are called opinions.

 

I have no narrative.  I'm not being paid to be here.

 

It's all a moot point now anyway.  Dungy came out and said he was misquoted. 

Luck has a camp?  His agent and dad don't qualify as one of those.  LOLOL  :^)

[zibby43]

14 minutes ago, Dingus McGirt said:

Luck has a camp?  His agent and dad don't qualify as one of those.  LOLOL  :^)

 

camp (kamp); noun: "the supporters of a particular party or doctrine regarded collectively"

 

I'd say the word fits the dictionary's definition.  Have a good one bud.

[Dingus McGirt]

LOL.  OK, Zibby.  I just never thought of Luck as a "camp" sort of guy.  :^)

 

[zibby43]

2 minutes ago, Dingus McGirt said:

LOL.  OK, Zibby.  I just never thought of Luck as a "camp" sort of guy.  :^)

 

 

I would agree with that.  I meant it in a very literal sense of the word.  Wasn't trying to imply he was a diva.  I would've said "Luck's entourage" if I wanted to go down that road.

 

But I didn't, because I agree with you that Luck isn't a diva.

 

All that said, he would have made this process a lot easier (he still can), if he came out and spoke publicly instead of issuing statements via his agents or the organization. 

 

That's just my opinion, but I respect his privacy and I think his motive is pure: he is embarrassed by all of this and doesn't want to take the spotlight off the team.  I just think his decision is having the opposite impact: he is drawing more attention and taking more spotlight off the team by maintaining radio silence.

 

Thoughts?

[Dingus McGirt]

Interesting.  I honestly think he doesn't know what to say, other than the talking points they're all regurgitating.  My mother used to say "expect me when you see me" - maybe that's the best we can hope for.  Regardless, no one will be satisfied until he is back on the field as a starter...that'll speak for itself.  

[coltsfansince65]

19 hours ago, BR-549 said:

Awesome, I have a Gibson LP studio, Ibanez LP copy (lawsuit era), Taylor acoustic and a strat knockoff.  A 1965 Kalamazoo (Gibson) practice amp (all tube), a 94 Rivera 60W all tube custom cab, I also built a 1x12 and a 2x12 custom speaker cabs.  It is nice, AND LOUD, but I think I will sell it and build a bassman circuit amp and cab combo with 4x10 or 2x12.... haven't decided yet.  

Mine all go to my nephew.  I recently rebuilt a fender copy that my dad owned.  Nothing special, but I am giving it to my nephew for Christmas.  He never got to meet his grandpa so he will be excited to get it.

That's awesome that you can build your own amp. I could never trust myself trying that. I assume you are talking about building the 5F6A Bassman circuit amp. I'm fortunate enough to own some real vintage guitars. I use to buy & sell & trade for many years. I've probably owned hundreads of guitars since the 70's. The most I ever had at one time was 34. By 2010 I went through a divorce & have kept just 5 guitars that I have now. I own a 57 Les Paul Goldtop, a 61 Strat, a 59 Strat, a Martin D41 & a Taylor 355. Nothing like Jim Irsay but then I don't own my favorite football team.  My son plays too so he will get all my gear. He jokes with me all the time & tells me he's going to route my Les Paul out for a Kahler. I told him if he does I will most certainly haunt him.

[The Fish]

4 minutes ago, coltsfansince65 said:

That's awesome that you can build your own amp. I could never trust myself trying that. I assume you are talking about building the 5F6A Bassman circuit amp. I'm fortunate enough to own some real vintage guitars. I use to buy & sell & trade for many years. I've probably owned hundreads of guitars since the 70's. The most I ever had at one time was 34. By 2010 I went through a divorce & have kept just 5 guitars that I have now. I own a 57 Les Paul Goldtop, a 61 Strat, a 59 Strat, a Martin D41 & a Taylor 355. Nothing like Jim Irsay but then I don't own my favorite football team.  My son plays too so he will get all my gear. He jokes with me all the time & tells me he's going to route my Les Paul out for a Kahler. I told him if he does I will most certainly haunt him.

 

I'll follow up on that if you don't.. 

And yeah, building your own amp if you don't know what's up = kaboom.

[BR-549]

43 minutes ago, coltsfansince65 said:

That's awesome that you can build your own amp. I could never trust myself trying that. I assume you are talking about building the 5F6A Bassman circuit amp. I'm fortunate enough to own some real vintage guitars. I use to buy & sell & trade for many years. I've probably owned hundreads of guitars since the 70's. The most I ever had at one time was 34. By 2010 I went through a divorce & have kept just 5 guitars that I have now. I own a 57 Les Paul Goldtop, a 61 Strat, a 59 Strat, a Martin D41 & a Taylor 355. Nothing like Jim Irsay but then I don't own my favorite football team.  My son plays too so he will get all my gear. He jokes with me all the time & tells me he's going to route my Les Paul out for a Kahler. I told him if he does I will most certainly haunt him.

I will PM you so as to not derail the thread.