Free Agency: Day 5

[CR91]

 

[BProland85]

6 minutes ago, Colt Overseas said:

 

Yeah agreed, but likely via the draft on Day 3. I think the 1st and 2nd round picks are going to DE and LT.

There are some good WRs and CBs in the early rounds too I would love for the Colts. I’m not as impressed by the DE class this year. 

[CR91]

 

[Colt Overseas]

Very very very cheap. Ballard-esque

 

 

 

[PrincetonTiger]

13 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

Good news

[w87r]

46 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

With the quickness of his signing with Denver Fuller was never meandering down I 65

It is dangerous journey.

 

9 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

Great value.

[John Hammonds]

9 minutes ago, Colt Overseas said:

Very very very cheap. Ballard-esque

 

 

Why don't I believe this yet?  I should be celebrating.  But I keep being skeptical at "well, this guy said that that guy said that he has a source that said...."

 

"You know a guy...." -- Terry Benedict, Oceans Eleven

[RollerColt]

In an uncertain year, it makes sense for players to go somewhere that’s familiar either in scheme or coaching. We know we’ll have football, but how it all leads up to the start of the season will be a question mark all summer. 
 

Take the familiarity in 2021, give yourself the best possible chance to prove it on a year or two year type of deal, and then make the money down the road. 

[tvturner]

25 minutes ago, Colt Overseas said:

 

Yeah agreed, but likely via the draft on Day 3. I think the 1st and 2nd round picks are going to DE and LT.

Paulson Adebo in R3

[NewColtsFan]

Just now, tvturner said:

Paulson Adebo in R3

I would be thrilled if that happened.   Right player in the right scheme at the right pick.  

[w87r]

Offseason Summation:

 

Our own guys:

Pascal

Cox

Odum

Mack

Rhodes

Stallworth

Dulin

 

Covid returns:

Tell III

Milligan

Moore

 

Other team FAs:

Isaac Rochell

Andrew Brown

 

Trades:

Carson Wentz

 

 

Comp picks:(subject to change)

Autry - 5th

Brissett - 6th

Walker - 6th

 

Still need to bring TY and Houston back.

[CardiacColts]

1 minute ago, w87r said:

Offseason Summation:

 

Our own guys:

Pascal

Cox

Odum

Mack

Rhodes

Stallworth

Dulin

 

Covid returns:

Tell III

Milligan

Moore

 

Other team FAs:

Isaac Rochell

Andrew Brown

 

Trades:

Carson Wentz

 

 

Comp picks:(subject to change)

Autry - 5th

Brissett - 6th

Walker - 6th

 

Still need to bring TY and Houston back.

 

Excellent summary. Thank you. I agree wholeheartedly on TY and Houston.

[PrincetonTiger]

8 minutes ago, w87r said:

Offseason Summation:

 

Our own guys:

Pascal

Cox

Odum

Mack

Rhodes

Stallworth

Dulin

 

Covid returns:

Tell III

Milligan

Moore

 

Other team FAs:

Isaac Rochell

Andrew Brown

 

Trades:

Carson Wentz

 

 

Comp picks:(subject to change)

Autry - 5th

Brissett - 6th

Walker - 6th

 

Still need to bring TY and Houston back.

[csmopar]

10 minutes ago, w87r said:

Offseason Summation:

 

Our own guys:

Pascal

Cox

Odum

Mack

Rhodes

Stallworth

Dulin

 

Covid returns:

Tell III

Milligan

Moore

 

Other team FAs:

Isaac Rochell

Andrew Brown

 

Trades:

Carson Wentz

 

 

Comp picks:(subject to change)

Autry - 5th

Brissett - 6th

Walker - 6th

 

Still need to bring TY and Houston back.

Capspace update? Not sure I trust Spotrac or OtC right now

[NewColtsFan]

12 minutes ago, w87r said:

Offseason Summation:

 

Our own guys:

Pascal

Cox

Odum

Mack

Rhodes

Stallworth

Dulin

 

Covid returns:

Tell III

Milligan

Moore

 

Other team FAs:

Isaac Rochell

Andrew Brown

 

Trades:

Carson Wentz

 

 

Comp picks:(subject to change)

Autry - 5th

Brissett - 6th

Walker - 6th

 

Still need to bring TY and Houston back.

Thank you.   We’ve had some very good posts today,  but yours might just be the best!

Not expecting, but obviously hoping those comp picks hold up!      

[NFLfan]

2 hours ago, richard pallo said:

How did we wind up in the middle?   lol

 

I actually wondered the same thing. I did not get that. 

[PureLuck]

11 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Capspace update? Not sure I trust Spotrac or OtC right now

 

Can't trust Spotrac for teams with pending deals, but since the Colts have been relatively quiet, the 38 million should be fairly close. Substract the 6.5m Rhodes just got and we're left with roughly 31.5m.

[NewColtsFan]

21 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Capspace update? Not sure I trust Spotrac or OtC right now

Both Spotrac and OTC are not updated right after the transaction.   To the best of my knowledge they get updated once — overnight - and then those figures stay the same for 24 more hours until the next day. 
 

And it has to be this way.  Because some teams are so busy, making so many transactions, they could never keep up with all 32 teams in real time.  
 

So glance at those sights early in the day for the latest updates.  But those numbers will stay the same until the next day.  That’s my understanding.  

[PrincetonTiger]

9 minutes ago, PureLuck said:

 

Can't trust Spotrac for teams with pending deals, but since the Colts have been relatively quiet, the 38 million should be fairly close. Substract the 6.5m Rhodes just got and we're left with roughly 31.5m.

It might be a little less since there was an OL signed today

[RNGDShobby]

48 minutes ago, tvturner said:

Paulson Adebo in R3

Except we don't have a 3.

[NewColtsFan]

29 minutes ago, RNGDShobby said:

Except we don't have a 3.

I know.  
 

Im hoping Ballard trades back in the first and gets a 3.    I certainly think he’s going to try. 

[tvturner]

6 minutes ago, RNGDShobby said:

Except we don't have a 3.

There's a very high chance Ballard trades back atleast once or twice

 

He's never finished a draft with less than 8 picks

[Jackie Daytona]

On 3/19/2021 at 1:40 PM, CR91 said:

 

That's not even how comp picks work

[w87r]

48 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Capspace update? Not sure I trust Spotrac or OtC right now

 

35 minutes ago, PureLuck said:

 

Can't trust Spotrac for teams with pending deals, but since the Colts have been relatively quiet, the 38 million should be fairly close. Substract the 6.5m Rhodes just got and we're left with roughly 31.5m.

 

$6.5m really only counts about $5.7m against top 51 cap space. A guy with $780k drops below the line 

 

 

So probably closer to $33m.

 

Actually probably closer to $38m with Wentz moving $5m of roster bonus to next year.

 

Sign Hilton and Houston for $16m or less and still setting around $22-$23.6m(2 players drop below top 51 line). Before OL mentioned 

25 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

It might be a little less since there was an OL signed today

I saw this rumor but until we see who and how much might as well not speculate.

 

8 minutes ago, Shafty138 said:

That's not even how comp picks work

Well it is, really. Players in vs players out, rounds determined by contract amount. Might not of been as simple as posted in the tweet, but true nonetheless. I actually think Brissett will be borderline 5th round comp.

 

Players out:

Autry -Ten

Brissett - Mia

Walker - Cle

Tremon Smith - Hou

 

Players in:

Rochell - SD

Brown - waiver claim ~ doesn't count against formula

 

Rochell and Smith cancel each other out right now

 

 

If for some reason Hilton and Houston end up somewhere else we will get a couple more. Depending who else we might bring in.

[NewColtsFan]

2 minutes ago, w87r said:

 

 

$6.5m really only counts about $5.7m against top 51 cap space. A guy with $780k drops below the line 

 

 

So probably closer to $33m.

 

Actually probably closer to $38m with Wentz moving $5m of roster bonus to next year.

 

Sign Hilton and Houston for $16m or less and still setting around $22-$23.6m(2 players drop below top 51 line). Before OL mentioned 

I saw this rumor but until we see who and how much might as well not speculate.

 

Well it is, really. Players in vs players out, rounds determined by contract amount. Might not of been as simple as posted in the tweet, but true nonetheless. I actually think Brissett will be borderline 5th round comp.

 

Players out:

Autry -Ten

Brissett - Mia

Walker - Cle

Tremon Smith - Hou

 

Players in:

Rochell - SD

Brown - waiver claim ~ doesn't count against formula

 

Rochell and Smith cancel each other out right now

 

 

If for some reason Hilton and Houston end up somewhere else we will get a couple more. Depending who else we might bring in.

Wow, this is great stuff!   If your other post, the off-season re-set is my favorite post of the day, this is my second!   This is better than porn!   (Or so I’m told!).  
 

And I honestly think this has turned into a very good day of posting from a large number of posters.  Lots of good info and thoughts in a number of threads.  

Good day!       

[PureLuck]

2 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Wow, this is great stuff!   If your other post, the off-season re-set is my favorite post of the day, this is my second!   This is better than porn!   (Or so I’m told!).  
 

And I honestly think this has turned into a very good day of posting from a large number of posters.  Lots of good info and thoughts in a number of threads.  

Good day!       

 

In my best effort to make your top 5 posts today, otc finally updated their compensatory pick cancellation chart for this free agency, so everyone can check in on the current projection: https://overthecap.com/compensatory-picks/ - basically confirms everything @w87r has said, except Rochell doesn't count against the formula as a RFA. The pick for Walker might not be among the Top 32 picks in the end, it's probably going to be very close.

[w87r]

11 minutes ago, PureLuck said:

 

In my best effort to make your top 5 posts today, otc finally updated their compensatory pick cancellation chart for this free agency, so everyone can check in on the current projection: https://overthecap.com/compensatory-picks/ - basically confirms everything @w87r has said, except Rochell doesn't count against the formula as a RFA. The pick for Walker might not be among the Top 32 picks in the end, it's probably going to be very close.

Yeah, I was about to put that in my post about Rochell and Smith(not counting against formula, because of both their RFA status). Little Grey area though. So just went with cancelling out.

 

 

Also: Walker will be close.

 

But something else to consider. More signings somewhere could end up cancelling out a different comp pick somewhere.

 

@PureLuck I added a little more about Walker.

 

Thanks for the update. I was literally just looking for an updated list as I was making that post.

[hoosierhawk]

3 hours ago, ColtJax said:

We could have had Fuller for 9.5 million? Come on, throw us a bone!!

Maybe he wanted to go play for his former DC who is now the HC in Denver. Does that sound familiar.(Wentz and Reich)

[RollerColt]

I guess time will truly tell, but often paying large sums of money to free agents ends up backfiring badly. 
 

The Titans are all in, trying to make that jump to the Chiefs (good luck to them with that...)

 

The Patriots are trying to build up a strong roster right now. Perhaps they’re planning on using the draft capital to snatch a QB of the future? 
 

I think a lot of teams are freaking out at the moment trying to catch up to the Buccaneers and Chiefs. But if you look at the situations 6 days in, most of them still aren’t close. 
 

This was a fear about Ballard. He’s much more patient than the average GM. And most fan bases can only stand a few years of a rebuild before they start getting upset. 

 

 

[w87r]

So to build on the Offseason summation post. 

 

Remaining needs and options:

WR: Hilton, Watkins, Josh Reynolds(?),

 

LT: Villanueva, Okung, Wagner(of Braden is switching sides)

 

DE: Houston, Dunlap, Clowney, Ingram, Vernon

 

 

Also should have enough for our extensions. That would be a big win this offseason(to lock up Leonard and Smith long term)

[PureLuck]

15 minutes ago, w87r said:

Yeah, I was about to put that in my post about Rochell and Smith(not counting against formula, because of both their RFA status). Little Grey area though. So just went with cancelling out.

 

 

Also: Walker will be close.

 

But something else to consider. More signings somewhere could end up cancelling out a different comp pick somewhere.

 

@PureLuck I added a little more about Walker.

 

Thanks for the update. I was literally just looking for an updated list as I was making that post.

 

Yeah, I was thinking about the possibility of some of the picks above Walker getting cancelled out, but I suspect the teams holding those projected comp picks might prefer keeping those picks over signing another middling FA. Could be wrong obviously, but the top of the market is mostly gone now, so I do not expect many of those picks getting cancelled out. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

I could care less about the Pats but many still bring them up. So I want to say this, the reason why they were able to go hog crazy and sign some big names to big money is because they are not paying their QB hardly anything. If they were paying Cam 25-30 Mill a year like most teams do for good to great QB's they wouldn't be able to splurge like they have. Hell if Wentz was only making making 10 Mill a year, Ballard could've signed 2 or 3 huge names to huge money. I hope this makes sense to some people lol. Then again it probably doesn't 

[Breeze]

I’m kind of enjoying watching what the Patriots are doing.  Throwing money around trying to play catch up.  Reminds me of the Jets, Redskins, and Jaguars.  Been tired of watching them methodically dominate the league for the past 20 years doing just the opposite.  Good to see the desperation. 

[NewColtsFan]

13 minutes ago, w87r said:

So to build on the Offseason summation post. 

 

Remaining needs and options:

WR: Hilton, Watkins, Josh Reynolds(?),

 

LT: Villanueva, Okung, Wagner(of Braden is switching sides)

 

DE: Houston, Dunlap, Clowney, Ingram, Vernon

 

 

Also should have enough for our extensions. That would be a big win this offseason(to lock up Leonard and Smith long term)

You’re toying with me now, aren’t you?!  You big tease, you!       

[Zoltan]

Here's my question what is the date when free agent hiring doesn't effect compensation picks?

 

Because I could see us not signing anyone till after that date then signing someone like Clowney who last season waited a long time to sign with a team, and may do that again

[w87r]

6 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

You’re toying with me now, aren’t you?!  You big tease, you!       

 

2 minutes ago, Zoltan said:

Here's my question what is the date when free agent hiring doesn't effect compensation picks?

 

Because I could see us not signing anyone till after that date then signing someone like Clowney who last season waited a long time to sign with a team, and may do that again

I believe it is May 7th.? Not 100% on that without looking up, if not, it is right around there.

[stitches]

1 hour ago, Zoltan said:

Here's my question what is the date when free agent hiring doesn't effect compensation picks?

 

Because I could see us not signing anyone till after that date then signing someone like Clowney who last season waited a long time to sign with a team, and may do that again

Monday after the draft I think is the date.

https://overthecap.com/the-basics-and-methodology-of-projecting-the-nfls-compensatory-draft-picks/

 

[danlhart87]

 

[NFLfan]

32 minutes ago, CardiacColts said:

 

Can I get a key to your cave? I'm afraid I may need to also go back into the shadows for a bit...

 

No. We need you around. 

[CardiacColts]

4 minutes ago, NFLfan said:

 

No. We need you around. 

Thank you, kind sir!