Why would an owner entrust Luck's Prime to Chuck Pagano

[colts8718]

5 minutes ago, Cynjin said:

 

You don't get a lot of things.

 

7 minutes ago, YourNextGM said:

I still don't get why we used a 1st rnder on Phillip Dorsett. 

Grigson still can not figure out that one

[jvan1973]

Preseason is an absolute representation of how the regular season will go down.   Ask all of the 0-4 manning led teams

[pgt_rob]

The Eagles are just a good team and we're getting owned by them. I don't understand all the penalties because we aren't improving. They look like they've been out drinking all night and just don't feel up to playing a good game tonight.

[jvan1973]

1 minute ago, colts8718 said:

 

Grigson still can not figure out that one

I'm guessing you didn't watch U  of M much.  Dorsett was a stud

[colts8718]

Just now, jvan1973 said:

I'm guessing you didn't watch U  of M much.  Dorsett was a stud

Yes he was but with no offensive line he will turn into a dud

[YourNextGM]

39 minutes ago, MB-ColtsFan said:

When you figure out how to resolve the injury issue you just let us all know, okay?  much appreciated. 

I'd start with the coach and gm.  Maybe if the culture changed,  we'd be more durable.  

[masters1]

17 minutes ago, jbaron04 said:

I understand you want to out your vest foot forward in every game.  But we not trying to win the preseason championship. We need this time to get the young guys reps to evaluate etc... 

Totally disagree and so does Rick Venturi, a 34 year coach. Like he says, when it's 1's against 1's, it does mean something, especially when your team is out hit, out hustled, out talented and your team continues to commit so many unnecessary penalties. And I'm tired of listening to Pagano say he has to get the penalty situation cleaned up and nothing changes. Apparently you didn't see regular season games last year against Buffalo, Jax, Pittsburgh and a few others where the Colts didn't bother to show up. This is becoming a trend under Pagano and I think we will see more of the same in the regular season. Whenever the Colts play a strong, aggressive front 7 def, they simply can't handle it. I agree with the OP.

[Dudley Smith]

Philly seems like they were really opening up the playbook on offense while Colts were playing pretty vanilla defensively. Combined with so many injuries it isn't a surprise that Sam Bradford looked like Tom Brady.

 

I do admit the offensive line struggles were a bit discouraging. After playing so well against the Ravens I expected better effort, especially from AC who looked dreadful tonight. The good news is there are two weeks before Detroit comes to play. However, as others have pointed out, it is still pre-season. Just hate seeing Luck taking those awkward hits after last year.

[Jules]

Irsay has his new yellow Prince guitar though so all is good.  

 

[backshoulderfade]

Hey, you guys. How are you finding this preseason stuff. I mean, it seems a lot of you are new to preseason.

[MB-ColtsFan]

Just now, YourNextGM said:

I'd start with the coach and gm.  Maybe if the culture changed,  we'd be more durable.  

So you're saying the players are getting hurt because their coach is a nice guy??

 

The Eagles did practice a lot harder than most of the league a couple of years ago and they didn't have as many injuries, but I haven't heard of anything definitive regarding a correlation between the two. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

2 minutes ago, Jules said:

Irsay has his new yellow Prince guitar though so all is good.  

 

He also has a Lombardi which a lot of owners don't.

[jbaron04]

27 minutes ago, BOTT said:

There is no excuse for the offensive line play and stupid penalties (again).  I'm not ready to jump,off a bridge, but they have to do better than that.

Yes I agree oline was not good , and penalties needs to be cleaned up 

[JPFolks]

1 hour ago, YourNextGM said:

It's going to be a long yr brothers and sisters.  

You're right about the seasonb.. but as for why he's trusting Pagano, it's the same reason he's trusting Grigson.  There really weren't better options available, so you keep what you have.  If he wants, he can fire either or both tomorrow, so it's not like a guaranteed contract against the salary cap, sure he might have to eat some money, but the dude can never spend what he has, so if someone is better and available, he's free to hire them whenever he wants.   Who would you have hired this offseason that would be better? I mean I am not saying Pagano or Grigson are great, I just don't see any proven replacements on the open market.  

[colts8718]

12 minutes ago, masters1 said:

Totally disagree and so does Rick Venturi, a 34 year coach. Like he says, when it's 1's against 1's, it does mean something, especially when your team is out hit, out hustled, out talented and your team continues to commit so many unnecessary penalties. And I'm tired of listening to Pagano say he has to get the penalty situation cleaned up and nothing changes. Apparently you didn't see regular season games last year against Buffalo, Jax, Pittsburgh and a few others where the Colts didn't bother to show up. This is becoming a trend under Pagano and I think we will see more of the same in the regular season. Whenever the Colts play a strong, aggressive front 7 def, they simply can't handle it. I agree with the OP.

[colts8718]

4 minutes ago, JPFolks said:

You're right about the seasonb.. but as for why he's trusting Pagano, it's the same reason he's trusting Grigson.  There really weren't better options available, so you keep what you have.  If he wants, he can fire either or both tomorrow, so it's not like a guaranteed contract against the salary cap, sure he might have to eat some money, but the dude can never spend what he has, so if someone is better and available, he's free to hire them whenever he wants.   Who would you have hired this offseason that would be better? I mean I am not saying Pagano or Grigson are great, I just don't see any proven replacements on the open market.  

Good point and there was not much to pick from I have been saying for to many years these guy's are clueless

[csmopar]

Op, You're  gm of what team exactly? That's what I thought.... none. Go away troll

[jvan1973]

25 minutes ago, YourNextGM said:

I'd start with the coach and gm.  Maybe if the culture changed,  we'd be more durable.  

I'm not sure you understand the human body

[jvan1973]

21 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

He also has a Lombardi which a lot of owners don't.

Sad fans have a short memory.

[jvan1973]

25 minutes ago, Jules said:

Irsay has his new yellow Prince guitar though so all is good.  

 

Yeah,   anyway,   We're talking about things that relate to football

[Colts_Fan12]

My gosh atleast wait til the regular season to panic if we suck after that then please be my guest but not after a preseason game 

[GoColts8818]

1.  It's pre-season.  Never get too excited or too worried about what you see in a pre-season game.

 

2.  They started two rookies and a second year player who moved to a new position on the line.  To think there aren't going to be hiccups along the way is unrealistic.

[BOTT]

21 minutes ago, JPFolks said:

You're right about the seasonb.. but as for why he's trusting Pagano, it's the same reason he's trusting Grigson.  There really weren't better options available, so you keep what you have.  If he wants, he can fire either or both tomorrow, so it's not like a guaranteed contract against the salary cap, sure he might have to eat some money, but the dude can never spend what he has, so if someone is better and available, he's free to hire them whenever he wants.   Who would you have hired this offseason that would be better? I mean I am not saying Pagano or Grigson are great, I just don't see any proven replacements on the open market.  

No better options?  That's certainly debateable lol

[deedub75]

1 hour ago, jbaron04 said:

Lol we not calling our playing or showing our hand. It's preseason bro relax . how many teams, look bad or good in preseason, and go to the season and do well or bad 

 

So we just put Luck out there to get killed?  We have been dealt a very poor hand.  

[NorthernBlue]

38 minutes ago, YourNextGM said:

I'd start with the coach and gm.  Maybe if the culture changed,  we'd be more durable.  

That's not how durability works

[deedub75]

3 minutes ago, BOTT said:

No better options?  That's certainly debateable lol

 

I'm sure there were better options out there before Irsay decided to pair a rookie coach and a rookie GM.  

 

[RockThatBlue]

43 minutes ago, colts8718 said:

 

Grigson still can not figure out that one

Dorsett has looked fine this preseason. Not sure what games you've been watching. Dorsett isn't even close to being a problem.

[IndyScribe]

6 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

1.  It's pre-season.  Never get too excited or too worried about what you see in a pre-season game.

 

2.  They started two rookies and a second year player who moved to a new position on the line.  To think there aren't going to be hiccups along the way is unrealistic.

I think you mean one rookie on the O-Line(Kelly). Other than that, yeah, I agree.

[RockThatBlue]

8 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said:

My gosh atleast wait til the regular season to panic if we suck after that then please be my guest but not after a preseason game 

I agree bro. It would be news if we didn't look terrible in preseason

 

[deedub75]

1 hour ago, jbaron04 said:

Bro it's preseason nobody cares , I'm looking for the young guys, like green and etc..... 

 

That same team the played so poorly against the Eagles last year in the preseason was the same team that showed up in last year's season opener.  Preseason doesn't count but it does matter.

[GoColts8818]

1 minute ago, IndyScribe said:

I think you mean one rookie on the O-Line(Kelly). Other than that, yeah, I agree.

They started Clark tonight because of the injury to reitz.

[jameszeigler834]

1 hour ago, backshoulderfade said:

3 play off appearances, 3 playoff wins, getting to a conference championship game. All in the first four years as a head coach.

 

Go take a year. Be a Browns fan. Come back and tell us how you feel.

We haven't won because Pagano is terrible and the GM is too.

[Ratking]

So let me get this straight... Its preseason.. so I shouldn't be worried that Luck dropped back 21 times and was hit 9 times....when he missed a good part of last season because of an injury. And I shouldn't worry about the defense because we have injuries.....cause Vontae (and others) are just gonna magically come back after a month and not miss a step right.... 

[Iancolts]

This is not the first preseason game.  This is the dress rehearsal for our staring unit.  I knew we were gonna lose this game missing too many dfense players.  But for the offensive to play two quarters of football like that is very concerning.  I'm not asking for Luck and compmay to go out and dominate a game that doesn't matter.  But damn can we please show some consistency!!  And key word we were missing mostly all defense not our offense!!!  We brought in big name coaches for this?  

[deedub75]

1 hour ago, jbaron04 said:

I understand you want to out your vest foot forward in every game.  But we not trying to win the preseason championship. We need this time to get the young guys reps to evaluate etc... 

 

It's not just about getting the young guys reps.  If that were the case then the starters would never play.  It's about building some continuity with the starters and trying to find what units work together.  The days of preseason not mattering for the Colts ended with Manning left.  

[SaturdayAllDay]

18 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

I'm not sure you understand the human body

No you don't understand!!  Clearly the human body is more or less susceptible to injuries based on the whims of our bosses.  

#insidejob 

(obviously sarcasm)  

[SaturdayAllDay]

So guys, as I was walking from my car to my home tonight, something small fell from above and hit my head.

IM PRETTY SURE THE SKY IS FALLING!!!! EVERYBODY PANIC!!!! 

[deedub75]

1 minute ago, Iancolts said:

This is not the first preseason game.  This is the dress rehearsal for our staring unit.  I knew we were gonna lose this game missing too many dfense players.  But for the offensive to play two quarters of football like that is very concerning.  I'm not asking for Luck and compmay to go out and dominate a game that doesn't matter.  But damn can we please show some consistency!!  And key word we were missing mostly all defense not our offense!!!  We brought in big name coaches for this?  

 

I agree but big name coaches can only do so much with the players that we have.  I was at the game and I was afraid for Luck on every snap.  After getting beaten up last season, the pocket pressure has to be getting to him. No starting QB should be getting roughed up this much in the preseason.  

[2006Coltsbestever]

I cant believe there is this much negativity after a Pre-season game loss. I would hate to see a thread if the unthinkable happens and we lose to the Lions. This thread has been pure comedy I will give it that.

[RockThatBlue]

8 minutes ago, Ratking said:

So let me get this straight... Its preseason.. so I shouldn't be worried that Luck dropped back 21 times and was hit 9 times....when he missed a good part of last season because of an injury. And I shouldn't worry about the defense because we have injuries.....cause Vontae (and others) are just gonna magically come back after a month and not miss a step right.... 

No defense would look good with 7 injured cornerbacks. And with their best pass rusher not playing.