Jump to content
Indianapolis Colts
Indianapolis Colts Fan Forum

Possible 2nd Round Trade Down


TheMose

Recommended Posts

I'd love to trade down from 34 to early 3rd round. Would give us some nicely spaced out picks starting with the #46 through the 4th and 5th rounds. Not to mention, we'd basically own the CRAP out of next year's draft in the 1st and 2nd rounds (especially if both Washington and NYJ suck which there is a good chance for). 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

26 minutes ago, chad72 said:

With Deshaun Watson possibly getting banged up with their OL issues, Texans decide to trade Clowney to the Colts for pick No.34 and Jacoby Brissett (for insurance)

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

.

 

j/k j/k haha

Texans trade this year 3rd and next year 1st ? Or future 1st and 4/5th round?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

What I am seeing is that Ballard is sticking to his long term plan and not falling into the trap of getting a head of schedule and start swinging for Super Bowls before you have a proper foundation in place.  

 

The Colts might take a step back this year for years of future sustained success.  

 

Thats what Ballard is building for IMO, setting this team up for long term success and he knows the best way to do that is with draft picks and then using your money to re-sign guys you drafted and only using free agency to get a guy here or there.  

 

He also knows the more picks you have the better chance you have to get more special guys because you aren’t going to hit on every pick.  

 

Hes sticking to his plan and it might not be popular but if you look around the league it’s what most teams who have sustained success do.

  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 minutes ago, aavmarine said:

I don't like hearing Ballard say "There are still GOOD players out there for us.." I rather hear him say "There are still some great players out there, that can come in here, and make an immediate impact for this team!!"

 

Truth hurts. Fact of the matter is, there are only a handful of truly elite players in this draft, & they were long gone by the time pick number 26 came up. I'm confident we'll still get some quality starters, but if you're expecting 2 more all-pro rookies from this draft class, that's just not realistic. There might not even be 5 all-pro caliber players in this entire draft.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 minutes ago, BigQungus said:

 

What does the draft have to do with paying money?

I'm talking about what the writers on Colts.com are talking about, if we trade early 2nd round picks, for later rounds, and future draft picks that we could use to bargain with for off season trades. What I'm saying is, is that (example) if the Colts trade for Bell, and gave the team our 2 2nd round picks next year, we won't pay that big money to them. After this season, we will start to see big players refusing to talk to the Colts, because they know now, that the Colts will never come close to what they are asking. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Colts1324 said:

I would accept both of their seconds in a heartbeat. However, I really like the idea of getting a 2020 first and a 2019 third/fourth if we are going to trade down as well. 

 

Next years draft has a lot more of those "can't miss" players. 

 

Completely agree I’d love adding a 2020 1st and 2019 3rd if we could by trading the 34th pick. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

TBH next year's draft is gonna be better than this year's, atleast in the first two rounds it seems. As long as Ballard gets the early 3rd and maybe another mid-rounder this year, I'm all for adding high level picks next year. Imagine going into next year's draft with 2 1st, 2 2nd rounders or 1 1st and 3 2nd rounders. Ballard would have complete freedom to move up for a generational talent if he so wishes.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

27 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

Truth hurts. Fact of the matter is, there are only a handful of truly elite players in this draft, & they were long gone by the time pick number 26 came up. I'm confident we'll still get some quality starters, but if you're expecting 2 more all-pro rookies from this draft class, that's just not realistic. There might not even be 5 all-pro caliber players in this entire draft.

No, but I would think they would do what ever they need to to do to jump up and get either Simmons or Lawrence who is projected to be the next Vince Wilfork. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, aavmarine said:

Let's keep on trading back until all we have to draft are backup players. 

 

You said this, and I said the comment was obtuse. One the the definitions says.... 

 

suggests a refusal to see something apparent to others, or a willful ignorance or insensitivity to the real facts of a situation.

 

I was not trying to offend, but to say that the idea that all the Colts would be drafting would be back ups...to me.... is the very definition of obtuse. 

 

58 minutes ago, aavmarine said:

Don't get butt hurt from our comments. 

 

To be clear, I wasn't. Hope things turn out to your liking today.

 

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, aavmarine said:

No, but I would think they would do what ever they need to to do to jump up and get either Simmons or Lawrence who is projected to be the next Vince Wilfork. 

 

Simmons has off the field red flags, a torn ACL, & will likely mis the entire season, trading up for that would've been a nightmare. And I'm skeptical Lawrence is the next Wilfork... Quinnen Williams is on probably that level, but I don't see it with Lawrence.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Why is everyone so sure that Arizona is not willing to trade back for more picks? Not much difference between 33 and 34. Not trying to poo-poo on everyones theories, but the teams know Ballard will wheel and deal. So if I were set on a certain guy, I would call Arizona first. And I believe Arizona would not be against having more picks. So if a team is going to give up big picks to move up, I would bet they go to Arizona.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, Samu-Rye said:

Why is everyone so sure that Arizona is not willing to trade back for more picks? Not much difference between 33 and 34. Not trying to poo-poo on everyones theories, but the teams know Ballard will wheel and deal. So if I were set on a certain guy, I would call Arizona first. And I believe Arizona would not be against having more picks. So if a team is going to give up big picks to move up, I would bet they go to Arizona.

Probably more than one team willing to trade up.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, Samu-Rye said:

Why is everyone so sure that Arizona is not willing to trade back for more picks? Not much difference between 33 and 34. Not trying to poo-poo on everyones theories, but the teams know Ballard will wheel and deal. So if I were set on a certain guy, I would call Arizona first. And I believe Arizona would not be against having more picks. So if a team is going to give up big picks to move up, I would bet they go to Arizona.


It's very possible they look to trade but they desperately need OL help. And potentially CB help but they really need OL. I think they'd be wise not to pass on some of the guys left.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

 

Maybe Ballard could get a young starting player along with draft capital.  It looks like he's in the drivers seat.  L. Williams, N. Agholor as possibilities.  Anything is possible when a feeding frenzy takes place.  Now I'm even more excited.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 minutes ago, Samu-Rye said:

Why is everyone so sure that Arizona is not willing to trade back for more picks? Not much difference between 33 and 34. Not trying to poo-poo on everyones theories, but the teams know Ballard will wheel and deal. So if I were set on a certain guy, I would call Arizona first. And I believe Arizona would not be against having more picks. So if a team is going to give up big picks to move up, I would bet they go to Arizona.

Could be.  But they'll get picks by trading Rosen. 

 

They just drafted a new QB.  Usually a GM wants the new star to get a WR, or a RB, or an OT to help him, so they might want the BPA at 33.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Fisticuffs111 said:


Yup, even aside from the big trade Ballard recently said that he has a good relationship with their FO.

 

I'd say that the relationship has been pretty one-sided... the Jets traded us that pick last year, now they're entertaining potentially mortgaging their future while giving up SEVERAL picks to get it back.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, GoColts8818 said:

What I am seeing is that Ballard is sticking to his long term plan and not falling into the trap of getting a head of schedule and start swinging for Super Bowls before you have a proper foundation in place.  

 

The Colts might take a step back this year for years of future sustained success.  

 

Thats what Ballard is building for IMO, setting this team up for long term success and he knows the best way to do that is with draft picks and then using your money to re-sign guys you drafted and only using free agency to get a guy here or there.  

 

He also knows the more picks you have the better chance you have to get more special guys because you aren’t going to hit on every pick.  

 

Hes sticking to his plan and it might not be popular but if you look around the league it’s what most teams who have sustained success do.

What? If we don't have a foundation now, then how do you expect these same guys to win a SB in the future. Bill Polian tried this and it took him 9 years to get to a SB, even though we were the best foundation team in the regular season. Since then, 2 GMs are still trying this, and 10 years later we are still not a SB team. And since we don't like to give money to elite players in the off season that could come in and make an immediate impact, then what are we going to do with Leonard and Nelson when their contract are do? Are we going to start with a new foundation, because Ballard refuses to pay elite players?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

37 minutes ago, VaAllDay757 said:

I rather them use that 34th pick....so many good players available

Would be nice but seems Ballard is only interested  in project wrs. Instead of drafting a brown, campbell, or butler he may take some body like slayton later in the draft or Boykin. Then he will find some long athletic corner who might not be able to cover, but has the upside

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, chad72 said:

 

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me!!! :) 

 

Jets give up future 1st and current 3rd rounder for pick No.34 :) 

 

A lot of teams are calling about that pick. You might see a 1st if teams get into a bidding war. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

26 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

I'd say that the relationship has been pretty one-sided... the Jets traded us that pick last year, now they're entertaining potentially mortgaging their future while giving up SEVERAL picks to get it back.


Hah yeah, that's fair.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 minutes ago, Colts1324 said:

It seems that we are going to get more draft capital out our #34 overall pick than the #26 pick?! That is kind of a hard pill to swallow.

This is why I was so ticked last night. I was fine with trading out of the first. But not for what little return we got

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.

  • Thread of the Week

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Thanks for this as yes, I sometimes don't adequately express my take I guess..Ha!! Happens. 🤷‍♂️ But you are correct. Cam to me as you stated was never a consistently good QB at the NFL level and that is why I was never a fan of his game. I guess it's all about how one views what an NFL QB should be or look like. I'm not a fan of Lamar either as I think he is somewhat in the mold of that type of QB. Great athlete who just happens to play QB. Outside of that Raven scheme, I'm not sold on the fact the Jackson could ever flourish. It's why over 90% of the time if Lamar is needed to bring the Ravens out of a deficit he can't do it. It's not his game, yet there are those who think Lamar is superior and he has achieved personal accomplishments. Ravens do consistently win though but it's an entire team deal as their defense is normally rock solid to compliment that run first style. We don't have that here in Indy
    • I already laid out the injuries.  You can say what you want but one was the coaches pulling him in the Rams game because they were down multiple scores with little time left, two of the others were a concussion and a shoulder injury that required surgery so that rules out toughness.  Then the Steelers game he tried to comeback and clearly wasn’t moving well and it’s reported he has injury that does cause players to miss time and there is a chance he plays Sunday which seems to be counter productive to people who want argue he’s not tough enough.  None of those involve him lacking toughness.  It’s a nonsense argument made up by fans who are tired of him being injured.     also Richardson has taken wicked hits and hopped right back up from them.  To the point people complain about the league not protecting him with roughing the passer calls.  If he had no pain tolerance he wouldn’t get up from the those hits.   yes he needs to be better at protecting himself.  Again that has nothing to do with toughness.   Also I am not comparing him to Luck if you read my post.   I am pointing out Irsay is acknowledging they are being cautious with Richardson and injuries because of what happened with Luck.  That’s not comparing the two players.
    • IMO the only reason to not play Richardson (when healthy) is if you've given up on him. Joe Flacco has a role on this team and that role is secondary or tertiary to the main goal of this team at this moment - namely developing AR and figuring out if he can be our franchise QB. The best way to do both of those is to play him and let him gain experience and playing time... And, ultimately to get enough snaps that you feel comfortable with whatever decision you come to about his long term prospects. And IMO the only reason to bench him is if you think you've gotten the answer to that primary question and it is negative.    Otherwise, we are doing the same thing we were doing the last 3 years before we drafted him and IMO that's the worst place to be as a franchise in regards with your QB... Where you not only don't have a franchise QB but you don't even have the hope of having one on the roster.   I can't believe this conversation is even being had. If he can play... He has to play.
    • The kid chose not to slide to protect himself and was in a really awkward position when he did get a good NFL wallop. It’s absolutely brainless to do that after getting knocked out of games and the season.   Maybe he needs to sit on the bench for another season. Let him play  play play, what, for another game or two until the next stupid injury?  He still has a lot to learn and it looks like to me we are rushing an inexperienced kid into something he isn't quite prepared for.   AR seems humble, maybe a bit more humility regarding a possible Superman complex would serve him and the Colts very well long term.  What AR IS in years 4 and beyond is what Wise Colts fans should be concerned about. And yes, like me, many here are getting old enough we Want It Now! It's an unreasonable expectation for a kid that can't throw an out that isn't a mile high, and hasn't the sense of when and how to protect himself. 
    • I don’t listen to games anymore because I don’t work on Sundays anymore. But man sometimes listening to the game is better than watching it. Kinda miss Matt Taylor getting all pumped..  I-N-D-Y lol 
  • Members

    • stitches

      stitches 20,331

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • GoColts8818

      GoColts8818 18,075

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • JAS90

      JAS90 0

      Rookie
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Smonroe

      Smonroe 6,686

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Dingus McGirt

      Dingus McGirt 3,950

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • fantildaend1953

      fantildaend1953 2

      Rookie
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • NFLfan

      NFLfan 18,045

      Moderators
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Indeee

      Indeee 1,880

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Yoshinator

      Yoshinator 9,689

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • lincolndefan

      lincolndefan 93

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
×
×
  • Create New...