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John Clayton told Kevin Bowen he thinks it is between Ballard, Wolfe and JRIII.   He knows Paton well and says he is ticky about which job he wants.  Clayton doesn't think Paton wants the 49er job because he will have to answer to Kyle Shanahan .so Paton wants the Colts job.

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24 minutes ago, Jason_S said:

 

Fair enough. I'll be honest...I thought you were going to say something along the line of it veing a smooth transition, or so Irsay can keep pagano around. I didnt expect a well thought out answer. You proved me wrong and I can give credit where credit is due. :)

 

I'll also say though that I hope you're wrong. Ballard and Paton are my top 2 choices. :)

Thanks..... I like Ballard too.  This article (below) speaks very highly of him "Many people think  Ballard is one of the brightest minds in the league"..... also, this article says he turned down the 49ers interview where other articles say the team blocked him due to playoffs, perhaps his verbal decline came post-playoffs (now that i think about it, that's what would have happened).  Further, it says Dorsey rumors where he might go back to Green Bay are swirling, which would leave GM opening in KC and Ballard could step right in.  I say we snag him before that has a chance to happen.  Now we hear that Paton was a good interview..... things are heating up !!!!!

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2017/01/25/chiefs-chris-ballard-interviewing-colts/

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9 minutes ago, LockeDown said:

John Clayton told Kevin Bowen he thinks it is between Ballard, Wolfe and JRIII.   He knows Paton well and says he is ticky about which job he wants.  Clayton doesn't think Paton wants the 49er job because he will have to answer to Kyle Shanahan .so Paton wants the Colts job.

 

So Paton wants the job, but isn't on the short list? 

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Jim Irsay has a tough, tough couple days ahead of him figuring out who of these very talented guys is the exact right fit.  Can we hire several of these guys and put a couple on the practice squad?

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Lets just hire General Paton and call it a day and bring Peyton in as assistant to Football operations so he can learn the ropes. Then hire Gruden as Coach. Then we can throw a party, shots on me at that point!

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1 hour ago, esmort said:

 

So Paton wants the job, but isn't on the short list? 

Yes.  He thinks Paton is worthy but for whatever reason not on Irsays short list.  It surprises me that he put Wolfe on the short list.  This guy must really be sharp to be so young and in contention.  He said Wolfe has a good shot at replacing Thompson in a few years but it isn't guaranteed, so he is interviewing like the rest of them in what they all seem to believe is a great job.

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1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Lets just hire General Paton and call it a day and Peyton in as assistant to Football operations so he can learn the ropes. Then hire Gruden as Coach. Then we can throw a party, shots on me at that point!

 

You're nuts. How can you want Paton the GM, Peyton the Asst and NOT want Payton the coach. That's a trifecta right there. :D

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10 minutes ago, Jason_S said:

 

You're nuts. How can you want Paton the GM, Peyton the Asst and NOT want Payton the coach. That's a trifecta right there. :D

Even better.

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9 hours ago, 1959Colts said:

Article on Irsay from Profootballweekly's Hub Arkush:

 

The Way We Hear It:

Is Jim Irsay dumb like a fox?

Colts seem to have their pick of great GM candidates

 

 ...A source close to the situation in Indianapolis tells us that as the other clubs' searches went on and were eventually completed, Irsay was stunned that almost all of the top general manager and head coaching prospects were still available...

 

Ironically, it’s Irsay who now has the field all to himself as he goes prospecting for gold.

 

Additionally, while it seems highly likely if not certain Kyle Shanahan will take the 49ers job, he, Josh McDaniels, Matt Patricia, Mike Smith and Todd Haley were all as highly and in most cases more highly rated than the assistants who’ve been awarded head coaching jobs so far.

 

Were told that should Irsay manage to land Caserio or Ballard in the near future, and one of them can convince one of the remaining top head coaching prospects that he and Luck offer a job too good to pass up in spite of Irsay's comments to date, Pagano may not be out of the woods yet either, and Irsay may end up making some of his fellow owners look like amateurs. 

 

 

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2017/01/26/the-way-we-hear-it-is-jim-irsay-dumb-like-a-fox/at5d8ao/

This should have its own thread.  But that would giv credit to Irsay and we can't have that around here.

haha

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9 hours ago, 1959Colts said:

Article on Irsay from Profootballweekly's Hub Arkush:

 

The Way We Hear It:

Is Jim Irsay dumb like a fox?

Colts seem to have their pick of great GM candidates

 

 ...A source close to the situation in Indianapolis tells us that as the other clubs' searches went on and were eventually completed, Irsay was stunned that almost all of the top general manager and head coaching prospects were still available...

 

Ironically, it’s Irsay who now has the field all to himself as he goes prospecting for gold.

 

Additionally, while it seems highly likely if not certain Kyle Shanahan will take the 49ers job, he, Josh McDaniels, Matt Patricia, Mike Smith and Todd Haley were all as highly and in most cases more highly rated than the assistants who’ve been awarded head coaching jobs so far.

 

Were told that should Irsay manage to land Caserio or Ballard in the near future, and one of them can convince one of the remaining top head coaching prospects that he and Luck offer a job too good to pass up in spite of Irsay's comments to date, Pagano may not be out of the woods yet either, and Irsay may end up making some of his fellow owners look like amateurs. 

 

 

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2017/01/26/the-way-we-hear-it-is-jim-irsay-dumb-like-a-fox/at5d8ao/

 

Good post.      Good find.     Thanks for sharing this!       :thmup:

 

 

 

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15 hours ago, Fisticuffs111 said:

Yeah, for some reason I've thought it would be one of Raye III, Ballard, or Wolf.

Not a risky bet as there are only 6 candidates, but still, just the feeling I get.

Rumors are flying and they're everywhere.  We'll see who gets 2nd interviews and that'll tell us where we're at with teh candidates.  Raye is probably the only one we won't officially hear much about.  He's internal so while he'll be interviewed once, maybe twice, he's already in proximity with Irsay.  So we may not really hear much "official" talk about Raye III.

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11 hours ago, chrisfarley said:

all those positions and success w/San Diego, in the saddle currently as interim GM.  Handles/oversees college AND pro scouting, salary cap....his resume is pretty impressive. As has Ballard, Raye has held about every title you can on the way up to GM.  quicker learning curve than ballard being in the org.

 

http://www.colts.com/news/article-1/Jimmy-Raye-III-Adjusting-To-Role-As-Colts-Interim-General-Manager/1057d8fe-47af-42e1-9db7-1bdf8ce5152b

 

Ian Rapoport report which is ancient news (grain of salt but he got his info from someone inside likely)

 

http://horseshoeheroes.com/2017/01/22/report-jimmy-raye-iii-clear-frontrunner-colts-general-manager-opening/

 

EDIT:  I forgot that this happened (probably has affected his reporting ever since)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2218226/Ian-Rapoport-NFL-reporter-hit-face-football-live-pre-game-coverage-sideline.html

I would have absolutely no problem with Jimmy Raye to be honest. He's got a longer resume than just about all these guys the forum is clucking about.  His resume includes several very good to Great defensive players and 3 Hall of Fame offensive players.    But you know association with Grigson trumps all that right?

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16 hours ago, 1959Colts said:

Article on Irsay from Profootballweekly's Hub Arkush:

 

The Way We Hear It:

Is Jim Irsay dumb like a fox?

Colts seem to have their pick of great GM candidates

 

 ...A source close to the situation in Indianapolis tells us that as the other clubs' searches went on and were eventually completed, Irsay was stunned that almost all of the top general manager and head coaching prospects were still available...

 

Ironically, it’s Irsay who now has the field all to himself as he goes prospecting for gold.

 

Additionally, while it seems highly likely if not certain Kyle Shanahan will take the 49ers job, he, Josh McDaniels, Matt Patricia, Mike Smith and Todd Haley were all as highly and in most cases more highly rated than the assistants who’ve been awarded head coaching jobs so far.

 

Were told that should Irsay manage to land Caserio or Ballard in the near future, and one of them can convince one of the remaining top head coaching prospects that he and Luck offer a job too good to pass up in spite of Irsay's comments to date, Pagano may not be out of the woods yet either, and Irsay may end up making some of his fellow owners look like amateurs. 

 

 

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2017/01/26/the-way-we-hear-it-is-jim-irsay-dumb-like-a-fox/at5d8ao/

Good find.  I agree that Pagano's job isn't safe despite Irsay's comments.  But that's onlyl because no job is ever safe and things chagne on a dime.  If the new GM can improve at HC, I'm all for it.  At the same time, I'm not exactly thrilled about another Assistant Coach shuffle, something I'm sure Irsay will explore in his interview process.  But it could be for the best.  We'll see in the coming weeks.

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5 minutes ago, krunk said:

I would have absolutely no problem with Jimmy Raye to be honest. He's got a longer resume than just about all these guys the forum is clucking about.  His resume includes Great defensive players and Hall of Fame offensive players.    But you know association with Grigson trumps all that right?

Ballard has just as long a resume. And he recently put a good defense together. And he has his own scout team(which I would much rather have than the ones we've had)

I want an outside guy, I want a change. 

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2 minutes ago, Majin Vegeta said:

Ballard has just as long a resume. And he recently put a good defense together. And he has his own scout team(which I would much rather have than the ones we've had)

I want an outside guy, I want a change. 

Doesn't matter when it was done, it was done. Did Ballard have Ryan Grigson at the head of the decision making? Does Ballard have any Hall of Fame players on his list that he was directly involved in the selection of?  And who told you changes wouldn't be made if Raye were in control.  He's his own man.

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3 minutes ago, Majin Vegeta said:

Ballard has just as long a resume. And he recently put a good defense together. And he has his own scout team(which I would much rather have than the ones we've had)

I want an outside guy, I want a change. 

He could maybe sway one of Berry or Poe to come here! haha

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7 minutes ago, krunk said:

Doesn't matter when it was done, it was done. Did Ballard have Ryan Grigson at the head of the decision making? Does Ballard have any Hall of Fame players on his list that he was directly involved in the selection of?  And who told you changes wouldn't be made if Raye were in control.  He's his own man.

Didn't say it did. Don't see how the next two questions matter. And nobody, I'm just saying why I want one candidate over Jimmy Raye. Ballard is a guarantee to bring his own scouts(whom I want)

sorry if you don't agree with me but I can make reasonable assumptions. How do we know Raye will bring in his own scouts? We don't. He may or may not .

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2 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said:

He could maybe sway one of Berry or Poe to come here! haha

It's Free Agency, only dollars sway that.

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1 minute ago, Majin Vegeta said:

Didn't say it did. Don't see how the next two questions matter. And nobody, I'm just saying why I want one candidate over Jimmy Raye. Ballard is a guarantee to bring his own scouts(whom I want)

sorry if you don't agree with me. 

I want ballard as much as you only person I wanted more was DeCosta and he's not an option so I'll take second best!!

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1 minute ago, krunk said:

It's Free Agency, only dollars sway that.

 

come on now...dollars aren't the only thing that matters to every free agent.  Sure that probably applies to the vast majority, but every year we hear about players who took a little less money to go to a contender, or to go to a team with a specific coach they wanted to play for, or they were looking for a team with a solid QB etc etc. :)

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2 minutes ago, Jason_S said:

 

come on now...dollars aren't the only thing that matters to every free agent.  Sure that probably applies to the vast majority, but every year we hear about players who took a little less money to go to a contender, or to go to a team with a specific coach they wanted to play for, or they were looking for a team with a solid QB etc etc. :)

There's a team that specializes in getting players to do this, having trouble coming up with the name. I think their logo looks like a flying elvis.

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Just now, Majin Vegeta said:

Didn't say it did. Don't see how the next two questions matter. And nobody, I'm just saying why I want one candidate over Jimmy Raye. Ballard is a guarantee to bring his own scouts(whom I want)

sorry if you don't agree with me. 

You're right I don't agree. You tried to put it out there as if what Ballard did recently was more significant.  Maybe I'm digging too far here but I took that to mean "Hey Jimmy Rayes been bad recently".  My counter to that outside of absolutely not knowing what role Raye played in any of Grigsons failures is that Ballard did not have Grigs at the head of his decision making.  Maybe I read too much into what you put out there.

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11 minutes ago, Jason_S said:

 

come on now...dollars aren't the only thing that matters to every free agent.  Sure that probably applies to the vast majority, but every year we hear about players who took a little less money to go to a contender, or to go to a team with a specific coach they wanted to play for, or they were looking for a team with a solid QB etc etc. :)

He ain't coming here because of the GM and you know that. Show me the last player that took less money to be with a GM of a team he was with before? I have seen players do it for coaches or schemes they've been with before or the success of a franchise.  That's usually the two primary drivers outside of money.  So I will expand on what I said to clarify.

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3 minutes ago, krunk said:

You're right I don't agree. You tried to put it out there as if what Ballard did recently was more significant.  Maybe I'm digging too far here but I took that to mean "Hey Jimmy Rayes been bad recently".  My counter to that outside of absolutely not knowing what role Raye played in any of Grigsons failures is that Ballard did not have Grigs at the head of his decision making.  Maybe I read too much into what you put out there.

Yeah I didn't mean it like that, just saying he built a good defense recently. And we know Ballard will bring his own staff(whom I want), we don't know if Raye will use the current scouts or what. And I just want a complete change! Just my opinion !

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2 minutes ago, Majin Vegeta said:

Yeah I didn't mean it like that, just saying he built a good defense recently. And we know Ballard will bring his own staff(whom I want), we don't know if Raye will use the current scouts or what. And I just want a complete change! Just my opinion !

I can dig it!  We ain't all got to be in the same boat but we all want the team to win. 

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13 minutes ago, krunk said:

He ain't coming here because of the GM and you know that. Show me the last player that took less money to be with a GM of a team he was with before? I have seen players do it for coaches or schemes they've been with before or the success of a franchise.  That's usually the two primary drivers outside of money.  So I will expand on what I said to clarify.

 

I merely pointed out that money is not the only factor in every FA's decision.  That doesn't mean I support the idea that a player would take less money to play for a certain GM.  :)

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21 minutes ago, Jason_S said:

 

I merely pointed out that money is not the only factor in every FA's decision.  That doesn't mean I support the idea that a player would take less money to play for a certain GM.  :)

Well the Colts would have cash a similar scheme on D a great QB and a GM that he has worked with before :)

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2 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said:

Well the Colts would have cash a similar scheme on D a great QB and a GM that he has worked with before :)

That's a plus with Ballard I'll say that.  The scheme is exactly the same on defense.

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11 minutes ago, Majin Vegeta said:

 

Sources say he would take the Colts job if offered. 

Vikings have drafted well so I wouldn't mind him.  Of the guys in the running him or The guy from KC would be my choice.  

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Honestly, Raye is the least desirable of the group, but any are leaps and bounds ahead of Grigson 

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2 minutes ago, PeterBowman said:

so who else was interviewed before Grigson was hired?

Bevis and Butthead.

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