Rock Ya-Sin / Yannick Ngakoue trade

[lollygagger8]

I don't put a lot into PFF grades, but I have been watching Yannick closely on the last two games. He has been bad, but I didn't realize how bad. 

 

Rock sitting at 64.4 PFF grade 

 

Yannick is currently 34.6 PFF grade

 

Glad Rock is doing well. He really turned it on last year - esp from where he started.

 

On the other hand, Yannick doesn't even get close to the QB, and even got stonewalled by #17 on Jax (over sized WR). What's the deal? He was handpicked by Gus, and it's not like he doesn't know the system.  

 

Facyson is playing well (67.6) but not sure why Rogers isn't getting ANY snaps in the last two games.

 

 

[Chrisaaron1023]

2 minutes ago, lollygagger8 said:

Glad Rock is doing well. He really turned it on last year - esp from where he started.

I was kinda stunned when we traded him.. now I'm REALLY stunned lol. We can't pressure anyone. Then I watch the bills last night pressure AND stop the run with only 4 

[krunk]

And none of this means it was a bad trade 2 games in. It definitely took Autry multiple games in year 1 before we felt he could play. The next couple games could be entirely different for Yannick.

[Indy87]

I don’t have faith in anyone on this team not named Pittman or Taylor and Nelson. 

[jbaron04]

We don’t get teams in long passing downs at all

[MikeCurtis]

1 minute ago, jbaron04 said:

We don’t get teams in long passing downs at all

Thats right, but Yannick is being handled one on one.......

 

We need sacks on 3rd and 4 as well as sacks on 3rd and 15

 

We have MANY .... VERY HIGH paid players that are underplaying their contract significantly

 

Thats how you lose in the NFL

 

When your "STARS" as just another average player........

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[AwesomeAustin]

I need to see more.  Nearly everything has been poor so far. I’m sure adjustments will be made and guys will start producing as they settle in. There is too much talent for it to keep going this way. 

[Mitch Connors]

8 minutes ago, krunk said:

And none of this means it was a bad trade 2 games in. It definitely took Autry multiple games in year 1 before we felt he could play. The next couple games could be entirely different for Yannick.

I completely agree that its early but the returns are really bad so far when you consider the QB's Rock/Raiders have faced in Herbert and Murray and we've played Mills and Lawrence and yet Rock is grading much higher. 

 

I understand there's a ton that goes into this but, on the surface, we need something to change. 

[holeymoley99]

Facyson is grading better then Rock and Yannick an upgrade over AQM...plus Gilmore an upgrade over Rhodes. Seems like we did quite well overall player wise.

[bluephantom87]

16 minutes ago, Indy87 said:

I don’t have faith in anyone on this team not named Pittman or Taylor and Nelson. 

 

Counter that by stacking the box to stop the run, double our ONLY receiver and big Q is a guard. THIS is what Ballard has built. 

[krunk]

6 minutes ago, Mitch Connors said:

I completely agree that its early but the returns are really bad so far when you consider the QB's Rock/Raiders have faced in Herbert and Murray and we've played Mills and Lawrence and yet Rock is grading much higher. 

 

I understand there's a ton that goes into this but, on the surface, we need something to change. 

Outside of Paye really no one on the line has done much so far. Not even Buckner.  Frank touched on specifically needing to reevaluate things from a scheme standpoint to free up the group more. I dont think Yannick turned into a bad player overnight.

[BProland85]

This tells me yet again we have a major coaching problem. I don’t believe for a second guys like Ngakoue, Braden Smith, Ryan Kelly, and Deforest Buckner all of a sudden just forgot how to play football. They have all shown they are very good players not long ago. 

[Indyfan4life]

2 minutes ago, BProland85 said:

This tells me yet again we have a major coaching problem. I don’t believe for a second guys like Ngakoue, Braden Smith, Ryan Kelly, and Deforest Buckner all of a sudden just forgot how to play football. They have all shown they are very good players not long ago. 

I'm curious what would happen to an all-star defensive player like. Like, say for example we got Aaron Donald on our team. Would he suddenly be trash? Or would he continue to be a monster?

[DougDew]

44 minutes ago, Indy87 said:

I don’t have faith in anyone on this team not named Pittman or Taylor and Nelson. 

I think many people feel the same way and are struggling to understand it.

[DougDew]

23 minutes ago, BProland85 said:

This tells me yet again we have a major coaching problem. I don’t believe for a second guys like Ngakoue, Braden Smith, Ryan Kelly,

Dude.  They have literally had the same coaches for years.  They were good under their coach before , now are bad under that same coach now.

 

What changes is the teammates around them season by season.

[chad72]

39 minutes ago, BProland85 said:

This tells me yet again we have a major coaching problem. I don’t believe for a second guys like Ngakoue, Braden Smith, Ryan Kelly, and Deforest Buckner all of a sudden just forgot how to play football. They have all shown they are very good players not long ago. 

 

OL coaching was already on the decline, DL coach left and our secondary coach left to be DC under our former DC Eberflus with the Bears. So, yeah, we have a coaching problem but it is Ballard's job to get the right coaches for the defensive system and the trenches too, IMO. Frank can recommend position coaches but the buck stops with Ballard, who also has his thumb prints all over this D since it was the D he wanted to implement all along. Ed Dodds will pretty soon want to bolt this sinking ship.

[RollerColt]

9 minutes ago, chad72 said:

Ed Dodds will pretty soon want to bolt this sinking ship.

Or take over and right the ship. 

[BProland85]

49 minutes ago, Indyfan4life said:

I'm curious what would happen to an all-star defensive player like. Like, say for example we got Aaron Donald on our team. Would he suddenly be trash? Or would he continue to be a monster?

I’m willing to bet that with this coaching staff he would not be near the player he has been. Coaching matters. 

[CoachLite]

44 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

OL coaching was already on the decline, DL coach left and our secondary coach left to be DC under our former DC Eberflus with the Bears. So, yeah, we have a coaching problem but it is Ballard's job to get the right coaches for the defensive system and the trenches too, IMO. Frank can recommend position coaches but the buck stops with Ballard, who also has his thumb prints all over this D since it was the D he wanted to implement all along. Ed Dodds will pretty soon want to bolt this sinking ship.

Bad coaching may be a team effort.

[Moosejawcolt]

2 hours ago, lollygagger8 said:

I don't put a lot into PFF grades, but I have been watching Yannick closely on the last two games. He has been bad, but I didn't realize how bad. 

 

Rock sitting at 64.4 PFF grade 

 

Yannick is currently 34.6 PFF grade

 

Glad Rock is doing well. He really turned it on last year - esp from where he started.

 

On the other hand, Yannick doesn't even get close to the QB, and even got stonewalled by #17 on Jax (over sized WR). What's the deal? He was handpicked by Gus, and it's not like he doesn't know the system.  

 

Facyson is playing well (67.6) but not sure why Rogers isn't getting ANY snaps in the last two games.

 

 

There's a reason why he can't stick with a team 

[NorthernColt]

Id be more concerned if it was anyone but Yannick. Playing under the same DC as he did last year when he put up 10 sacks. Since entering the league he's never had a season under 8 sacks, which would pretty much lead our team every year lol. 

[BeanDiasucci]

Yannick s PFF rating last season was 47.2, not quite as awful as this year so far, but bad nonetheless. 

[stitches]

Too early to tell, but I was not as in love with this trade as most here when it happened, let alone now... But... I guess we will see ... 

[Myles]

3 hours ago, BProland85 said:

This tells me yet again we have a major coaching problem. I don’t believe for a second guys like Ngakoue, Braden Smith, Ryan Kelly, and Deforest Buckner all of a sudden just forgot how to play football. They have all shown they are very good players not long ago. 

Frank needs to get control of the team, coaches included.   The head coach needs to fix these issues.  

[Dark Superman]

The Colts should have traded Kenny Moore for Yannick. The fact Gus Bradley continues to sit Isaiah Rodgers on the bench over two guys he's clearly better than makes me so damn mad. Yannick announcing he only weighs 235 pounds is very alarming since he plays DE. No wonder the guy can't get to the QB.

[MikeCurtis]

4 hours ago, holeymoley99 said:

Facyson is grading better then Rock and Yannick an upgrade over AQM...plus Gilmore an upgrade over Rhodes. Seems like we did quite well overall player wise.

In the long run I hope you are right

 

So far......Yannick was brought in to get sacks and pressures.....   he has 0 sacks so far.....  and 2 "hurries"

 

Thats mucho dinero

 

 

 

 

[MPStack]

2 hours ago, Moosejawcolt said:

There's a reason why he can't stick with a team 

Will he resort back to his old self, if things continue to not go well… 

[masterlock]

5 hours ago, Chrisaaron1023 said:

I was kinda stunned when we traded him.. now I'm REALLY stunned lol. We can't pressure anyone. Then I watch the bills last night pressure AND stop the run with only 4 

I'm starting to wonder whether the Colts just have bad position coaches. At some point, you have to ask why talented players are playing below their level of talent. If you've got a position coach teaching the wrong techniques, and instilling the wrong habits,, then that would explain some of it.

[jbaron04]

5 hours ago, MikeCurtis said:

Thats right, but Yannick is being handled one on one.......

 

We need sacks on 3rd and 4 as well as sacks on 3rd and 15

 

We have MANY .... VERY HIGH paid players that are underplaying their contract significantly

 

Thats how you lose in the NFL

 

When your "STARS" as just another average player........

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He is not a von miller type player who is an every down game wrecker. Simple a guy that gets 8 sacks a season 

[ShuteAt168]

The Yannick trade was as brilliant as drafting a DL with a torn Achilles in the second round. It’s truly Smartest Guy in the Room tactics. 

[MPStack]

1 hour ago, ShuteAt168 said:

The Yannick trade was as brilliant as drafting a DL with a torn Achilles in the second round. It’s truly Smartest Guy in the Room tactics. 

Or trading down to take

Rock, instead of staying put and taking Montez Sweat. 
 

[Dark Superman]

18 hours ago, ShuteAt168 said:

The Yannick trade was as brilliant as drafting a DL with a torn Achilles in the second round. It’s truly Smartest Guy in the Room tactics. 

Ballard loves spending those second round picks on those defensive linemen. This time he traded away the Colts best corner at the time for another DE that he has to pay $13 million too. At least guys like Dayo, Lewis, Banogu, are playing for basically nothing, but still so frustrating. It's even worse when you have Gus Bradley who thinks playing Kenny Moore and Facyson over Isaiah Rodgers makes the defense better.

[Dingus McGirt]

On 9/20/2022 at 8:12 AM, MikeCurtis said:

Thats right, but Yannick is being handled one on one.......

 

We need sacks on 3rd and 4 as well as sacks on 3rd and 15

 

We have MANY .... VERY HIGH paid players that are underplaying their contract significantly

 

Thats how you lose in the NFL

 

When your "STARS" as just another average player........

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They got the $$$, and now they’re coasting.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Teams have been throwing quickly so no pressure and he isn’t a edge setter. He will get there. He has been consistant and Bradley knows him.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

19 hours ago, masterlock said:

I'm starting to wonder whether the Colts just have bad position coaches. At some point, you have to ask why talented players are playing below their level of talent. If you've got a position coach teaching the wrong techniques, and instilling the wrong habits,, then that would explain some of it.

I mostly agree. But Yannick has been with Bradley for years. He knows how to use him. Teams are throwing short and quick so no pressure.

[Jack86]

Yannick will get his, he was never going to be an impact player every game.

 

He’ll feast in some games. 

 

Go Colts

[MPStack]

4 minutes ago, Jack86 said:

Yannick will get his, he was never going to be an impact player every game.

 

He’ll feast in some games. 

 

Go Colts

I can’t keep wondering who will be his 6th team. 

[Thunderbolt]

Yannick needs to step up and get some needed sacks quick, otherwise he'll be heading on to his 4th or 5th team.

[GoColts8818]

I was never a fan of the Yannick move.  If he was so good teams wouldn’t get ride of him every year.

[MPStack]

21 minutes ago, Thunderbolt said:

Yannick needs to step up and get some needed sacks quick, otherwise he'll be heading on to his 4th or 5th team.

The Colts are his 5th team. His first team, the Jaguars laying the smack down last week, it’s only a matter of time before he has another meltdown. Fortunately, the locker room is in a better place for players like him now.