BJoern

[Dark Superman]

Didn't see the game yesterday but how is he progressing?

Is his pass rushing getting any better?

On the TD TO Fitzgerald it looked like Mathis and Werner were in the back field about to sack Palmer before he got the ball off..

If it was Werner, he looked a little bit more explosive..

[arkana04]

he's having a hard time playing in a 3-4 ill say that much. 

[a06cc]

Werner did okay for a rookie. They had him drop in coverage and played him on both sides yesterday. Was a half step slow on pressure. Needs to get off line faster, he could've had 2 sacks yesterday

[Imped]

He's not sticking out......

[1959Colts]

In yesterdays game they had Bjoern lining up at nose tackle, and then Werner would drop back into coverage.

Brilliant!

[basketballsteve]

Very Pedestrian, had one nice pass defended, I've not yet seen him set a hard edge, he fast enough to chase down a runner from the back side when the run goes away from him if he can get off his blocker which he rarely does.

[Darryl C. Patrick]

Its really interesting to see how no one criticizes or berates this guy in ANY way like the way it was done with Jerry Hughes when he was a rook...this guy has been just as much a NON-factor as he was, AND hes injured alot. Two qualities that spell First round BUST all over it. But...he gets a pass...very interesting.

 

[Dark Superman]

Thanks!

[Coltswarriors]

I thought he actually played OK yesterday. Struggles against the run, did pretty good in coverage, however.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

The Bjoern Identity has yet to find his Identity on the field...

[OffensivelyPC]

The Bjoern Identity has yet to find his Identity on the field...

lol wow.  That was pretty bad.  But damn it made me laugh.

[CjMcGirt23]

It's funny that he's a 4-3 end trying to adjust to the 3-4 OLB yet he looks more comfortable (and better) at dropping back rather than pass rushing.

[NewEra]

Hard to single him out or criticize him when the defense sucks as a whole. The guys still a rookie for Pete sake

[kjyb]

Didn't see the game yesterday but how is he progressing?

Is his pass rushing getting any better?

On the TD TO Fitzgerald it looked like Mathis and Werner were in the back field about to sack Palmer before he got the ball off..

If it was Werner, he looked a little bit more explosive..

i agree i seen the game he got a lot better but he need to have a motor he often give up on plays

[MTC]

Didn't see the game yesterday but how is he progressing?

Is his pass rushing getting any better?

On the TD TO Fitzgerald it looked like Mathis and Werner were in the back field about to sack Palmer before he got the ball off..

If it was Werner, he looked a little bit more explosive..

 

He looked horrible yesterday. Had no pass rush and inconsistent against the run. Did make a nice breakup in the redzone.

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

I saw some pressure, nice play to break up a sure TD pass. I think he is still trying to get comfortable. not there yet but taking baby steps. Surly not the reason for the lose yesterday! He reminds me of Ryan Kearrigan

[Coffeedrinker]

Its really interesting to see how no one criticizes or berates this guy in ANY way like the way it was done with Jerry Hughes when he was a rook...this guy has been just as much a NON-factor as he was, AND hes injured alot. Two qualities that spell First round BUST all over it. But...he gets a pass...very interesting.

That's because Werner is playing behind Mathis and Walden, Hughes only had to play behind Mathis and Freeney.  Also Hughes was drafted by Polian in a draft where many people thought the Colts should have drafted a WR.  Werner was drafted by Grigson and everything he does is golden.

 

You will learn that kind of stuff when you post here long enough.

[buccolts]

Its really interesting to see how no one criticizes or berates this guy in ANY way like the way it was done with Jerry Hughes when he was a rook...this guy has been just as much a NON-factor as he was, AND hes injured alot. Two qualities that spell First round BUST all over it. But...he gets a pass...very interesting.

 

No audience here. They're all Bills fans now(?).

[Tomy]

Its really interesting to see how no one criticizes or berates this guy in ANY way like the way it was done with Jerry Hughes when he was a rook...this guy has been just as much a NON-factor as he was, AND hes injured alot. Two qualities that spell First round BUST all over it. But...he gets a pass...very interesting.

 

Huh??? 

[JoKeR]

1 play I remember was a defended pass, Werner was horizontal and just barely tipped the ball away. He's not playing like a pro bowler but he looks promising.

[JoKeR]

Its really interesting to see how no one criticizes or berates this guy in ANY way like the way it was done with Jerry Hughes when he was a rook...this guy has been just as much a NON-factor as he was, AND hes injured alot. Two qualities that spell First round BUST all over it. But...he gets a pass...very interesting.

That's because Werner actually makes plays.

[BOTT]

Its really interesting to see how no one criticizes or berates this guy in ANY way like the way it was done with Jerry Hughes when he was a rook...this guy has been just as much a NON-factor as he was, AND hes injured alot. Two qualities that spell First round BUST all over it. But...he gets a pass...very interesting.

Good grief, let it go.

[Cynjin]

It's funny that he's a 4-3 end trying to adjust to the 3-4 OLB yet he looks more comfortable (and better) at dropping back rather than pass rushing.

 

I agree, also he doesn't seem to be strong enough at the point of attack.  Maybe he is just hesitant and thinking too much instead of reacting. 

[SkyBane]

I agree, also he doesn't seem to be strong enough at the point of attack. Maybe he is just hesitant and thinking too much instead of reacting.

Probably this. Werner was always going to be a bit of a project pick at the NFL level, and getting an injury and missing a few games just slowed that development down a bit. I think another offseason and some playing time next year should see him turn the corner as he gets more comfortable with the speed of the game and his new position.

[Bleedin Blue]

I saw him about a half-step away from Palmer on a number of snaps.  He's a rookie.  I think next year is really when we should start judging his growth.  Right now he's just battling.  He needs to get a little stronger.  He's got the frame to do it. 

[Cynjin]

Probably this. Werner was always going to be a bit of a project pick at the NFL level, and getting an injury and missing a few games just slowed that development down a bit. I think another offseason and some playing time next year should see him turn the corner as he gets more comfortable with the speed of the game and his new position.

 

 

I hope you are right.  The Colts need to generate more of a pass rush than they have, even with Mathis' sack total.

[SkyBane]

I hope you are right. The Colts need to generate more of a pass rush than they have, even with Mathis' sack total.

Mathis' s sack number is decieving. A lot of them were coverage sacks where the secondary played so tight the QB just ran out of time.

That obviously hasnt been the case since the bye week, but the point is the pass rush was never much good.

[coltsfanatic24]

He showed flashes vs the Cards he just need more reps. At some point we probably will have to go back to the 4-3. We can still play man coverage like the Raiders use to be known for with Nnmadi instead of Tampa 2.

 

Redding and RJF at DT

 

Mathis and Werner at DE

 

Freeman, Conner, and Walden as the LB's

 

We would be a better defense and have a much better pass rush because our NT's cant rush the passer.

[Balzer40]

He showed flashes vs the Cards he just need more reps. At some point we probably will have to go back to the 4-3. We can still play man coverage like the Raiders use to be known for with Nnmadi instead of Tampa 2.

 

Redding and RJF at DT

 

Mathis and Werner at DE

 

Freeman, Conner, and Walden as the LB's

 

We would be a better defense and have a much better pass rush because our NT's cant rush the passer.

 

 

 

Were not going back to the 4-3 as long as Pagano is here. That's a guarantee! I for one am glad, Not a big fan of a 4-3 defense, we just need more talent for the 3-4, we don't need to switch back.

[jameszeigler834]

He showed flashes vs the Cards he just need more reps. At some point we probably will have to go back to the 4-3. We can still play man coverage like the Raiders use to be known for with Nnmadi instead of Tampa 2.

 

Redding and RJF at DT

 

Mathis and Werner at DE

 

Freeman, Conner, and Walden as the LB's

 

We would be a better defense and have a much better pass rush because our NT's cant rush the passer.

The heck with the 4-3 that system sucked worst than this one we just need the right players that can play a 3-4 defense.

[SkyBane]

The heck with the 4-3 that system sucked worst than this one we just need the right players that can play a 3-4 defense.

What the Colts ran for years wasnt a true 4-3. It was a variation based on undersized but speedy players in zone schemes called Tampa 2.

[GoColts8818]

He's much closer to Hughes as a rookie than Freeney as a rookie right now. 

[coltsfanatic24]

The heck with the 4-3 that system sucked worst than this one we just need the right players that can play a 3-4 defense.

Dungy ran a simple 4-3  Tampa 2 zone rarely played man or blitz and the players were undersized. What i'm talking about is what the Seahawks and Panthers run, 4-3 over, 4-3 under.

 

We can still play man coverage but having a NT on the team is really hurting the pass rush.

Also having 3 lb's that can run will be better at stopping the run. Werner would be great as a 4-3 DE he's not a OLB. If we did fire Manusky and go to the 4-3 over and under i would consider drafting Will Sutton.

[OLD FAN MAN]

He showed flashes vs the Cards he just need more reps. At some point we probably will have to go back to the 4-3. We can still play man coverage like the Raiders use to be known for with Nnmadi instead of Tampa 2.

 

Redding and RJF at DT

 

Mathis and Werner at DE

 

Freeman, Conner, and Walden as the LB's

 

We would be a better defense and have a much better pass rush because our NT's cant rush the passer.

also our nts cant stop the run, or collapse the pocket

[coltsfanatic24]

also our nts cant stop the run, or collapse the pocket

 

Yeah that too...Nt's are a waste unless you have a Hof type player like Wilfork, Hampton, and Ngata it doesn't work.  Were better off as a 4-3 under team.

[chad hugo]

he's a work in progress, going towards the way of chris long, late bloomer i hope 

[MaoBerry]

^{Should've went with larry warford with that pick. I never liked our decision to go with with guy.}

[husker61]

it's extremely tough to really see what is going on watching the game on line, but i thought the line played pretty well. they were getting good pressure, but all the secondary was absolutely terrible! palmer was getting rid of the ball fast to open recievers and took hits right after releasing the ball.

[Jason_]

also our nts cant stop the run, or collapse the pocket

 

our NT's are doing their job the majority of the time.  The runs up the middle are largely on the ILB's or the safeties.  Chapman was a half step from a sack on Palmer.  

[Jason_]

Yeah that too...Nt's are a waste unless you have a Hof type player like Wilfork, Hampton, and Ngata it doesn't work.  Were better off as a 4-3 under team.

 

well fortunately the Colts rarely have a NT on the field in long yardage passing situations.  they put in a 4 man front with Mathis and Werner/Walden on the ends with some combination of RJF, Redding, Matthews, Moala in the middle DT spots.