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Everything posted by VocableLoki

  1. I would say Bob Sanders, he was really incredible.
  2. Don’t understand why Toub being a Special Teams coach with no head coaching experience is such s negative. Wasn’t BB’s background in special teams? In fact, his team’s special teams play is one of th reasons they are so consistently good. I’m not pulling for Toub, but I wouldn’t discount him for his specific coordinating background.
  3. Wouldn’t starting the game off so well be an indication of a good game plan? IE good from the coaching staff?
  4. People really need to take a deep breath and relax for a minute. We are a rebuilding team that had sustained injuries to some of our best players and turned the ball over 3 times, with a fourth fumble leading to a safety. That incredibly bad series of events will lead us to being blown out, this is what we know right now. If you were expecting a win in this game then I'm sorry but it seemed like Andrew Luck being out meant that the first part of this season was going to be rough. Look around our division, the Texans gave up 10 sacks and lost to the Jaguars 29-7. The Jaguars are als
  5. It's worth pointing out that, despite leaving a touchdown out there, that is a pretty good response from Tolzien.
  6. Isn't someone on staff there to literally just watch for opportunities to challenge? Did we just rush the next play too much for him to buzz and push for the challenge?
  7. It's worth looking at offensive weapons too when comparing quarterbacks. Manning seemed to develop the same kinds of receivers in his career (Decker, Harrison, Clark, Wayne, Collie, etc all had similar skill sets) while Brady did play with two physically dominant players (Moss and Gronkowski) the likes that Manning never had.
  8. The Cardinals did not play in the Super Bowl and got blown out in the Championship Game. They also went 7-8-1 last season in the worst division in the league. Arians may be a very good coach, but that doesn't undo warts on his record.
  9. Not to mention Kansas City. i feel it's always impossible and unfair to book coaches down to one thing. "Lewis can't win in the playoffs" or "Pagano can't beat NE or PITT" ignores all kinds of circumstances and doesn't address their strengths or weaknesses as a coach.
  10. Lewis deserves more respect, consistently competing in a conference with teams that have won four Super Bowls since 2000 and represent two of the five best teams in the AFC for 17 years is nothing to scoff at. He hasn't won a playoff game sure, but he essentially had a few very good Palmer years and Andy Dalton to work with l. He's not the best coach in the league but I think he's done great work in Cindy.
  11. That just seems to be a double standard. Drew Brees is deservedly in the top tier and he has gone 7-9 for the last three seasons with a team that is either equal to or slightly better than the Colts and he hasn't dropped from that. Aaron Rodgers started out incredibly slow last season and finished with a pretty miserable NFC Championship game and gets the benefit of the doubt. I just think La Confora is being harsh in his assessment.
  12. 1) Why would Luck drop after one of his best seasons, where statistically he is a top 10 QB? 2) Why would he (essentially) be in the "up-and-coming" category when he has been consistently good-great when healthy?
  13. I find it difficult to understand how you can claim I am tailoring stats to fit my agenda when, again, your only point of debate is that Luck and Stafford have similar volume statistics. That is not a good enough analysis to claim that Luck and Stafford aren't that far apart. You can take issue with other statistical measurements, but when enough of them are pointing towards the same conclusion, I think it's worth listening to. The details of how QBR is computed has not been made public, however, it is essentially measuring a bunch of individual qualities:
  14. Your "objective metrics" are just total passing yards and touchdowns. I keep giving out more advanced statistics (QBR, PFF metric, etc) you just aren't discussing those points. It's also not "subjective criteria" to argue that Stafford has had a better team around him when that can also be backed statistically. It's fine if don't want to discuss further but don't try to bury other arguments on your way out. They are close in only a few passing statistics, they aren't similar players, don't play on similar teams and have had very different careers. I also don't think th
  15. Stafford in year 8 had his definitively best season and ranked 8th, top ten consensus this season. Luck had one of his 3 best seasons and was a consensus top five in year five. This represents the gap between the two in my mind, if that's what you are thinking then we are in agreement.
  16. The point is that he has value as a runner, something Stafford doesn't. I also provided other stats and arguments backing up my point that I believe Luck is a significantly more valuable player. It's also worth noting that comparing the two from 2012-16 doesn't account for the fact that Stafford has three years of experience over that frame and more time to develop. Luck is a better player from a shorter sample. To clarify: yes, I believe that Stafford is a very good quarterback, certainly top 15. What I take issue with, and what the article you quoted earlier specific
  17. Sure, I wrote the first sentence harsher than I should have.
  18. First, I am not sure why you are quoting a different poster to comment on my argument. No, that is not what I am arguing. Stafford did not make the Lions worse but my bolded argument is true. The Lions had a better team around him. Again, no. I have not suggested that Andrew would have won a "SB trophy or two," I just pointed out that Andrew Luck would have had a better team around him from 2012-16, so it stands to reason that he would have a chance of greater success if you put him on a better team. I don't understand why are stretching reasonable points o
  19. Again, the Lions had one of the greatest receivers of his generation, a better running game than the Colts had, better offensive line and a MUCH better defense between 2012-16. I simply don't see how the argument can be made that Luck wouldn't be able to win more games with a better team around him. Their volume passing statistics are similar, yes, but Luck has had to carry a more significant burden offensively and hasn't had as good of supporting cast for his career. Not to mention one of the more baffling attempts at roster construction around a franchise player in recent memory
  20. Yes, the Colts were a much better franchise with Peyton Manning at the helm. The team had bottomed out by the time Andrew arrived, Mathis and Wayne were pretty much the only relevant players from that era. Ergo, they both stepped into bad teams. Division is a fair point but Andrew is 6-2 in his career against that division, while Stafford is 3-5 against South teams. The article you are quoting your arguments from doesn't take into account running stats or supporting casts. Again, give Andrew Luck a defense that good and you would feel that team should be Super Bowl caliber, the Lio
  21. Luck was drafted to a team that went 2-14 and the next three seasons they are in the playoffs. The Lions have yet to win a playoff game with Stafford. You are ignoring the lions having a top 3 defense that year, and Stafford had one of the greatest receivers of his generation for the better part of his career. The coordinator isn't that relevant, Andrew isn't playing under Mike Martz, one year of Arians is the extent of his coordinating excellence. Throw in a terrible team construction and I think it's fair to say Andrew has had more on his shoulders. I agree Andrew has
  22. I think it's fair to say that Andrew Luck has carried the Colts more than Stanford has the Lions though. Stafford hasn't even been the best player on his team for most of his career. You think Andrew Luck could've won more with that Lions team (believe it was 2014) where Suh and co lead a very good defense and he would be throwing to Calvin Johnson? I do.
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