D'Joun Smith waived

[bababooey]

Will land on the IR if he clears waivers

[PrincetonTiger]

This is a bit of a head scratcher

[Smonroe]

What's the difference between putting a guy on IR and waiving him and putting him on IR?  He's on a rookie deal, they can't be saving much money.  And they're taking the chance someone will pick him up (ala Tevon Mitchell)

[PrincetonTiger]

Just now, Smonroe said:

What's the difference between putting a guy on IR and waiving him and putting him on IR?  He's on a rookie deal, they can't be saving much money.  And they're taking the chance someone will pick him up (ala Tevon Mitchell)

It has to do with availability

 

It is kinda like DFA in MLB

[Smonroe]

Just now, PrincetonTiger said:

It has to do with availability

 

It is kinda like DFA in MLB

 

Not sure what you mean, availability?  Couldn't they have just IRed him?

[PrincetonTiger]

Just now, Smonroe said:

 

Not sure what you mean, availability?  Couldn't they have just IRed him?

For the first years when a player is released he must be made available for other teams to pick up

[PeterBowman]

1 minute ago, PrincetonTiger said:

For the first years when a player is released he must be made available for other teams to pick up

yep, I think  you have to be a vested veteran first. All others have to clear waivers first.

[PrincetonTiger]

Just now, PeterBowman said:

yep, I think  you have to be a vested veteran first. All others have to clear waivers first.

Thanks for the clarification

 

it is almost the opposite in MLB

[Boiler_Colt]

The curse of the third round corner continues.

[Iancolts]

D smith best attribute was when Gruden complimented him.  After we drafted him he was constantly injured wasted so much time and yeah third round DB curse continues. 

[21isSuperman]

This guy can't get healthy.  Bummer because he has a lot of talent and potential.

[Valpo2004]

Didn't know he had a serious injury.

 

Apparently though the Colts where not too invested in him otherwise they would have tried to protect him from being picked up on waivers by waiting until the season to IR him.

[PrincetonTiger]

1 minute ago, Valpo2004 said:

Didn't know he had a serious injury.

 

Apparently though the Colts where not too invested in him otherwise they would have tried to protect him from being picked up on waivers by waiting until the season to IR him.

Me neither

[Boiler_Colt]

Reminds me a lot of Donald Strickland, could have been a good scrappy player, just injury prone.

[HeSoColt]

Injuries suck... I was always excited to see him on the field. Problem is, we never saw him on the field.

[IinD]

Sadly another busted pick. Just couldn't stay on the field to prove his worth.

 

This secondary is trending towards bad. Simply because they'll be forced to use scrubs as guys start to get injured during the season.

[LJpalmbeacher2]

From the get go I hinted he's probably a Bust! But a lot on here really had him pencilled in as our #2 opposite of Davis.

The 1st pick in the 3rd round. We passed on Tevon Coleman for him. I guessed we passed on a lot of players. 

Well he still has that Gruden tape on him he can replay over and over.

[Bluefire4]

I wonder who we are bringng in because Tevin Mitchel will probably be gone soon..

[Derakynn]

Dang. Was absolutely not expecting this. I can't remember waiving a high draft pick this early into their career. 

[bertjones7]

I don't think the earlier question was answered. I'm not sure what is the benefit of waiving him & (if he clears) placing him on IR vs just playing him on IR. 

 

I dont think the earlier comment about needing to be vested is accurate. For instance, Jax placed Dante fowler directly on IR without putting him on waivers. Colts put Anderson on IR last year. 

 

Im guessing the difference has something to do with future contractual obligations. 

[dw49]

20 minutes ago, 21isSuperman said:

This guy can't get healthy.  Bummer because he has a lot of talent and potential.

 

 

I'm not sure he has ever shown the talent and potential to be an NFL starter even when healthy . Never looked good in camp as far as I can remember. Yes he appeared to have potential when drafted but , I would say at this point it's more than just not staying healthy. Looks to me it's also an issue if his game translated to the NFL.

[LJpalmbeacher2]

2 minutes ago, bertjones7 said:

I don't think the earlier question was answered. I'm not sure what is the benefit of waiving him & (if he clears) placing him on IR vs just playing him on IR. 

 

I dont think the earlier comment about needing to be vested is accurate. For instance, Jax placed Dante fowler directly on IR without putting him on waivers. Colts put Anderson on IR last year. 

 

Im guessing the difference has something to do with future contractual obligations. 

 

Redskins IR'ed Keith Marshall for a elbow injury. They didn't want to risk losing him. I guess the Colts don't expect anyone will claim Gruden's prodigy AND DON'T CARE if some team does.

[bertjones7]

I did a little research and found the following link. Interesting that it refers to the 1st cut down day. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nj.com/articles/19199637/what_does_it_mean_when_an_nfl_player_is_waivedinju.amp?client=safari

 

 

After doing some research and speaking to league sources, here are the key points about the waived/injured designation:

*Vested veterans can be put directly on injured reserve without being exposed to waivers. This is what the Giants did with fifth-year offensive lineman Byron Stingily, who was placed on injured reserve on Tuesday with a concussion.

*Up until the first cut-down day, which was Tuesday, injured non-vested players must be placed on waivers through the waived/injured designation before being placed on injured reserve. This prevents teams from stashing young players on injured reserve. Once a waived/injured player clears waivers, he reverts to the team's IR.

*After the first cut-down day, teams can use the waived/injured designation or they can place a player directly on IR.

[RockThatBlue]

Looks like we will be watching the waiver wire for CBs like a hawk. Wouldn't be surprised if Grigs signs a CB or two.

[jvan1973]

19 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher said:

From the get go I hinted he's probably a Bust! But a lot on here really had him pencilled in as our #2 opposite of Davis.

The 1st pick in the 3rd round. We passed on Tevon Coleman for him. I guessed we passed on a lot of players. 

Well he still has that Gruden tape on him he can replay over and over.

Can't predict injuries

[Smonroe]

5 minutes ago, bertjones7 said:

I did a little research and found the following link. Interesting that it refers to the 1st cut down day. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nj.com/articles/19199637/what_does_it_mean_when_an_nfl_player_is_waivedinju.amp?client=safari

 

 

After doing some research and speaking to league sources, here are the key points about the waived/injured designation:

*Vested veterans can be put directly on injured reserve without being exposed to waivers. This is what the Giants did with fifth-year offensive lineman Byron Stingily, who was placed on injured reserve on Tuesday with a concussion.

*Up until the first cut-down day, which was Tuesday, injured non-vested players must be placed on waivers through the waived/injured designation before being placed on injured reserve. This prevents teams from stashing young players on injured reserve. Once a waived/injured player clears waivers, he reverts to the team's IR.

*After the first cut-down day, teams can use the waived/injured designation or they can place a player directly on IR.

 

Thanks. So it appears the Colts could have IRed him.  I'm not sure if they keep him cheaper if he clears waivers, but if that's the reason they obviously didn't think that much of him.

[Smonroe]

2 minutes ago, Smonroe said:

 

Thanks. So it appears the Colts could have IRed him.  I'm not sure if they keep him cheaper if he clears waivers, but if that's the reason they obviously didn't think that much of him.

 

Let me amend that post.  I guess the injury has to be season ending to go directly to IR and his aren't.  Looks like an injury settlement if he clears waivers, then he'll be a FA.

[GoColts8818]

Kravitz is reporting on Twitter he was cut for lack of professionalism more than because of his injury status.

[LJpalmbeacher2]

15 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Can't predict injuries

 

Actually Bob Kravits may have  said been more to unprofessional conduct to injury? 1070 the Fan are trying to get him to come on air briefly to clarify.

[21isSuperman]

39 minutes ago, dw49 said:

 

 

I'm not sure he has ever shown the talent and potential to be an NFL starter even when healthy . Never looked good in camp as far as I can remember. Yes he appeared to have potential when drafted but , I would say at this point it's more than just not staying healthy. Looks to me it's also an issue if his game translated to the NFL.

 

6 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

Kravitz is reporting on Twitter he was cut for lack of professionalism more than because of his injury status.

 

That's interesting.  I wonder what he did.  I don't recall any reports of him showing up to meetings or practice late.

[buccolts]

48 minutes ago, HeSoColt said:

Injuries suck... I was always excited to see him on the field. Problem is, we never saw him on the field.

 

Good news is, by staying off the field, he kept you always excited.

Nothing wrong with that.

[LJpalmbeacher2]

3 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher said:

 

Actually Bob Kravits may have  said been more to unprofessional conduct to injury? 1070 the Fan are trying to get him to come on air briefly to clarify.

 

Update: Kravits did come on air and said he was told he did not act the part of a professional athlete and that's the main reason he was waived.

A BUST!!!

[buccolts]

46 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher said:

From the get go I hinted he's probably a Bust! But a lot on here really had him pencilled in as our #2 opposite of Davis.

The 1st pick in the 3rd round. We passed on Tevon Coleman for him. I guessed we passed on a lot of players. 

Well he still has that Gruden tape on him he can replay over and over.

 

You probably hinted because you never can be sure, just like the rest of us. 

We were simply hopeful while you weren't.

 

Tevin Coleman? Kinda early to be crowing about him, isn't it?

[chad72]

He had the same kind of I-was-drafted-lower-than-where-I-should-have-been chip on his shoulder much like Dwayne Allen, I remember that from his 1070 AM sports radio interview after he was drafted. However, he couldn't even show Allen's level of availability, which is not that difficult to match.

[buccolts]

10 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

Kravitz is reporting on Twitter he was cut for lack of professionalism more than because of his injury status.

 

Hmm, I recall it was said that he was pretty cocky early last TC for a guy who'd done nothing yet.

A year later, and still nothing to back it up. Maybe it got the better of him.

[MTC]

Why would he go on IR for just an ankle sprain?

[buccolts]

1 minute ago, MTC said:

Why would he go on IR for just an ankle sprain?

 

Sounds like it might have been his ego sprain instead.

[TDewar1987]

They are already calling for Grigson's head - again - on the Colts facebook post about this lol

[Smonroe]

8 minutes ago, chad72 said:

He had the same kind of I-was-drafted-lower-than-where-I-should-have-been chip on his shoulder much like Dwayne Allen, I remember that from his 1070 AM sports radio interview after he was drafted. However, he couldn't even show Allen's level of availability, which is not that difficult to match.

 

That's a good attitude if it inspires you to be a better player.  I read that he took down all the pictures of Deon, etc., and was acting humble this season.

 

Hope the kid turns it around.

[GoColts8818]

8 minutes ago, buccolts said:

 

Hmm, I recall it was said that he was pretty cocky early last TC for a guy who'd done nothing yet.

A year later, and still nothing to back it up. Maybe it got the better of him.

Someone retweeted him on Twitter saying that if the right team drafted him with the right coaches he would go down as the greatest corner to ever play the game so I can easily see the cocky part.