Colts contacted Raiders about Cooper

[csmopar]

14 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

 

So we shouldn't never ever sign a wr?? 

Regardless how much we need one or two ??

Double negative...

[threeflight]

I think the main issue some people have, like me for example, is the Colts could very easily win their division with just a few key additions.  The division is not tough at all. In fact it is downright easy.

So to even waste ONE YEAR of Luck's career by not giving him the best weapons available is to me a major mistake.

[jvan1973]

1 minute ago, threeflight said:

I think the main issue some people have, like me for example, is the Colts could very easily win their division with just a few key additions.  

So to even waste ONE YEAR of Luck's career by not giving him the best weapons available is to me a major mistake.

Cooper isn't going to dramatically improve this offense.    The balance we had today is what frank wants.   He doesn't want luck to throw 50 times a game.   If the o line can continue what they did today,  were on our way. 

[jvan1973]

35 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

 

So we shouldn't never ever sign a wr?? 

Regardless how much we need one or two ??

Ballard has signed several

[coltfaninnewyork]

I would not give up anything more than a 3rd .They laugh at it so be it .

[threeflight]

3 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Cooper isn't going to dramatically improve this offense.    The balance we had today is what frank wants.   He doesn't want luck to throw 50 times a game.   If the o line can continue what they did today,  were on our way. 

No one has any idea of that statement is true.

 

Cmon.

[jvan1973]

1 minute ago, threeflight said:

No one has any idea of that statement is true.

 

Cmon.

We had 4 passing tds today.   Do you think with Cooper we have 6?  I doubt it. 

 

If Ballard can get him for a third,  I would be cool with it.   But not a second

[Matabix]

Raiders get a 3rd and 7th and Eric Ebron for Cooper and a 2019 5th and 2020 5th. 

[GoColts8818]

Not shocking the Colts need another WR and he’s young and proven.  Might as well see the asking price and if it makes sense make a deal.  If it’s too rich then you contacted them and move on.

[#12.]

58 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Cooper isn't going to dramatically improve this offense.    The balance we had today is what frank wants.   He doesn't want luck to throw 50 times a game.   If the o line can continue what they did today,  were on our way. 

 

It was nice, but that was a once a year performance, if we're lucky.  

 

Sure, every coach would love to rush for 220 and force 5 turnovers every week, but that's not going to happen.  It's a passing league, and most weeks you're gonna have to pass to win.  Whether it's Cooper or whoever, we need another receiver... a reliable receiver who can win on the outside.  Might be the biggest weakness on the team.  

 

 

[jvan1973]

15 minutes ago, #12. said:

 

It was nice, but that was a once a year performance, if we're lucky.  

 

Sure, every coach would love to rush for 220 and force 5 turnovers every week, but that's not going to happen.  It's a passing league, and most weeks you're gonna have to pass to win.  Whether it's Cooper or whoever, we need another receiver... a reliable receiver who can win on the outside.  Might be the biggest weakness on the team.  

 

 

I agree we need another wr.  Giving a second for a guy with one year left is dumb

[richard pallo]

20 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

I agree we need another wr.  Giving a second for a guy with one year left is dumb

One year left?  You give him a new deal after his 5th. yr. option.  What's so hard about that?  He's easily worth a 2nd.   I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's wearing a shoe soon. 

[esmort]

6 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

One year left?  You give him a new deal after his 5th. yr. option.  What's so hard about that?  He's easily worth a 2nd.   I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's wearing a shoe soon. 

 

Yeah because working out new deals is easy... the FO and players/agents always agree.  Cooper would never want a deal that was based more off previous production than current/recent production. 

[Valpo2004]

I wouldn't give up too much for Cooper.   His yards per game has dropped pretty significantly from what he was 2 seasons ago.  

 

On top of that he's got this year and next year is his 5th year option year that they already took.  After that he's gonna want to be paid.

 

I'm thinking a 4th probably the highest I would go and I'm not even sure of that.  

[Valpo2004]

11 hours ago, richard pallo said:

One year left?  You give him a new deal after his 5th. yr. option.  What's so hard about that?  He's easily worth a 2nd.   I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's wearing a shoe soon. 

 

Because even if you do work out a deal with him then you are spending significant cap money on him.  So you not only invested a draft pick on him but you are investing cap money as well.  

[TheMarine]

Id like to see Fountain activated from the Practice Squad before signing/trading for Cooper.

 

*drools thinking of this offense with the current O-Line, Doyel, Ebron, Hilton, Cain, Mack and Fountain*

[jameszeigler834]

4 minutes ago, Valpo2004 said:

 

Because even if you do work out a deal with him then you are spending significant cap money on him.  So you not only invested a draft pick on him but you are investing cap money as well.  

He cant catch a cold. no idea what happened to him first two years he looked like he was on his way to be one of the league's best last two he has sucked.

[The Fish]

21 hours ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

4th & Wilkins maybe, not sure why we’d want to move Mack.

I certainly don't want to move Mack and after yesterday, I think the Bell talk can be shelved too.

[richard pallo]

36 minutes ago, Valpo2004 said:

 

Because even if you do work out a deal with him then you are spending significant cap money on him.  So you not only invested a draft pick on him but you are investing cap money as well.  

Sooo.  What's wrong with spending cap money?  Especially on a player who would have shown he deserves to be paid. .

[richard pallo]

35 minutes ago, jameszeigler834 said:

He cant catch a cold. no idea what happened to him first two years he looked like he was on his way to be one of the league's best last two he has sucked.

A two time 24 yr. old pro bowler suddenly loses it all by himself.   Sorry,  But I don't buy that logic. 

[Valpo2004]

2 hours ago, richard pallo said:

Sooo.  What's wrong with spending cap money?  Especially on a player who would have shown he deserves to be paid. .

 

If you are going to spend a high pick obtaining him you want some years on the contract with a low salary.  He doesn't have that.  

[BlueShoe]

On 10/21/2018 at 10:25 AM, John Waylon said:

Hakeem Nicks, Darius Heyward-Bey, Kamar Aiken, and now Ryan Grant...

 

We’ve had enough underwhelming additions at WR. No more right now, thank you. 

 

It’s really hard to find a good starting receiver in the draft. I believe the chances of Cooper becoming a stud is better than rolling the dice on a 4th round receiver in the upcoming draft

 

Bringing in Cooper could be a huge move for us. I would offer a 4th round pick. We would have a year and a half to evaluate him. If he is the worth the money then we pay him, else we let him go.

 

 

 

 

[Btown_Colt]

Well this can end now. Cooper to the Boyz for a 1st is what I just heard.

[Myles]

Well, he's a Cowboy now.

Cost them a 1st round pick.   For the Cowboys, it'll probably be in the 15-20 range. 

[Mr.Debonair]

Certainly okay with not giving up a First round pick for Coop.

[runthepost]

Well this thread is done

[John Waylon]

A first. The Cowboys just got fleeced. 

[jvan1973]

A first? Oh man.   The boys are desperate

[Luck 4 president]

So now the raiders have 3 additional 1st round picks, and will likely move more guys. 

And that’s good because we play them next week so now stopping the pass will be much easier

[John Waylon]

2 hours ago, BlueShoe said:

 

It’s really hard to find a good starting receiver in the draft. I believe the chances of Cooper becoming a stud is better than rolling the dice on a 4th round receiver in the upcoming draft

 

Bringing in Cooper could be a huge move for us. I would offer a 4th round pick. We would have a year and a half to evaluate him. If he is the worth the money then we pay him, else we let him go.

 

 

 

 

 

And right after you offered a 4th the silence wouldn’t be broken until the dial tone. 

[Boiler_Colt]

For a first? Dallas got hosed big time. Oakland now with 3 first rounders and wouldn't be surprised to see them shop Carr in the offseason.

[Barry Sears]

wow, that Gruden guy is one heck of a GM!! 

[twfish]

He wont cover up Daks inability too make a read.

[BlueShoe]

9 minutes ago, John Waylon said:

 

And right after you offered a 4th the silence wouldn’t be broken until the dial tone. 

 

And that would be fine. Some conversations do not need to go any further. Obviously the Raiders were offered more by the Cowboys than by the Colts. Plus we play the Raiders next week so any trade with the Colts would have likely been delayed until after Sunday. 

 

The Raiders ended up getting a first. Would have been too rich for me. In the end, the Cowboys might get a good deal here, but I think a low 3rd or high 4th is proper compensation at this time. 

[Farns01]

Now we have play against Cooper as a Cowboy instead of a Raider

[MTC]

I would NEVER trade a first round pick for Cooper. I do not know what the Cowboys were thinking. Wow.

[Yoshinator]

Well, we will definitely win next week Vs the Raiders. LOL. 3-5, here we come! Cowboys are dumb!

[Mr.Debonair]

3 minutes ago, MTC said:

I would NEVER trade a first round pick for Cooper. I do not know what the Cowboys were thinking. Wow.

Desperation

[Fisticuffs111]

Jerry Jones, what is you doing?

[PeterBowman]

7 minutes ago, MTC said:

I would NEVER trade a first round pick for Cooper. I do not know what the Cowboys were thinking. Wow.

Desperation....same when the Colts traded for Richardson