What If We See A Different Colts Team vs. The Cards?

[Myles]

On 9/12/2017 at 4:11 PM, egg said:

I think the Colts surprise and almost win, maybe even win. I believe (hope, really) the Ram's game was somewhat of a fluke in that if you remove five or six unusually bad plays: the two pick-six, the Pagano non-challenge, the safety and Vin. missing two easy kicks, and everything else stays the same, the final score would have been 30-17. Nothing to brag about, but not so horrible.

I see what you are trying to say, but if we also removed 5 or 6 bad plays by the Rams, they may have beat us worse. 

 

I think the Cardinals will win this week.   I do think it will be closer.    

[Myles]

On 9/12/2017 at 5:35 PM, SilentHill said:

 

You know, if you are going to try and educate people you should provide supporting documentation.

 

The true definition of insanity is the state of being seriously mentally ill; madness:

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=definition+of+insanity

 

What I believe @Albabywas referring to was the often misquoted Albert Einstein which people believe he said:

 

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result."

 

However this is commonly believed to be internet folklore and the actual origin appears to be a 1981 pamphlet from Narcotics Anonymous:

 

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/03/23/same/

 

 

Not sure when it was first used, but I know it was prior to 1964.    In the plant I work in, it is framed on an old picture that has been in a basement conference room since 1964.  

[King Colt]

I guess I will never grasp why some back up QBs are so terrible. I wonder what the dialogue is during practices as the coaches witness the backups throw the balls everywhere except where they should be. Hundreds of millions in salaries and some backups that are at best, a negative plug in some rosters. To me there is just too much talent available to have guys on rosters that simply cannot play the game. 

[DaColts85]

6 minutes ago, King Colt said:

I guess I will never grasp why some back up QBs are so terrible. I wonder what the dialogue is during practices as the coaches witness the backups throw the balls everywhere except where they should be. Hundreds of millions in salaries and some backups that are at best, a negative plug in some rosters. To me there is just too much talent available to have guys on rosters that simply cannot play the game. 

This is because some backups get 0 snaps in practice.  There is no evaluation because your starter is taking all the practice time.  Ask any backup who sat behind Peyton Manning....0 practice snaps while Manning was out there.

[pgt_rob]

52 minutes ago, coltsfeva said:

      If the Colts play well and win the game, why would you assume they would then play 7-8 bad games, considering they would be getting some pretty good players back? Just curious. 

       What I keep hearing is "this is Pagano's sixth year".

   But it is his first year with Ballard. I think that makes a difference in correcting the things that need to be corrected. We shall see...

 

 

 

Looking back at previous years. We would beat some good teams and then lay a fat egg on teams without QBs, etc.

[King Colt]

10 minutes ago, DaColts85 said:

This is because some backups get 0 snaps in practice.  There is no evaluation because your starter is taking all the practice time.  Ask any backup who sat behind Peyton Manning....0 practice snaps while Manning was out there.

You are right and is that not incredibly stupid? The structure of a team should include 100 % of the players. I guess I am looking for something that does not make sense in the real football world but having a player that cannot play is worse than dead weight to my thinking..

[life long]

1 hour ago, King Colt said:

I guess I will never grasp why some back up QBs are so terrible. I wonder what the dialogue is during practices as the coaches witness the backups throw the balls everywhere except where they should be. Hundreds of millions in salaries and some backups that are at best, a negative plug in some rosters. To me there is just too much talent available to have guys on rosters that simply cannot play the game. 

Because in practice against our awful passing defense Tolzien probably did look serviceable. Brock lit us up..... Pretty much any qb in the league has us circled on the schedule for a career day. It also may explain why our pass defense has been amongst the leagues worst since Tolzien started taking reps with the 1's in practice.

[Myles]

5 minutes ago, life long said:

Because in practice against our awful passing defense Tolzien probably did look serviceable. Brock lit us up..... Pretty much any qb in the league has us circled on the schedule for a career day. It also may explain why our pass defense has been the leagues worst since Tolzien started taking reps with the 1's in practice.

I agree, but you would think that having all the coached and the GM, some sort of way to judge game day play would be had.  

[Old Colt]

On 9/12/2017 at 4:51 PM, deedub75 said:

History tells us that Pagano's Colts don't seem to learn much from game to game. 

Or season to season! 

[Creekside]

1 hour ago, Myles said:

I see what you are trying to say, but if we also removed 5 or 6 bad plays by the Rams, they may have beat us worse. 

 

I think the Cardinals will win this week.   I do think it will be closer.    

 

Sure, but the plays I mentioned happen typically maybe twice a year rather than twice in a game. I didn't even mention the TY fumble, or the short field the Rams got before the half when Colts failed a 4th down rather than (normally) punt. Take that 3 points away and the final score would have been 27-17. That's without the offense converting a single third down, and the pass defense being non-existent.

[Jason_]

1 hour ago, King Colt said:

You are right and is that not incredibly stupid? The structure of a team should include 100 % of the players. I guess I am looking for something that does not make sense in the real football world but having a player that cannot play is worse than dead weight to my thinking..

 

I think a lot of it has to do with the changes that were made in the last CBA that restricted how much practice time teams are allowed to have.  Now they barely have enough practice time to get 1 QB ready, let alone 2.

[DaColts85]

15 minutes ago, J@son said:

 

I think a lot of it has to do with the changes that were made in the last CBA that restricted how much practice time teams are allowed to have.  Now they barely have enough practice time to get 1 QB ready, let alone 2.

Where I do see your point...this has been something that has happened long before the current CBA.  Again, Manning and the Colts as an example.  That was before the current CBA and limited time for anything.

[buccolts]

On 9/12/2017 at 5:18 PM, BlueShoe said:

What if my aunt had the opposite set of genitalia?

 

She would be my uncle. 

 

But would your aunt uncle know which public bathroom to use?

[NannyMcafee]

If we win, that will be because the cardinals collapse completely. Much like the jets did last year vs us. 

[Chrisaaron1023]

Same team.. they will play better than last week. But we will still lose by a couple TD's.

[ukcolt12]

Problem is we have no pass rush. If we are never getting to the QB doesn't matter how good our defensive backs are as QB will in most cases always complete a pass

[Jason_]

3 hours ago, DaColts85 said:

Where I do see your point...this has been something that has happened long before the current CBA.  Again, Manning and the Colts as an example.  That was before the current CBA and limited time for anything.

 

Well, to be fair though, the Manning/Colts example isn't really the best to use because it was the very fact they their backup was so unprepared that got the staff fired.

 

I do see your overall point though because you're right, it has been an issue for a long time, backup QB only getting a fraction of snaps with the first team during practice, but when the CBA came along and limited practice time, that made the situation exponentially worse.

[DaColts85]

3 minutes ago, J@son said:

I do see your overall point though because you're right, it has been an issue for a long time, backup QB only getting a fraction of snaps with the first team during practice, but when the CBA came along and limited practice time, that made the situation exponentially worse.

Yes!  The new CBA made a lot things worse IMO.  The constant decline in O-line play and players not fully developing like they could have.  Just my opinion but it hurts the game and the players to an extent (not physically). 

[onebad150]

4 hours ago, life long said:

Because in practice against our awful passing defense Tolzien probably did look serviceable. Brock lit us up..... Pretty much any qb in the league has us circled on the schedule for a career day. It also may explain why our pass defense has been amongst the leagues worst since Tolzien started taking reps with the 1's in practice.

SAD,,,,, but very true

[Jason_]

2 hours ago, DaColts85 said:

Yes!  The new CBA made a lot things worse IMO.  The constant decline in O-line play and players not fully developing like they could have.  Just my opinion but it hurts the game and the players to an extent (not physically). 

 

add poor tackling technique in there too.  And I agree it hurts the game, but it could be leading to injuries as well.  guys not as in shape as they could/should be...improper technique by anyone attempting a tackle or block could easily lead to injuries.  They really didn't think all that through. 

[Defjamz26]

To answer the OP, the problem is that when we see a "different " Colts team, its usually a short lived thing, so there's no reason to put stick into it. The Colts we saw last Sunday are pretty much indicative of who they are. They may beat teams like Denver and the Packers occasionally, but eventually the Colts always come back down to earth. Even if the Colts beat the Cards I wouldn't get excited.

[Colts_Fan12]

If you have Palmer or Fitz in ff start them lol 

[King Colt]

NFL Network showed the two INTs last week side by side that were  run back for TDs and they were nearly identical.

[jvan1973]

2 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

To answer the OP, the problem is that when we see a "different " Colts team, its usually a short lived thing, so there's no reason to put stick into it. The Colts we saw last Sunday are pretty much indicative of who they are. They may beat teams like Denver and the Packers occasionally, but eventually the Colts always come back down to earth. Even if the Colts beat the Cards I wouldn't get excited.

You wouldn't be excited  if the colts beat  the cards? Then why even watch the game?

[colts8718]

On 9/12/2017 at 3:09 PM, Albaby said:

I highly doubt the Colts will play well against the Cards next week.  This team won't do anything different to prepare for next week than they did against the Rams.  You know the definition of insanity is alive and well in the front office.

 

 

Its called Paganoism

[Defjamz26]

1 hour ago, jvan1973 said:

You wouldn't be excited  if the colts beat  the cards? Then why even watch the game?

I'd be excited about the win,but not excited about the rest of the season is what I meant. Them beating the Cards wouldn't change my perception of them. I still think this is a below average team.

[Albaby]

14 hours ago, Chucklez said:

You couldn't* care less 

 

Yours truly, 

The grammar Nazi

Thanks Grammar Nazi, what would I do without you?

[chrisfarley]

We've embarrassed a good # of teams at LOS, lets add another.  What's your favorite?

[gacoop1]

Same result a loss if Tolzien plays.  You might have a chance with Brissett, not saying you'll win.  At least the odds are better with Brisset than Tolzien.  I don't understand why they haven't made the decision yet.  It's not rocket scientist to try to figure this sucker out.  Pick the quarterback top start now, Pagano. Wait you're days are number anyway, you don't give a hoot......

[Chucklez]

5 hours ago, Albaby said:

Thanks Grammar Nazi, what would I do without you?

Probably live a normal, happier life .

[Jason_]

13 hours ago, Albaby said:

Thanks Grammar Nazi, what would I do without you?

 

you'd keep using common phrases incorrectly?

[Jason_]

13 hours ago, Defjamz26 said:

I'd be excited about the win,but not excited about the rest of the season is what I meant. Them beating the Cards wouldn't change my perception of them. I still think this is a below average team.

 

a well reasoned, thought out explanation.  And I'm not being the least bit sarcastic. I agree 100%.

[HarryTheCat]

11 hours ago, gacoop1 said:

Same result a loss if Tolzien plays.  You might have a chance with Brissett, not saying you'll win.  At least the odds are better with Brisset than Tolzien.  I don't understand why they haven't made the decision yet.  It's not rocket scientist to try to figure this sucker out.  Pick the quarterback top start now, Pagano. Wait you're days are number anyway, you don't give a hoot......

With Brissett now announced as the starter, our odds of winning just went up -- from 0% to something around 5%. Is he better than Pick Machine Tolzien? Sure. Is he going to come out and singlehandedly win the game for us? Ummm...no. We can only hope that poor Jacoby survives the experience with all of his organs and limbs intact. 

[indyagent17]

Playing home will help. If the defense can stop the run and manage the passing game and if we can score 21-25 points and if elves came down from the ceiling and pooped first downs for us and unicorns make their DB's fall down, We got a chance baby

[ReMeDy]

On 9/12/2017 at 3:36 PM, Archer said:

I think we'll be in the game.  You can't get any luckier than having David Johnson and DJ Humphries miss the game for the Cards.  Every year we have to relearn the facts that teams are closer in talent than we think and that you shouldn't condemn or anoint a team after one bad/great game...

 

Although I said that about us getting lucky to have the Rams week 1 and to have Aaron Donald holding out on them. That didn't get us squat.

[Archer]

28 minutes ago, ReMeDy said:

 

Although I said that about us getting lucky to have the Rams week 1 and to have Aaron Donald holding out on them. That didn't get us squat.

 

True dat!  Me too.  But I'd rather be wrong as an optimist than right as a pessimist!

[#12.]

If they do lose, sadly the season is pretty much over.  Have to find a way to stay around .500 until Luck comes back.

[2006Coltsbestever]

Hate to say but tomorrow is a must win IMO. Cant drop to 0-2. If we can get to 1-1 that is a huge difference with Andrew getting healthier.

[OHColtfan]

We are facing a really good defense, but IMO our own running game is the key to keeping this close. Less of our defense on the field and less our newer QB has to think about and do. Pounding Gore, Mack & Turbin 30-35 runs would be great. BUT we can't get behind by mile by halftime either.

[Lucky Colts Fan]

Different Colts team?  No.  Better Colts team?  Hopefully!

 

Maybe we were just getting all the bad out of the way in the first game.  Maybe last week was so ugly because we were saving up our luck and good karma for our home opener.   

The game is in Indy, the Cards lost some good players in the off-season, and they have some starters injured for this game.  Arizona should still be favored, but not by more than a FG.

 

Maybe we get Lucky this week.