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dude you crazy need o'line first then defense line  don,t need Rb,s wr's are a qb's .  all you think about ?

You get what you can get when you can get it if it makes your team better.  I don't know if Carter will or not but the Colts do have a very real need at WR right now as they have Hilton, Moncreif and Whalen locked in for next year and that's it.  Nicks and Reggie are both free agents and Cribbs is a returner more than a WR.  So if the Colts have a chance to improve their WR depth right now they might as well.  This doesn't mean the Colts can't or aren't going to look to improve the front lines.  There just wasn't a young talented guy out there for the Colts to go get at those poistions right now there was a young WR to go get. 

 

As for Carter himself I remain skeptical to see if he'll pan out.  He's had more than his fair share of issues to this point. I also think if he was this great talent a NFL would have taken a chance on him before letting him get to the CFL.  With that said I do think if he keeps his head on right he could add some needed depth to our WR ranks so why not take the shot?  If he doesn't work out you release him.  I would just be careful before people dub him the "future" like people did with Rodgers. 

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I'm fine with the signing, but can't wait for people's dreams to be shattered when he doesn't put BIG numbers.  Please be able to admit fault when he doesn't.  I've seen so many people disappointed that Nicks only put up 400 yards and 4 TD's, being a 6th option most of the year, so if Nicks and Reggie isn't there next year it shouldn't be asking too much for this HOF son to have 1000 yds and 8 TD passes, right?  If Nicks or Wayne does come back you can still expect around 600 Yards and 6 TD's!  If you think that's unreasonable, perhaps your expectations for Nicks were a bit off!

 nicks was a wash up wr . lol

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Moncrief showed good potential this past year but was not consistent in his fairly limited opportunities.  Nicks seemed to improve a bit towards the end of the year, but was far from awesome.  The Pats totally took TY out of our offensive equation in the AFC Championship game (I love TY, but IMO he can't be a true #1 WR on his own, he needs at least one more serious threat at WR to let him get his chances to exploit defenses for big plays).  Carter has never played a down in the NFL.

 

I'm for bringing Nicks back, too (at the right price) -- but am nowhere near ready to call that four-some an awesome WR corps.

 

Folks putting D Carter ALREADY above a H NICKS in a potential 2015 lineup   ,,,      is comical. 

 

Simply comical.    D Carter will likely not make this roster next year.    If he does...  it will be as a 5th string for PS player.     "RANDY MOSS'S" do not just fall off of trees...    they fall to the mid FIRST round.        

 

Good Lord people..        

hicks is a washup  were carter was top 3 wr's  for passing yards also he rushed, kick returned . in the cfl , was pick the all stars 

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And according to his QB teammate, he is a spoiled brat who acts entitled.  No work ethic, bad teammate, self centered... basically said that anyone who gets him will get a garbage player.

 see a garbage player  got pic too all stars pro bowl only 62 players get choose for? top 3 wr in CFL. can catch,rush and return kicks.

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dude you crazy need o'line first then defense line  don,t need Rb,s wr's are a qb's .  all you think about ?

 

yea that all I think bout. Anyway, I think Carter will be a good WR but the fact is he's still an unproven CFL guy. So if Wayne retires are you really comfortable going into the season with Hilton, Moncrief, and Carter? I mean if we don't sign a WR in FA we will definitely draft one in the 2nd or 3rd. It would be irresponsible not to. The fact is this, assuming Wayne is gone we're bringing in another wide out, most likely through the draft. 

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yea that all I think bout. Anyway, I think Carter will be a good WR but the fact is he's still an unproven CFL guy. So if Wayne retires are you really comfortable going into the season with Hilton, Moncrief, and Carter? I mean if we don't sign a WR in FA we will definitely draft one in the 2nd or 3rd. It would be irresponsible not to. The fact is this, assuming Wayne is gone we're bringing in another wide out, most likely through the draft. 

 repeat we will not draft a wr in 2, 3 are 4 round ,  need Rb before a WR .  have ty, Moncrief , carter, Reggie with   Whalen

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 repeat we will not draft a wr in 2, 3 are 4 round ,  need Rb before a WR .  have ty, Moncrief , carter, Reggie with   Whalen

 

Maybe if Wayne comes back, but again, if he doesn't we will either sign a WR in free agency or we will draft one, and we may even if he does come back. I can assure you we wont go into the season assuming Carter will play up to his potential. Again, I think Carter will be great but you can not assume that bro. Example being this, If we did go into the season with your list of WR's and Reggie was playing awful because he's old, Carter wasn't  living up his potential and was struggling, then TY or Moncrief got injured. Then What? Assume Whalen has 1,000 yards and turns into the next Wes Welker?

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 play against new England  we sucked at passing   ty sucks rest sucked , fact. ty double team  took him out the game and happen before win moncreif  play he sucked   .  revis on him.  Reggie play sucked due too injury . not old age .  fact. nicks was no were.    defense were not afraid of moncrief , hicks are Reggie witch play with a injury

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? Unless I missed something that has nothing to do with this thread...

Earlier in the thread Superman posted this, so I assume that's what the poster is responding/referring to

Per Adam Schefter, the Colts and Luck are working on the parameters of a $25m/year deal.

I'll wait until I see something from someone else.

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Do you think there might be a possibility that he may have grown up a little in his time in Canada?

Well I hope Dad tells him to not blow this opportunity to catch passes from Andrew Luck of all people. And also conveys to him that the Colts will not mess around with 2nd chances, this is his 2nd chance IMO.  From an entitled brat to grown-up is a long road when he is coddled by Dad.  Perhaps Chris has "seen the light" too and no longer treats his kid like a fraternity brother.

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Not bad in a risk reward manner plus we have Allen and Fleener catching passes too. With Luck using check downs to the RB that's good too.

If the price is right I can see us bringing Hicks back on a 1 year for insurance. We'll probably draft a WR as well just not in the higher rounds. Too many other needs as well

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Well I hope Dad tells him to not blow this opportunity to catch passes from Andrew Luck of all people. And also conveys to him that the Colts will not mess around with 2nd chances, this is his 2nd chance IMO.  From an entitled brat to grown-up is a long road when he is coddled by Dad.  Perhaps Chris has "seen the light" too and no longer treats his kid like a fraternity brother.

How do you know what his family life was like? It seems to me Cris is very well aware of what it takes to make it in the NFL and how easy it is to screw it up.

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I highly doubt TY would have more yards, and am almost positive he wouldn't have 'way more' yards if he played in Jacksonville than Indy. 

 

TY has been good for us, but some teams have shown they can take him away if he's our only real big threat (see New England in the AFCCG).  Beyond that, we were 1st in the league with 305  yards/game -- Jacksonville was 31st in the league with 187 yards/game.  Sorry, but TY isn't going to make that team average ~120 yards more in the air -- if he went there, his numbers would most likely suffer.

It was just an example of a good WR on a bad team.  Kind of like Brandon Marshall before the emergence of Alshon Jefferies.  His numbers went down significantly.  Way to use TY against an outlier in New England to prove your point tho ;)

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 nicks was a wash up wr . lol

And your going to crown a CFL star without even playing a down in the NFL?  Odds are in favor of him letting people down vs. him meeting the ridiculously high expectations people on this forum, have for him.  Nicks really wasn't that bad...  I've asked multiple people many times to please show me somebody as a 5th and sometimes 6th option in an offense to put up bigger numbers.  NOBODY HAS!!!  People see him as a #1 or #2 as he was in NY, and still believe he should put up those numbers.  It's unreal expectations, that can't be met. 

 

Same spoiled fans who think we should be winning SB's by now with Luck... It was only his 3rd season and still rebuilding!!  UNREAL EXPECTATION

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May be a good signing, nobody quite knows right now. Although, I think he turns out to be in the Moncrief roll next season. Limited snaps during the beginning of the season and groomed further into a starting role towards mid to late in the season. I'm really curious on Reggie's thoughts right now on whether he is returning or hanging them up. He needs surgery on that tricep and it seems his body is at that point where it doesn't like football anymore.

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He hasn't had any problems since college as far as I can tell. And it seems like he has stayed out of trouble the last two seasons in Canada.

Stylistically, he is a pure prototype for a wide reciever. He is huge with very good speed. Two words you use to describe him is catch radius. The big issue I see with him is he is a bit lightweight and could stand to add a couple lbs of he wants to dominate NFL corners.

 

He's actually not that fast in terms of NFL wide receivers.  I would say he's about average in NFL terms.  I wouldn't expect him to be a burner.

 

However the catch radius thing is the big thing I like about him.  Hilton and Moncrief can both stretch the field, but we really need a guy who can latch onto any ball that you put near him.  Reggie was that guy for us but between age and injury he's just not that effective anymore.

 

Carter looks like he could play that role for us.

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Elle and Krug have been total busts proportionate to the MONEY given.. AJ.. the jury is still out..

John, I don't think they are busts, but I will say none of these guys seem to do as well in other places as they do in the Ravens system. I like your pickups of Jones and Redding, but all these guys seem to do better in Baltimore. My theory is we've been very fortunate to have deep drafts and a lot of depth on defense. This allows the Ravens to use these guys in their best capacities like run stuffing, or third down pass specialists . They are rotated like an outfield platoon to play to their strengths. Sometimes, when they go to other teams, they end up a full time outside linebacker instead of maybe a 3rd down pass specialist. Thus, it seems like they didn't do as well, but some of those areas weren't their specialty. You have to have the depth to do this, but the bad thing is for the Ravens, a lot of these guys get big bucks after four years, and you can't keep them.

I still like Art Jones. He is not as good as Ngata, but he's a nice player, and was injured this year. Krueger is simply a pass rusher, and used correctly, is what every team needs. Ellerbe saved the Super Bowl for the Ravens in 2012 with that tackle. I think Miami's defense improved with him in there. Is he Ray Lewis, no, but he's a quality linebacker.

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so was randy moss, worked out pretty well for him

Lets not compare the boy to Randy Moss ;)

 

I like the idea of having a tall receiver with some range tho. IDK anything about this Carter kid by if he's putting up those kind of numbers in the CFL I think he has a chance to be a good contributor in the NFL.

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  Odds are in favor of him letting people down vs. him meeting the ridiculously high expectations people on this forum, have for him.  Nicks really wasn't that bad...  I've asked multiple people many times to please show me somebody as a 5th and sometimes 6th option in an offense to put up bigger numbers.  NOBODY HAS!!!  People see him as a #1 or #2 as he was in NY, and still believe he should put up those numbers.  It's unreal expectations, that can't be met. 

 

 

I haven't read where many people had high expectations for him.   25-35 receptions as a 3rd or 4th WR would be good.  I think it would be a great signing.   Low risk/high reward.   Couple good seasons in the CFL.  Still young.   Great size.   I'd take him over Nicks right now just based on the size that the Colts need.    I wouldn't mind seeing Nicks back though.

I like this mostly because it may save a draft pick.   Colts may decide to draft a WR in a later round now. 

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  he was second leading wr.s in cfl and pick too play in cfl all stars.

 

The CFL doesn't even compare to the NFL.  He was playing against guys that, for the most part, couldn't make an NFL practice squad.  Sorry, those numbers mean very little to me.  Let's wait to see if he can translate it into the NFL before we crown him with anything.

 

 

It was just an example of a good WR on a bad team.  Kind of like Brandon Marshall before the emergence of Alshon Jefferies.  His numbers went down significantly.  Way to use TY against an outlier in New England to prove your point tho ;)

 

And Jay Cutler has also been pretty terrible, and Brandon Marshall has had to battle through injuries recently.  Look at TY's stats from last year.  Before Reggie got  hurt, when they were basically 1A and 1B --

TY had 5, 6, 5, 6, 9, 9 , 7 receptions (if he averaged 6.7 catches a game (7 games, 47 receptions), he would finish the year at 107 receptions).  Looking at his yardage those 7 games, he averaged 101.5 yards/game, which translates to 1625 yards in a 16 game season.

 

After Reggie got hurt when TY had to do it himself -- 6, 3, 3, 4, 5, 10 (monster game in CLE), 4 receptions per game.  He was held out in week 16 and had 0 in week 17.  In the 8 games he played where he was the primary focus he had 35 catches (4.375 catches per game -- over a 16 game season would be 70 receptions).  For the sake of giving him benefit of the doubt, I'll exclude week 17 - 35 catches in 7 games (5 catches per game -- or 80 catches over a 16 game season).  He had a very big day in Cincy, a good day in Denver, and was totally shut out against New England in the playoffs.  Including week 17 he average 79.25 yards/game (1,268 yards in 16 games) or excluding week 17 he averaged 90.5 yards/game (1449 yards in 16 games).  Either way, his production was better when Reggie was healthy.

 

TY is a big play threat.  I like TY a whole lot and I'm glad he is on our team.  However, his stats were much better when he had a legitimate threat as the other WR (i.e., an uninjured Reggie Wayne).  TY is a great big play threat, but if that is all we have, teams can (and will) take him away.  We need to give him a legit threat to allow him to exploit mismatches in the defense or 1-on-1 coverage.  I think this is even more important since TY is a small WR and doesn't like getting hit.  If we have to rely on him as our primary guy (i.e., THE number 1, with no 1A or no proven #2), and teams can take away his deep threat, it will mean we'll need to feed him the ball more in areas where he'll have to take punishment.

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