Hines trade

[jblastick]

So our compensation for Hines was a conditional 6th that could be a 5th.  Does anyone know what the conditions are?  I haven’t heard the details nor was I able to find it online.  Thanks 

[jemack]

Moss aside, It's incentive based, but l haven't read anywhere ( not even Buffalo publications ) what those incentives are. Buffalo has 1 6th and 2 5th rd picks. Chances are if Hines stays healthy, we'll get their low 5th pick. Thats bout all l read.

[holeymoley99]

They are barely playing him which is surprising, 24 snaps in 4 games.....

[jblastick]

1 hour ago, holeymoley99 said:

They are barely playing him which is surprising, 24 snaps in 4 games.....

Agreed. So funny that after the trade happened all I heard was “Hines is now on a team that knows how to use him.”  Dude is getting less snaps in Buffalo than he had here. 

[Nesjan3]

1 minute ago, jblastick said:

Agreed. So funny that after the trade happened all I heard was “Hines is now on a team that knows how to use him.”  Dude is getting less snaps in Buffalo than he had here. 

Yah I think its funny too, another case of the many Colts players who get vastly over rated here. On some Colts podcasts all they talked about is how we got fleeced and Hines is going to tear it up with the Bills and make us look so bad. 

2 Rushing Attemps for -5 Yards

I Rec in 3 Targets for 9 Yards

He was an average BACKUP running back who is alright at catching the football out of the backfield. The compensation was fine.

[Defjamz26]

12 minutes ago, Nesjan3 said:

Yah I think its funny too, another case of the many Colts players who get vastly over rated here. On some Colts podcasts all they talked about is how we got fleeced and Hines is going to tear it up with the Bills and make us look so bad. 

2 Rushing Attemps for -5 Yards

I Rec in 3 Targets for 9 Yards

He was an average BACKUP running back who is alright at catching the football out of the backfield. The compensation was fine.

While it is true we stopped using him effectively, I agree that he was vastly overrated. Nothing more than your typical change of pace, receiving back.

[crazycolt1]

38 minutes ago, Defjamz26 said:

While it is true we stopped using him effectively, I agree that he was vastly overrated. Nothing more than your typical change of pace, receiving back.

 He had better hands than your typical back. 

[VikingsFanInChennai]

56 minutes ago, Nesjan3 said:

Yah I think its funny too, another case of the many Colts players who get vastly over rated here. On some Colts podcasts all they talked about is how we got fleeced and Hines is going to tear it up with the Bills and make us look so bad. 

2 Rushing Attemps for -5 Yards

I Rec in 3 Targets for 9 Yards

He was an average BACKUP running back who is alright at catching the football out of the backfield. The compensation was fine.

I think it will take time for him to learn the playbook, for them to be comfortable in knowing his strengths and in using him in various situations. Maybe, not this year. Maybe, by playoffs. He may not do good after all.

 

What we've seen from Buffalo is they have started using James Cook more (and it took many weeks for that, his early season fumble didn't help) and Singletary still does get his touches mainly in red zone and goal line situations. It will be difficult for Hines to compete for touches, but I guess maybe by next off-season they'll figure out designed plays for him. They're a good offense, and they'll find ways. He can just be an insurance for any injuries in their playoff run. Singletary and Cook are primary RBs for now, and any talk of Hines tearing it up is just talk. 

 

Going by the limited usage, it'll be surprising if Colts get the upgraded round 5 pick. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

I miss Hines up the gut, it was a matter of time that would be a huge key to winning us a SB, just ask Frank 

[jbaron04]

4 hours ago, holeymoley99 said:

They are barely playing him which is surprising, 24 snaps in 4 games.....

Lol is it surprising what has Hines done for us except waste play calls with the once in a blue moon 10 yard reception 

[OLD FAN MAN]

3 hours ago, Nesjan3 said:

Yah I think its funny too, another case of the many Colts players who get vastly over rated here. On some Colts podcasts all they talked about is how we got fleeced and Hines is going to tear it up with the Bills and make us look so bad. 

2 Rushing Attemps for -5 Yards

I Rec in 3 Targets for 9 Yards

He was an average BACKUP running back who is alright at catching the football out of the backfield. The compensation was fine.

ballard paid him like a top 10 rb

[Zoltan]

2 minutes ago, OLD FAN MAN said:

ballard paid him like a top 10 rb

Yeah I didn't like that contract, but I would almost never give a RB a second contract because most never live up to it

[Indyfan4life]

20 minutes ago, jbaron04 said:

Lol is it surprising what has Hines done for us except waste play calls with the once in a blue moon 10 yard reception 

The occasional out of the backfield pass, but that hasn't been a thing for a while.

[BlueShoe]

11 hours ago, jblastick said:

So our compensation for Hines was a conditional 6th that could be a 5th.  Does anyone know what the conditions are?  I haven’t heard the details nor was I able to find it online.  Thanks 

My guess is, the incentive would be along the lines of… If Hines is on the Bills roster at a specific date, such as first day of league year (2023 - March whatever). 

[EastStreet]

Hines was definitely over-paid... and misused... wouldn't call overrated (unless you translate pay = overrated).

 

For Buffalo, likely a long term move, and perhaps depth for playoffs and ST... Not surprised that they are slow rolling him. They already have guys with chemistry. 

[AwesomeAustin]

I think over paid equals over rated.  He just never got much better.  Be it bc of scheme, play calling, reaching his ceiling or most likely a combination of all of the above. It was a good trade for the Colts and Hines…saying that, I doubt he does much there in Buffalo. He appeared to be trending up early in his career but I would say he is just an average player that needs plays designed for him to have a chance at being above average.  I anticipate a great game from him here or there in the second half of his career, but honestly I think we have seen all he has to offer and he topped out a couple years ago.  I hope he does well, I really do…but I doubt he is anything more than a backup for the next few years. Wont surprise me if he is out of the league in the next 4 years by the time he is 30.  

[Moosejawcolt]

8 hours ago, jblastick said:

Agreed. So funny that after the trade happened all I heard was “Hines is now on a team that knows how to use him.”  Dude is getting less snaps in Buffalo than he had here. 

Lol. Ballard minions. Frank didn't know how to use him. How about this. He was an okay player. Ballard gave him a huge contract like he was a top 10 back.  People expected Sproles and got a guy with a 4.3 who never showed it and had no wiggle. Combine hero.

[NFLfan]

15 hours ago, Zoltan said:

Yeah I didn't like that contract, but I would almost never give a RB a second contract because most never live up to it

 

I think that is true for most players in general, not just RBs.

 

Would you like to give Taylor a second contract (if he has not already been extended/re-signed)?

[DougDew]

We misused Hines by the fact that we used him a lot, LOL.  OTOH, Buffalo has been using him appropriately thus far.....

[chad72]

Deuce Vaughn of Kansas State would be what Hines would/should have been. We can get him in Round 5 like Hines, can be a Sproles/Tarik Cohen type and hopefully use him better.

[AwesomeAustin]

2 hours ago, NFLfan said:

 

I think that is true for most players in general, not just RBs.

 

Would you like to give Taylor a second contract (if he has not already been extended/re-signed)?

Absolutely not.  I would like him to be traded to a contender so we can use that as ammo to go get the QB we want. JT is a special player, no doubt about it.  I feel he isn’t right for this team right now until we have our franchise guy.  He would take pressure off a rookie would be better off spending his contract salary across the roster if we hit on a QB then by all means go for a great back. 

[Zoltan]

9 hours ago, NFLfan said:

 

I think that is true for most players in general, not just RBs.

 

Would you like to give Taylor a second contract (if he has not already been extended/re-signed)?

Maybe a 3 year extension but otherwise I would trade him in his last year. I'm sure you could get a 1st rounder from a team that thinks all they need is a RB to get to the SB.

[CR91]

This honestly baffles me with how little they use him. Maybe Hines is behind in the playbook, but it's shocking because I thought this was a perfect offense for him.

[LJpalmbeacher2]

The compensation won't matter much because its most likely only.a 5th or.6th rounder.

But Hines definitely had talent. I seen him run patterns & accelerate as well as any back. 

[lollygagger8]

Note to players wanting to be traded: 

 

The grass ain't always greener 

[NorthernColt]

I think the issue with Hines has always been that as a runner, he's below average. He can't run between tackles. I think he'd be best as a gadget guy, get him in space, sweeps, motion out of the backfield, motion into the backfield. His best trait is his versatility, I don't think any coach he's had as really tapped into it yet.

[Myles]

He's doing well returning kicks for Buffalo.  I imagine they will slowly work him into the offense more and more.    

[lilolemoi]

Bills only run it 6x a game. Not a lot for him.

[richard pallo]

They are comfortable with Allen being their feature running back.