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@chad72 Why cant you receive messages, you have them disabled?

Well that escalated quickly

I think the cultural aspects of places are the largest hurdles to mass changes. You have to be able to accept the Cons to go with the Pros of each. State run: you have to accept higher taxes and more say on what you can or cannot do at times. Privatized: Higher costs which can result in not being able to have insurance at all. Ironically I fell the US could do more to force prices down...lookin at you big pharma...increased demand on Medicare and Medicaid affect the cost of health insurance. However, population growth and aging population demand (baby boomers) are something that you just cant help. Plus like you said about populations being lazy and not staying healthy has increased the cost associated with healthcare due to increased chronic illnesses.

Maybe a few reports on how this has happened to dozens of people does not apply to whole of how NHS is supposed to work. But the evidence is out there that it happens. The specialists in the hospitals are openly complaining that the NHS is too restrictive on what and when they allow doctors to perform procedures. These restrictions lead to people not getting procedures they should and could otherwise get in non-state run healthcare systems. and I very well could be associating malpractice by doctors with NHS policies. But some of the reports were clearly stating that the NHS restrictions denied people from getting procedures done until it became too severe to cope on a daily basis. When preventative care and procedures would likely have been best in the long run for the individual and cost to NHS. Idk if your so high up that your "echelons above reality" as some like to say, but this is what is happening, this is what people think of the NHS. The policies and procedures in black and white might not be saying exactly this, but how they are implemented is creating these situations. I just needed a simple blood draw and a fibro liver scan. It was over 3 months to get them scheduled, and it was a full day off of work to complete. In the states that's a walk in and a couple hours. Top it off the cost was paid for by my insurance and no cost to NHS, course that doesn't matter if the system is just back logged. That speaks more towards your point about cuts to funding and lack of ability to hire more workers. Which is a highly unfortunate situation and wish you guys were more funded. But it's a zero sum game, the money has to come from somewhere. Either cut from someplace else, increase taxes, implement premiums, or expand co-pays.

No, they are just more likely to deny care, or put severe restrictions on when certain procedures, be it life saving or cosmetic, can be done. Which is the case in the UK and NHS. Which pointed out, that even degenerative issues are not being dealt with in the early stages because they do not meet the requirements. They wait until the individual is in worse shape before they are allowed to qualify. By then the persons quality life has significantly diminished, or in the example I gave, renders them unable to work before they can qualify. The customer of state run health systems is not the patient, its the government. That has, is, and will always be the case. Many, I wont say all because I haven't researched all, state run healthcare systems implement tight restrictions on when various surgeries or other procedures can or will be done. Long wait times for procedures are also an issue, scheduling for basic procedures can take months and even up to a year in some places. This is true of even the highly touted Norwegian healthcare system.

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From what I saw, the memo allowed, most all food places to stay open if they wanted and many other department stores. There was very little that is actually forced to close down. Or I just read it wrong, more likely the latter.

I like how the PM said shut everything down, and then the memo that came out basically left most stuff open, including open air markets that sell groceries. Saturday downtown is still just as packed as it has been. As far as the US base stuff goes. it's dependent on the commands, but the thought was that there would be less people around that you could maintain the social distance by just staying in your classroom. Bases here in the UK are allowing teachers to telework, at least the few around me.

I was talking about the medical system choosing to deny care based on cost/benefit analysis, rather than just taking care of the person, essentially a death panel. That has and is happening. That was my point from all of that. It did kind of grow into more information as to why this happens, and the issues with NHS. for my anecdotal, they went right after he hurt his arm. They refused to do an xray as they didn't think it warranted one. A week later the kid was still hurting and bruising, and finally they took one in the ED and showed that there was a break, exactly like the parents were saying.

my last post covered the medical aspect, but from a government societal measure; we all know these precautions being put in place about staying at home and avoiding everyone is not to try and stop the virus, it is to try and stop the healthcare systems from being overrun. This applies to the world and not just the UK however. 80% of the population is likely going to get it in some form or another and at some point or another. By teleworking, alternating shifts, and staying at home, you slow down the demand for medical services. So instead of one massive overwhelming wave that crashes the system and providers, it is a more manageable steady rise and plateau.

Hazel Fenton of Sussex back in 2009 was deemed only to have a few days to live, NHS withdrew anti-biotics and denied artificial feeding. She survived. Jack Jones was on the Liverpool Care Pathway plan when doctors thought his cancer had returned and became terminal. They put him in deep sedation and denied him food and water. He died not from cancer that he didn't actually have, but from a treatable infection. Of course Alfie Evans, which doctors withdrew care and then your government refused to allow his family to find care elsewhere. There are dozens more cases where the NHS is denying care for people yearly. There are books written about how bad the NHS is and its financial woes, and how badly its affecting patient care. Emergency care wait times are going up, routine care scheduling gets pushed far the right. It is becoming increasingly difficult for people to get through to their GP in order to schedule care, therefore pushing people to A & E. Twenty-seven percent of people are having to wait for more than a week and even up to 18 weeks care. Xray, MRIs, CT Scans, and ultrasounds are not meeting their NHS recommended 6 week time frame and one in seven people wait over three months. The list of restricted treatments continues to grow, to include hip replacements, knee surgery and hernia repair. The system requires patients to meet certain criteria in order to be eligible for treatment, such as the level of impairment, and sending these treatment decisions to a funding panel and taken out of the hands of the GP. Even your very own specialist associations are criticizing your restrictive policies. People can't afford to take off work for debilitating illnesses but the NHS can't or won't approve the care, making their situation worse. The UK Health Foundation points all this out: • Essential parts of the NHS in England are experiencing the worst performance against waiting times targets since the targets were set. This includes the highest proportion of people waiting more than four hours in A&E departments since 2004, and the highest proportion of people waiting over 18 weeks for non-urgent (but essential) hospital treatment since 2008. • The target for treating cancer patients within 62 days of urgent GP referral has not been met for over 5 years, and survey evidence suggests more people are experiencing lengthening delays in getting GP appointments. • Longer waits are a symptom of more people needing treatment than the NHS has the capacity to deliver. This reflects a decade of much lower than average funding growth for the NHS and workforce shortages, coupled with growing and changing population health needs. These pressures are exacerbated by cuts to social care and public health budgets, which make it harder to keep people healthy outside hospitals. • It will take sustained investment in the NHS and social care to reverse lengthening waits. This will include filling existing staff vacancies and growing the workforce, investment in buildings and equipment, and stabilising the social care sector. Anecdotal: My friends son fractured his arm, they went to the local hospital and they sent him home because they thought it was a sprain and didn't want to do an xray. His arm continued to be a problem and began to heal improperly. They had to re-set his arm and cast it.

Oh my goodness, I never said it will lessen transferability. If they are contracting them in the cities and markets, surfaces are being touched constantly by numerous people. The climate has nothing to do with whether or not it can be transferred, it affects how long the virus can be viable for contraction on surfaces. Right now the virus can survive much longer on surfaces when it is cold, than when it is warm. You are just as likely to get it from coming into contact with surfaces that has the virus on it as you do with being in close proximity and contact with those that have it.

Or they aren't reporting their numbers as much. North Korea for example hasn't had single case yet!

Ya those were the, take daily pills, versus the mefloquine which was once a week. You should if you catch it.