Sick of Gregg Doyel

[NorthernBlue]

Gregg Doyel is the Skip Bayless of Indy media

[DaColts85]

Just now, NorthernBlue said:

Gregg Doyel is the Skip Bayless of Indy media

Not a huge fan of Skip Bayless but Doyel is far worse than Bayless...lol

[NewColtsFan]

45 minutes ago, RockThatBlue said:

https://amp.indystar.com/amp/1034425001#click=https://t.co/A38dKssAVT

 

Its truly terrible.

 

Here's a review from a journalists point of view.

 

There's nothing wrong with it.    Doyle has his facts and he used them well.   He was a little over the top but most columnists are.   

 

Doyle notes that Belichick is the exception to the rule when it comes to coaches who lose their first go around and then become winners.    Except he forgets Pete Carroll who did ok in NE and got fired and then had one season with the Jets and got fired after one year.   Pat Schumur had a losing go around in Cleveland and is about to be hired.   I'm sure there are others.   

 

And lets not overlook this...   a good number of teams wanted McDaniels this year.   Ballard isn't alone in being willing to give him another chance.   I think this was not a great class of coaching candidates.   I don't have a real problem with McDaniels.

 

But...   on balance I thought it was a reasonable column.   If you're not a Colts fan and you happen to read it, there's nothing wrong with it.   But I'll close with this...  I'd like to be there when Doyle and McDaniels first meet!    THAT should be interesting!      

 

[chrisfarley]

Doyel is all about sensationalism -- from the first day I heard him while driving and listening to Dakich (many moons ago), while he (Doyel) was at CBS Sports , I could tell it was all about getting reactions and trying to move the needle.  Everything he says has to be taken with a grain of salt, filtered, then assessed.  Every so often there is something worthwhile coming out of his "reporting" that could be considered concrete, the balance of the time, it's hyperbole.

[hoosierhawk]

 I'd like to be there when Doyle and McDaniels first meet!    THAT should be interesting!      

 

Why in the world would you like to see a confrontation between a brand new Colt coach and a jerk sports writer. Not a great first impression of the city by the new coach and no need for him to be confronted with this just starting off. 

[stitches]

3 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Here's a review from a journalists point of view.

 

There's nothing wrong with it.    Doyle has his facts and he used them well.   He was a little over the top but most columnists are.   

 

Doyle notes that Belichick is the exception to the rule when it comes to coaches who lose their first go around and then become winners.    Except he forgets Pete Carroll who did ok in NE and got fired and then had one season with the Jets and got fired after one year.   Pat Schumur had a losing go around in Cleveland and is about to be hired.   I'm sure there are others.   

 

And lets not overlook this...   a good number of teams wanted McDaniels this year.   Ballard isn't alone in being willing to give him another chance.   I think this was not a great class of coaching candidates.   I don't have a real problem with McDaniels.

 

But...   on balance I thought it was a reasonable column.   If you're not a Colts fan and you happen to read it, there's nothing wrong with it.   But I'll close with this...  I'd like to be there when Doyle and McDaniels first meet!    THAT should be interesting!      

 

My problem with it is that he treats this hire like it's happening in January of 2011 after he's been fired by Denver. His faults are forever and irredeemable, his wins and successes are momentary and due to luck and/or everybody else but himself. It's an extremely slanted/trollish article. I would like to know if anybody would want to be judged like that - take the worst parts of your professional experience, ignore everything good? Is this how Doyel himself would like to be judged? 

[NewColtsFan]

20 minutes ago, stitches said:

My problem with it is that he treats this hire like it's happening in January of 2011 after he's been fired by Denver. His faults are forever and irredeemable, his wins and successes are momentary and due to luck and/or everybody else but himself. It's an extremely slanted/trollish article. I would like to know if anybody would want to be judged like that - take the worst parts of your professional experience, ignore everything good? Is this how Doyel himself would like to be judged? 

 

Yes......    agreed.      Very good points by you.    I had the same thoughts.    No one wants to be judged on their worst days.     Really good post.

 

[Mel Kiper's Hair]

5 hours ago, stitches said:

My problem with it is that he treats this hire like it's happening in January of 2011 after he's been fired by Denver. His faults are forever and irredeemable, his wins and successes are momentary and due to luck and/or everybody else but himself. It's an extremely slanted/trollish article. I would like to know if anybody would want to be judged like that - take the worst parts of your professional experience, ignore everything good? Is this how Doyel himself would like to be judged? 

 

I think it is every true Colts fans' hope that the team restores its' winning ways, Coach McDaniels leads us to multiple Super Bowls, and Mr. Doyel has to eat crow.

[JColts72]

Does Doyel know Josh personally to call him a punk? If I was Josh, I go all Joe Pesci from Casino or Goodfellas on him; this is meant for laughs here. He must be annoyed as proclaimed Toub was going to be the HC. I would get RB at 3 in draft as can create many different matchups.

[Gramz]

1. I don't live in Indy, don't get the Indy papers, so I had no clue who he is, or what he writes. 

 

And for the record, I get the majority of my Indy news right here on the Forum.   For me, it's the best place to stay up to date on what's going on.

So.....

to those of you who are very knowlegeable about the goings on, I say thank you for keeping me informed.  

[JColts72]

1 minute ago, Gramz said:

1. I don't live in Indy, don't get the Indy papers, so I had no clue who he is, or what he writes. 

 

And for the record, I get the majority of my Indy news right here on the Forum.   For me, it's the best place to stay up to date on what's going on.

So.....

to those of you who are very knowlegeable about the goings on, I say thank you for keeping me informed.  

I live on East Coast, but check Indy Star online.

[JColts72]

7 hours ago, hoosierhawk said:

 I'd like to be there when Doyle and McDaniels first meet!    THAT should be interesting!      

 

Why in the world would you like to see a confrontation between a brand new Colt coach and a jerk sports writer. Not a great first impression of the city by the new coach and no need for him to be confronted with this just starting off. 

Will be something if he's the first person to ask Josh a question. Will Josh go Ryan Leaf on him or be programmed for Q & A?

[aaron11]

2 minutes ago, Gramz said:

1. I don't live in Indy, don't get the Indy papers, so I had no clue who he is, or what he writes. 

 

And for the record, I get the majority of my Indy news right here on the Forum.   For me, it's the best place to stay up to date on what's going on.

So.....

to those of you who are very knowlegeable about the goings on, I say thank you for keeping me informed.  

hes also at post game interviews if you ever watch those

 

hes the one asking ridiculous questions that chuck never answered 

[Dr. T]

Are there any old time posters here who used to refer to the Star as "Rats" (Star in reverse)? At that time, there were no Colts fan forms set up by the team and all we had was the "Rats" online forum!

[Four2itus]

1 hour ago, Dr. T said:

Are there any old time posters here who used to refer to the Star as "Rats" (Star in reverse)? At that time, there were no Colts fan forms set up by the team and all we had was the "Rats" online forum!

I remember. 

[LJpalmbeacher2]

Anyone saying anything negative about the Colts IS A JERK!!

 

[mahagga73]

23 hours ago, chad72 said:

 

Everyone has their agenda and reason. Didn't Jason Whitlock rag on the Colts because he was a big Jeff George fan and didn't like how the Colts treated him? I am not sure what the root of Doyel's saltiness is though.

Whitlock was on George HS team wasn't he ? 

[mahagga73]

8 hours ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

Anyone saying anything negative about the Colts IS A JERK!!

 

Embarrassing small market mentality.  

[buccolts]

11 hours ago, Dr. T said:

Are there any old time posters here who used to refer to the Star as "Rats" (Star in reverse)? At that time, there were no Colts fan forms set up by the team and all we had was the "Rats" online forum!

I was on that forum, but I don't remember "rats".

Probably a ME problem. 

[crazycolt1]

8 minutes ago, buccolts said:

I was on that forum, but I don't remember "rats".

Probably a ME problem. 

That's what happens when we get old.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

On 1/17/2018 at 3:29 AM, NewColtsFan said:

 

Here's a review from a journalists point of view.

 

There's nothing wrong with it.    Doyle has his facts and he used them well.   He was a little over the top but most columnists are.   

 

Doyle notes that Belichick is the exception to the rule when it comes to coaches who lose their first go around and then become winners.    Except he forgets Pete Carroll who did ok in NE and got fired and then had one season with the Jets and got fired after one year.   Pat Schumur had a losing go around in Cleveland and is about to be hired.   I'm sure there are others.   

 

And lets not overlook this...   a good number of teams wanted McDaniels this year.   Ballard isn't alone in being willing to give him another chance.   I think this was not a great class of coaching candidates.   I don't have a real problem with McDaniels.

 

But...   on balance I thought it was a reasonable column.   If you're not a Colts fan and you happen to read it, there's nothing wrong with it.   But I'll close with this...  I'd like to be there when Doyle and McDaniels first meet!    THAT should be interesting!      

 

 

NCF, I enjoy and appreciate your posts a lot, but as a journalist myself (out of the trade now), I personally think that your defense of Doyel is misguided in this case. Sure, he might note a couple of facts, but then he write this: 

 

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And I still can’t believe this is happening. Can’t believe McDaniels will soon be hired by the Colts, and entrusted with Andrew Luck. Can’t believe he was the hottest commodity on the coaching market this fall. McDaniels is Lane Kiffin to me, an arrogant young punk who ascended rapidly after Daddy got him a cherry first job in coaching – McDaniels’ father, Ohio high school legend Thom McDaniels, was friends with Nick Saban, who hired Josh as a grad assistant at Michigan State in 1999 – and who kept getting promoted to the point of failure.

 

I know that is a column, an opinion to stir up things, but that piece of misguided rage is just unacceptable in my book, sorry. I would tell him to either get in controls of his rampant emotions, or find another job. And I'm what most would call a "soft" guy. 

[NewColtsFan]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Irrelevant said:

 

NCF, I enjoy and appreciate your posts a lot, but as a journalist myself (out of the trade now), I personally think that your defense of Doyel is misguided in this case. Sure, he might note a couple of facts, but then he write this: 

 

 

I know that is a column, an opinion to stir up things, but that piece of misguided rage is just unacceptable in my book, sorry. I would tell him to either get in controls of his rampant emotions, or find another job. And I'm what most would call a "soft" guy. 

 

His writing style is not mine.    And it's not the style that most sports writers use.

 

But Doyle isn't alone in his very aggressive dramatic style.    I wasn't comfortable with it,  but he's not unique this way.   He's not a unicorn.   Plenty of columnists write this way to try and generate reactions and clicks and so forth...  

 

Believe me,  I wasn't trying to say I like it,  or enjoyed it,  or even agreed with it.    I didn't.    Just that I didn't find it so objectionable that the man should lose his credential, which is a popular sentiment in this thread discussion.

 

By the way,   I'm mostly out of the business as well.    I've got some connections to some work still....   but not much.

 

I'm mostly a bystander these days.       So, how is it you've been here so long and this is the first time I'm learning you were a journalist before?     I'm sorry you didn't share that sooner.      Please feel free to contact me privately.    I'd love to learn about your years in the business.     I'll bet you have GREAT stories to tell.    And I'd love to read them all!

 

Just send me a private message here....    and if you need more room,  I'll send you my e-mail!

 

Thanks for reaching out.....

 

Michael

NCF

 

[crazycolt1]

Every team in the NFL has that one journalist that are always controversial and or negative  Even the Patriots have a couple. It's comes with the territory. To make a big issue out of it is feeding into what that journalist wants. Attention and hits.

Every time one of us goes to his site he gets exactly what he is wanting regardless of how you feel about him. (or her for that matter)

[Mr. Irrelevant]

20 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

His writing style is not mine.    And it's not the style that most sports writers use.

 

But Doyle isn't alone in his very aggressive dramatic style.    I wasn't comfortable with it,  but he's not unique this way.   He's not a unicorn.   Plenty of columnists write this way to try and generate reactions and clicks and so forth...  

 

Believe me,  I wasn't trying to say I like it,  or enjoyed it,  or even agreed with it.    I didn't.    Just that I didn't find it so objectionable that the man should lose his credential, which is a popular sentiment in this thread discussion.

 

By the way,   I'm mostly out of the business as well.    I've got some connections to some work still....   but not much.

 

I'm mostly a bystander these days.       So, how is it you've been here so long and this is the first time I'm learning you were a journalist before?     I'm sorry you didn't share that sooner.      Please feel free to contact me privately.    I'd love to learn about your years in the business.     I'll bet you have GREAT stories to tell.    And I'd love to read them all!

 

Just send me a private message here....    and if you need more room,  I'll send you my e-mail!

 

Thanks for reaching out.....

 

Michael

NCF

 

 

 

Ok, great post, Michael/NCF! Now I understand your post.

 

I have to work now, but will get in touch with you later. Take care! 

[shakedownstreet]

On 1/16/2018 at 1:15 PM, Fluke_33 said:

 

That's not the point.  I think we all want to be as informed as we can and he is the lead writer for the main paper that covers the team.  

 

He's not a reporter, he's a journalist

[Mr. Irrelevant]

2 minutes ago, shakedownstreet said:

 

He's not a reporter, he's a journalist

 

I resent that!  He is a professional agitator! 

[LJpalmbeacher2]

11 hours ago, mahagga73 said:

Embarrassing small market mentality.  

I was being Sarcastic. 

[John Waylon]

Doyel is the illegitimate son of Bob Kravitz and Brad Wells. 

Edited January 18, 2018 by John Waylon
Can't say "

[Dr. T]

13 hours ago, buccolts said:

I was on that forum, but I don't remember "rats".

Probably a ME problem. 

After the Rats forum, many posters left and joined the "ColtPower" site forum. Anyone remember that?

[Pacergeek]

Doyel has a good point. McDaniels has done nothing when he is away from his daddy, Bill Belichick. Fans want to ignore the Denver disaster, and assume that he has learned and improved since then. Fact is that was horrible in Denver, horrible in St Louis. 

[cbear]

Haven't read him since he was at CBS sports because I considered him a one trick pony.  I also thought he was a terrible writer.  He can't clearly articulate so he just yells. 

 

Looks like nothing has changed. 

[Myles]

Doyel is NOT a journalist.   He's a shock jock guy.  Click bait crap.   He's like Steve A Smith.   No substance.

[2006Coltsbestever]

9 minutes ago, Myles said:

Doyel is NOT a journalist.   He's a shock jock guy.  Click bait crap.   He's like Steve A Smith.   No substance.

Very true. Throw Skip Bayless in there too.