Btown_Colt

If you traded D. Jackson, same situation, no?

Kamara and Evans for Mixon and Brown

I thought you’d never ask!

By the way, just an extra point to this conversation. The Bears were 5-11 last year. Two of the players originally mentioned in this conversation are now playing for the Bears this year (Robinson and Mack), they already have a couple good running backs (I like Howard but wouldn’t call him a star RB) and this year they are now winning their division. They don’t have a TY Hilton or an Andrew Luck, but yet there they are...winning.

1st paragraph: You want 10 additional blue chip players, plus solid depth, plus the players already on the team? Any your gonna get all that next year by drafting top 5 instead of middle of the rounds and a few splashes in FA? LOL now THAT is unrealistic. You have a better shot at getting Mack, Barkley, and Robinson LOL. 2nd paragraph: Well, Ballard is the one that said it, so I guess he sat us all up for failure. 3rd paragraph (and most important so perk up): I didn’t bring * up or name any players. The person I originally responded to did....you are the one that jumped in without reading what he said. Your whole post is about what this team needs WITHOUT those 3 players he brought up, when we were talking about what this team would be WITH those three players. Try to let that sink in for a moment because your not quite grasping it. I tried to tell you that in my previous post, but you seemed to ignore it. Here one more time just for giggles, yes it’s unrealistic. No I didn’t expect Ballard to get Mack, Robinson, and a star RB last offseason. But this whole conversation started because a person said that even if the Colts had those 3 players, they would still be 1-5. That is the debate. Not if it’s realistic or not. Got it yet? Now get off my lawn please, thanks.

Come on, don’t go changing your original comment on me now. It doesn’t matter if Ballard went for him or not, that’s not what we were discussing. And your original comment didn’t just include Mack. You said even if they had Mack, a star RB, and Allen Robinson.....not just Mack. And you used it in the past tense as to say that if they had those 3 all season, it wouldn’t of made a difference, they would still be 1-5. That’s what I called out. Your the one that said it, not me. I’ve watched each game several times. I have that cool game pass thing you have. So I watch each game live, either on tv or at Lucas Oil Stadium, and then I watch them again on game pass. Cool story huh? After watching the games, I still 100% say that Mack, Saquon Barkley, and Allen Robinson DRASTICALLY changes the out come of the games this year and it’s not even close. They might not be undefeated, but they have a winning record and are contending in the play offs. The other teams would have to totally change the way they played against the Colts. And the Colts could have picked their poison on offense. And yes this is a stupid, unrealistic conversation.

Ok..so how many blue chip players do you think a team needs? How many do you expect to get next year with the benefit of drafting in the top 5 vs middle of the rounds? Seriously, if adding a game changer RB and solid #2 receiver on offense and the best defensive player in the NFL on defense doesn’t bring this team in to contention, then Ballard is going to need to his extend his 3 year plan. There is no way a team can have stars at every position. In this unrealistic scenario we are discussing, they would have 3-4 stars on offense at the skill positions with another 2-3 above average players. The line would be solid and full of mostly 1st and second rounders. The O would be almost unstoppable. The defense would have the best player on that side of the ball in the league, which would change the way every team schemed against them. The D would have several other several key pieces (Hooker, Leonard, Hunt, Autry). Turey would be an after thought so his job just got easier and he is already showing some progress as a rusher. The only thing the D would be missing is a star CB, that this defensive scheme isn’t really even dependent on. I think you are really underestimating what a game wrecker sack machine could do for the D. The Colts can only hope and dream the team would look like that after next years high draft picks.

LOL I knew that was going to come next, and now your moving the goal post. I never once said it was realistic, but that wasn’t the argument. Go back and read the conversation again. He was talking about the Colts being 1-5 and added that he didn’t think having Khalil Mack, a star RB, and Allen Robinson would of changed the 1-5 record. That’s what I called bull on. Thanks though.

By star RB I assume you mean a Bell, Gurley, Elliot, Barkley type running back. Allen Robinson, IMO, is a low tier #1 top tier #2 receiver. So this offense would have Luck, TY, Robinson, one of those RB’s, Ebron, and Doyle. Umm, yea that would have most definitely played a difference in our games this year. Mack is the best defensive player in the NFL and a sack machine. He is EXACTLY what this defense is missing. He is a game changer. He most definitely changes the way those games are played. We aren’t talking about 1 or 2 “players” on either side of the ball. The best defensive player in football, a star RB (Bell, Barkley, Gurley, etc) and low tier #1 high tier #2 WR. If adding the best defensive player in the NFL, a star RB and a top of the line #2 WR doesn’t help this team win games then the Colts should probably just trade Luck and start over because there is no hope. Heck even drafting 1st overall next year, we would be lucky to get a Khalil Mack, yet alone a Mack, Bell/Barkley, and Robinson. Give me a break.

I agree with the bolded. As to the next paragraph, I’m not one saying that but it’s called marijuana and no I will not stop smoking it!!! The third paragraph is pure crap. You really don’t think the best defensive player in the NFL and a star RB wouldn’t help this team? REALLY? Never mind adding in Allen Robinson who, I wouldn’t of paid what he got but, is better than any other receiver on the Colts not named TY. I mean if you honestly think adding Khalil Mack, a star RB and Allen Robinson wouldn’t have helped this team win some of those games...maybe you should smoke some of what I am smoking?

Yup. Chester & Pascal for Cooper.

Patience of a Bison, never heard that one before.

None taken. I never once said good teams wouldn’t lose or bad teams wouldn’t win. Your Vikings example doesn’t really work. The Rams are one of, if not the best, teams in the NFL. Aaron Rodgers is one of, if not the best QB in the NFL. You should of used the Vikings Bills game to prove your point, but again I never said good teams wouldn’t lose. Of course it’s a generalization and not a rule. But every week we are talking about how close we came to winning...and that is how the NFL works. It just about always comes down to a couple plays. The good teams make the plays needed to win more times than not. The bad teams make the crucial mistakes to lose more times than not. I don’t really think this is breaking news or a hot take. Man if he doesn’t fumble we win the game. Man if the defense could of kept them out of the end zone we could of won that game. Man if we hit that field goal we win the game. If we don’t throw that interception in the end zone we could of scored and won the game. These are all things fans of losing teams say.

I agree with that 100% but as far as this season goes, I’m just not gonna get my hopes up and would love to be wrong. On the bright side though...picking top 5 in the draft one more year wouldn’t be bad for this roster.

You do realize that’s football right? Every team could say well if this fumble didn’t happen, or we didn’t throw that interception, etc etc. Good teams find a way to win football games. Bad teams lose close games. We could very easily end up 1-6 after our next two games. I mean surely we will win some more games, but with the talent on the roster and the injuries stacking up, I can’t confidently say we will beat anyone week to week. Maybe the Raiders, maybe the Giants, maybe the Cowboys. That’s about as good as it gets for me.