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interesting article on NFL.com that breaks down what this writer believes to be the worst position groupings in the NFL. When he got to "Defensive Line", the author clearly did not hesitate when he picked the Colts.

"Bruce Arians and Chuck Paganoearned that Coach of the Year award. The Colts won 11 games with all sorts of holes on their depth chart, especially in the front seven of their defense. Ricky Jean-Francois was a fun pickup, but he's never started before. The other starters (Cory ReddingAubrayo Franklin) are workmanlike, with shaky depth behind them."

Full article here : 
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000169451/article/worst-position-groups-in-nfl-defense

My question (and the main reason I am posting this) is do you fellow Colts fans feel this to be true? Or another example of the media picking on the Colts because it is simply the easy thing to do if you do not delve into any details. (such as the absurd notion of ranking the Colts 32nd last year after adding Andrew Luck.)

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Whilst we don't have any marquee players along the defensive front, I believe we have really good scheme fits. If this unit stop the run and makes the pocket untidy then they will be doing their job, I think the personnel currently available are capable of doing that. The Saints definitely have the worst d-line.

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I tend to ignore Gregg Rosenthal

Winner.  That's exactly what everyone should do.  He also has the Colts mentioned as one of the teams with the worst LB depth.  He isn't a good analyst or writer.  He looks at superficial things and thinks he is right.  Interesting note: I believe the Saints had one of the worst defenses in NFL history last season (though that could be a mistake), but they are sparingly listed.

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He also has us toward the bottom of the Running Back position group.

 

From the outside looking in....   we're short in some position groups until we can prove otherwise.

 

Remember giving up 350 yards rushing to KC?!?     Yes, we signed some players.   Yes, Chapman is healthy.   Yes, we drafted more players.    And all of that should and will help.    The question is how much??

 

So,  until we prove it on the field,  we're a big giant question mark.    I take no offense from Gregg Rosenthal or anyone else who wonders how good we are in any given area. 

 

Just my view of things....

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Winner.  That's exactly what everyone should do.  He also has the Colts mentioned as one of the teams with the worst LB depth.  He isn't a good analyst or writer.  He looks at superficial things and thinks he is right.  Interesting note: I believe the Saints had one of the worst defenses in NFL history last season (though that could be a mistake), but they are sparingly listed.

 

To Rosenthal's credit, his final preseason prediction for the Colts last year was 8-8, and he was considering projecting them as a wild card playoff team. Still, this "analysis" of the defensive front is lacking.

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He also has us toward the bottom of the Running Back position group.

 

From the outside looking in....   we're short in some position groups until we can prove otherwise.

 

Remember giving up 350 yards rushing to KC?!?     Yes, we signed some players.   Yes, Chapman is healthy.   Yes, we drafted more players.    And all of that should and will help.    The question is how much??

 

So,  until we prove it on the field,  we're a big giant question mark.    I take no offense from Gregg Rosenthal or anyone else who wonders how good we are in any given area. 

 

Just my view of things....

 

All good points... but the worst defensive line in the league? I don't know, Jasper...

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All good points... but the worst defensive line in the league? I don't know, Jasper...

 

Well...   it's not quite the worst in the league as you put it....   it's the worst 3-4 front in the league.   Some other team has the worst 4-3 front (I didn't notice who it was?)

 

Also,  beyond also being in the Honorable Mention for worst groups of linebackers as well,  we're also in the HM for Cornerbacks as well. 

 

All in all....   once we show that our new guys are playing much better,  we'll be off the lists that annoy so many here....

 

I'd expect a much happier fan base 12 months from now when Rosenthal is doing his ratings for next year.....

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gregg is a colts hater with no equal. well maybe deion sanders can give him a run for his money, but anyway him like many other sport writing dumbos continue to look at their piece of paper instead actually understanding what their saying.

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interesting article on NFL.com that breaks down what this writer believes to be the worst position groupings in the NFL. When he got to "Defensive Line", the author clearly did not hesitate when he picked the Colts.

"Bruce Arians and Chuck Paganoearned that Coach of the Year award. The Colts won 11 games with all sorts of holes on their depth chart, especially in the front seven of their defense. Ricky Jean-Francois was a fun pickup, but he's never started before. The other starters (Cory ReddingAubrayo Franklin) are workmanlike, with shaky depth behind them."

Full article here : http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000169451/article/worst-position-groups-in-nfl-defense

My question (and the main reason I am posting this) is do you fellow Colts fans feel this to be true? Or another example of the media picking on the Colts because it is simply the easy thing to do if you do not delve into any details. (such as the absurd notion of ranking the Colts 32nd last year after adding Andrew Luck.)

This hack would come across a lot smarter "IF" he had mentioned Indy's "health" as the major concern.  

 

Because it is....  

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Well...   it's not quite the worst in the league as you put it....   it's the worst 3-4 front in the league.   Some other team has the worst 4-3 front (I didn't notice who it was?)

 

Also,  beyond also being in the Honorable Mention for worst groups of linebackers as well,  we're also in the HM for Cornerbacks as well. 

 

All in all....   once we show that our new guys are playing much better,  we'll be off the lists that annoy so many here....

 

I'd expect a much happier fan base 12 months from now when Rosenthal is doing his ratings for next year.....

This teams "DL" never had a chance to play together last season but for how many "snaps"?

 

Redding ..  hurt constantl

Fili M ..     hurt

Nevis. ...  hurt

Chap ...   hurt

McKinney   hurt

 

 

I mean really..   that is your starting DL.      Combined how many starts there?     Not a lot.. 

 

Fili is healthy..   Chap is healthy....    and on and on...

 

the issue is HEALTH

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Any line that has one of, if not the best, run stopping NT in 2012 shouldn't be on that list.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/11/29/sig-stats-snapshot-run-stop-percentage-dts/

 

 

OK....   I'll bite,  who is one of, if not the best run stopping NT in 2012???   The Colts had that guy??

 

Really??

 

Will the Mystery Player please sign-in and reveal himself!?!

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OK....   I'll bite,  who is one of, if not the best run stopping NT in 2012???   The Colts had that guy??

 

Really??

 

Will the Mystery Player please sign-in and reveal himself!?!

 

Why not click the link? It shows Aubrayo Franklin as #1 run stuffer at DT last year.

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I think Vontae is a top 5 CB in this league -- I question the depth behind him a bit.  I think both Butler and Toler are very solid #3 CB's, and sure hope that one of them can prove to be an average or better #2. 

Anyway, I don't see how in the world they mention us as a candidate for the worst CB group in the league.  Our CB's should be helped tremendously by very strong safeties and it is yet to be determined how we'll do with rushing the passer.  I think we have enough big bodies on the front line that Mathis/Bjoern/Walden and our other LB's should have some space to get pretty clear gaps to hit the QB.  I kind of worry about us not having a true rusher on the line, but think that RJF, Maola, Hughes, etc. have the size and agility to beat a 1-on-1 if Chapman and Franklin can eat up double teams in the center of the line -- I said in a post long ago that we have 11guys on our line right now that will be on and NFL roster next season, probably only 7-9 will be on our roster - it will be interesting to see how things develop.

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Aubrayo Franklin.

 

 

OK....   I'll bite,  who is one of, if not the best run stopping NT in 2012???   The Colts had that guy??

 

Really??

 

Will the Mystery Player please sign-in and reveal himself!?!

 

Thanks.....    I mis-read your post....   I thought you were implying that that player was on our roster last year....

 

Honestly, I didn't know Franklin had such a good year last year.   I wouldn't have guessed his numbers were that good!

 

Pleased to learn it.    I knew he was good, but perhaps not this good.    I thought before, and think moreso now that Franklin will eventually be our starter and Chapman will rotate in....

 

I know it's not that way now,  but it wouldn't surprise me if that changes the closer we get to the regular season....

 

Just my hunch....

 

Thanks again....

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Franklin was really good last year, as has already been pointed out. It was minimal snaps but I figure a tandem of he and Chapman will be pretty stout in the middle. I really hope to see Nevis and Guy get more reps this year, I felt they were both better than most people realize...especially Nevis if he can stay healthy. RJF should provide another solid piece, and it's not like Redding is a scrub. No way is our Dline worse than New Orleans. Cameron Jordan and Brodrick Bunkley might be able to transition, but the rest of their line is crap.

 

Also lol at the idea that our CBs are one of the worst groups in the league....this isn't last year.

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I don't think our front 7 was even that bad last year, it wasn't amazing at stopping the run but if you look at the other teams in our division every team has a great RB which is why we looked so bad.

 

Plus if you look at AP's stats i think the colts held him to the least yards all season.

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