Last Play of Game (Werner)

[chrisfarley]

#92 slid over to his left and clogged up Fowler's 2-point attempt.  Basically, he just dove right into the running back's path which thwarted their two left-side very large lineman (Taylor Lewan, Byron Bell), which is what they had success doing on the TD that Fowler scored earlier.  So it was a very smart play by Werner to know that was coming again (or to guess it was) and very brave at the same time to put yourself at the bottom of that 650 pounds of lineman.

[ProblChld32]

His best skill set is against the run, i actually thought that Werner had a pretty decent game besides a few mishaps. People discredit Werner for not being a pass rush specialist. He can still provide some decent pressure, but his strong suit is against the run and i am absolutely ok with that given the fact that we were god awful against the run.

[Smonroe]

#92 slid over to his left and clogged up Fowler's 2-point attempt.  Basically, he just dove right into the running back's path which thwarted their two left-side very large lineman (Taylor Lewan, Byron Bell), which is what they had success doing on the TD that Fowler scored earlier.  So it was a very smart play by Werner to know that was coming again (or to guess it was) and very brave at the same time to put yourself at the bottom of that 650 pounds of lineman.

 

Let's also thank the Titan's coaches for calling the play...again.  They probably thought we wouldn't recognize it.

 

Take the ball out of the hands of one of the most mobile QBs in the game and blast your FB up the middle!  Thank you Tennessee.

[deadman]

Hate to be too negative on the guy but it seemed like he lucked into falling in the right spot. I don't think he *read* anything, it was more of a right place at the right time scenario.

[lollygagger8]

I watched Werner exclusively on quite a few plays and he is complete garbage for a pass rusher. He might even be the epitome of anti-pass rusher. 

 

He starts after the QB, and pulls back on his speed rush like he's scared of pushing the O-Lineman or something. It's very strange and counter productive. 

 

I think he lucked into "falling" into the right place as well. 

 

I can't wait until Mathis is taken off his pitch count or just leave Newsome and Walden out there. Cole has been ineffective thus far as well unfortunately.  

[csmopar]

Hate to be too negative on the guy but it seemed like he lucked into falling in the right spot. I don't think he *read* anything, it was more of a right place at the right time scenario.

I'm right there with you.....lets see if it lights a fire under him to actually do something good on a regular basis

[Smash Mouth]

His best skill set is against the run, i actually thought that Werner had a pretty decent game besides a few mishaps. People discredit Werner for not being a pass rush specialist. He can still provide some decent pressure, but his strong suit is against the run and i am absolutely ok with that given the fact that we were god awful against the run.

Not sure that people discredit him.  Lay this one on Grigson for drafting him under the premise that Werner could pass rush as a weak side LB in this defense.  Werner was and is a strong side LB.  I don't like seeing him and #93 on the field together.  There's no pass rush unless we're blitzing leaving us vulnerable on the back-end.

[Dark Superman]

There is still hope for Chad Bratzke.

 

I mean Bjoern Werner..

[John Waylon]

Werner didn't have an awful game yesterday.

And by that I mean he wasn't hurting us, not that he was necessarily doing good things.

I agree, he was just in the right place at the right time on the 2pt try.

He's really just kind of a wasted roster spot, really.

[Myles]

I like Werner.    He's pretty good against the run unlike other Colt players.   The Colts need that.      

[Dustin]

He fell down lol

[braveheartcolt]

Right place at the right time. The NFL in a nutshell......

[pac2]

Hate to be too negative on the guy but it seemed like he lucked into falling in the right spot. I don't think he *read* anything, it was more of a right place at the right time scenario.

I even backed the play up and watched it again. He didn't fall into it, he didn't slide over and stop it, he was grabbed and thrown down and happened to be in the way of the ball carrier. So tell me again why we still have him??

[SteelCityColt]

The commentary team were practically screaming for a naked bootleg.

[SteelCityColt]

I even backed the play up and watched it again. He didn't fall into it, he didn't slide over and stop it, he was grabbed and thrown down and happened to be in the way of the ball carrier. So tell me again why we still have him??

 

That's really not how it happened at all, he beats 88 straight up off the snap shoving him into the run lane blocking Fowler and then steps up to take on another blocker (97), 

 

I mean the guy is not good but let's give him credit when he's earned it at least. 

[Andrew Luck's Beard]

Werner didn't have an awful game yesterday.

And by that I mean he wasn't hurting us, not that he was necessarily doing good things.

I agree, he was just in the right place at the right time on the 2pt try.

He's really just kind of a wasted roster spot, really.

What FA OLB would you replace him with? I think that he's not the best, but he does get the job done.

[John Waylon]

What FA OLB would you replace him with? I think that he's not the best, but he does get the job done.

Like in the pre-season when he had a staggering 0 tackles against 2nd, 3rd, and 4th string players?

Certainly his production is irreplaceable.

[chrisfarley]

That's really not how it happened at all, he beats 88 straight up off the snap shoving him into the run lane blocking Fowler and then steps up to take on another blocker (97), 

 

I mean the guy is not good but let's give him credit when he's earned it at least. 

Agree.  I also agree he doesn't deserve a ton of accolades for the single play, but he is who he is.  We drafted him, we live with him.

[Coffeedrinker]

Like in the pre-season when he had a staggering 0 tackles against 2nd, 3rd, and 4th string players?

Certainly his production is irreplaceable.

And if he had put up big stats in the preseason you would say something a long the lines of, "Who cares it's preseason."

 

But this board is very funny on the players that are hated.

 

Werner:

 

Forum(In General) He's terrible he can't do anything.  

• Then he make a play that seals the win for the Colts...  

Forum(In General) : Well, he just got lucky, I think he tripped and just fell at the right place.

 

Oline:  

Forum(In General):  They are terrible Barry Sanders couldn't run behind this line

• Then Gore (when he's actually used properly) averages 6.1 ypc and finishes the Colts final drive with several hard runs that chew yards and clock.

Forum(In General):  Boy that Gore can even produce when the line doesn't block for him at all.

[SteelCityColt]

He fell down lol

 

 

I even backed the play up and watched it again. He didn't fall into it, he didn't slide over and stop it, he was grabbed and thrown down and happened to be in the way of the ball carrier. So tell me again why we still have him??

 

To be clear, I really don't think this is an amazing play at at all, but we've reached the point with Werner were any positive play is good and I won't see him badmouthed like this

We can see here him lined up and the intended run lane. 

 

 

Gets off the snap fairly decently engages 88..

 

After doing amazingly well (by his standards) to pancake 88 into the running lane, he does get lucky stumbling into 97, but hey he's taken another blocker out the game and it's a numbers game.

 

He made a good play, let the guy have it.

[John Waylon]

And if he had put up big stats in the preseason you would say something a long the lines of, "Who cares it's preseason."

But this board is very funny on the players that are hated.

Werner:

Forum(In General) He's terrible he can't do anything.

• Then he make a play that seals the win for the Colts...

Forum(In General) : Well, he just got lucky, I think he tripped and just fell at the right place.

Oline:

Forum(In General): They are terrible Barry Sanders couldn't run behind this line

• Then Gore (when he's actually used properly) averages 6.1 ypc and finishes the Colts final drive with several hard runs that chew yards and clock.

Forum(In General): Boy that Gore can even produce when the line doesn't block for him at all.

Well thanks for telling me what I would say. Glad you seem to know better than I do. (Not sure how that works, but damn the logic anyways!)

If you'd have been paying attention through the years you would know that in fact I would not praise Werner for having a good pre-season. I never gave Hughes the benefit of the doubt when he showed well in the pre season because I knew it wasn't going to carry over. In fact, I even told people outright to temper their expectations for Hughes because it wasn't going to translate.

And I was right. 100% of the time I was right. Hughes never produced anything meaningful in his time here.

Werner has been trash since he got here. Argue all you want, facts are facts. He's been such a disappointment that the vast majority of fans and media that cover this team openly wondered how he made the 53 man roster.

He was in the right place at the right time yesterday. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. One play does not a career save.

[Superman]

Like in the pre-season when he had a staggering 0 tackles against 2nd, 3rd, and 4th string players?

Certainly his production is irreplaceable.

 

Why replace him, rather than just letting him play the position he's best suited for? He's fine at Sam. 

[Mr.Debonair]

He played better than Walden. Walden hasn't done much since the preseason

[Ryan Pelley]

Give this man a contract extension.

[12dalegend]

The commentary team were practically screaming for a naked bootleg.

Glad they didʻnt....could have gone to OT

[Coffeedrinker]

Well thanks for telling me what I would say. Glad you seem to know better than I do. (Not sure how that works, but damn the logic anyways!)

If you'd have been paying attention through the years you would know that in fact I would not praise Werner for having a good pre-season. I never gave Hughes the benefit of the doubt when he showed well in the pre season because I knew it wasn't going to carry over. In fact, I even told people outright to temper their expectations for Hughes because it wasn't going to translate.

And I was right. 100% of the time I was right. Hughes never produced anything meaningful in his time here.

Werner has been trash since he got here. Argue all you want, facts are facts. He's been such a disappointment that the vast majority of fans and media that cover this team openly wondered how he made the 53 man roster.

He was in the right place at the right time yesterday. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. One play does not a career save.

I don't know better than you.  But I like you as a poster and I've read enough of your posts to make a logical guess.

 

As far as the rest, you basically confirmed what I said, that if he produced huge stats in the preseason you would dismiss it and claim, who cares it's the preseason. (I mean you did with jerry Hughes and all).  I just find it funny that you dismiss good stats in the preseason then you can't use bad stats in the preseason to prove a point.

 

I don't believe I ever claimed that one play would save a career.  But the "Right place, right time" argument is funny... that is what football is... the Coaches design plays and formations so players can be in the right place at the right time, then when the player is in the right place at the right time and does what he is supposed to do, that is called a good play.  

[ColtsLegacy]

Like in the pre-season when he had a staggering 0 tackles against 2nd, 3rd, and 4th string players?

Certainly his production is irreplaceable.

Bjoern Werner had 6 tackles and 4 stops during the preseason. Jon Newsome in the same amount of run plays had 2 tackles and 0 stops. Also, as pass rushers, Bjoern had 1 more rush than Newsome. Bjoern had 1 hit, 3 pressures, and 1 BP. Newsome had 1 hurry, that's it.

This has carried over to regular season. Newsome is useless vs the run and hasn't been any better than Bjoern at rushing. Where as Bjoern is a much better run defender than Newsome.

[pac2]

 

From the game picture, I see him being grabbed and thrown down. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

To be clear, I really don't think this is an amazing play at at all, but we've reached the point with Werner were any positive play is good and I won't see him badmouthed like this

We can see here him lined up and the intended run lane. 

 

 

Gets off the snap fairly decently engages 88..

 

After doing amazingly well (by his standards) to pancake 88 into the running lane, he does get lucky stumbling into 97, but hey he's taken another blocker out the game and it's a numbers game.

 

He made a good play, let the guy have it.

 

[SteelCityColt]

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From the game picture, I see him being grabbed and thrown down. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

That's a picture after the initial contact with 88.. The film ain't opinion, it's what happened.

[DougDew]

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From the game picture, I see him being grabbed and thrown down. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Yes.  I saw the replay during the game. He was held rather badly.  #97 hugged him and spun him to the ground.

[NewColtsFan]

"Paging Bill Bellichick to the White Courtesy Phone!!      Paging Bill Bellichick to the White Courtesy Phone!!

 

There are some knuckleheads who are in serious need of football knowledge!     Please Pick Up!!"
 

 

Dear God,  this is just so painful.....    

[CoachSmok3]

His best skill set is against the run, i actually thought that Werner had a pretty decent game besides a few mishaps. People discredit Werner for not being a pass rush specialist. He can still provide some decent pressure, but his strong suit is against the run and i am absolutely ok with that given the fact that we were god awful against the run.

 

agreed and happy now hes on the left side in the position he is. I think he def has a lot of upside in terms of setting the edge in the run game. I believe too his pass rush will improve with time. I put him in the same skill set as Walden and Cole. 

 

i think people down play Werner due to his 1st round pedigree; however, I think more time and allowance to maximize his strengths, the more his weaknesses will be cleaned up, and he will become a solid/consistent contributor to this defense

[NewColtsFan]

Well....   according to the coaches,  it was Bjorn Werner who deserves great credit for blowing up the play at the goal line.

 

But hey,   what do they know?    They're only the coaches!

 

 

http://www.colts.com/news/article-1/Bjoern-Werner-%E2%80%9CDestroys%E2%80%9D-Titans-Game-Tying-Conversion/d71b6520-354f-4342-b3b6-5705d688b24a

 

 

p.s. -- there are nearly 10 posters in this thread who made complete fools of themselves.   But that won't stop them from doing it again and again.

[Jason_]

He played better than Walden. Walden hasn't done much since the preseason

 

Have you watched any of the games since preseason?

[throwing BBZ]

That's really not how it happened at all, he beats 88 straight up off the snap shoving him into the run lane blocking Fowler and then steps up to take on another blocker (97), 

 

I mean the guy is not good but let's give him credit when he's earned it at least. 

 

 These are the same type ___ who bad mouthed Jerry Hughes out of town after he had a very solid season, once he had been given a chance. Jokes!

[Coffeedrinker]

I think one of the most telling thing about Werner is his snap count.

 

Week 1: 3 defensive snaps

Week 2: 27 defensive snaps

Week 3: 34 defensive snaps

 

I know people don't like to admit it but the coaches are giving him more playing time because he's earning it by being effective when he's in the game.

[Coffeedrinker]

 These are the same type ___ who bad mouthed Jerry Hughes out of town after he had a very solid season, once he had been given a chance. Jokes!

They probably are the same type of posters but I can guarantee you that nothing said on this forum had any bearing n Jerry Hughes leaving the Colts.

[SteelCityColt]

They probably are the same type of posters but I can guarantee you that nothing said on this forum had any bearing n Jerry Hughes leaving the Colts.

 

Jerry Hughes will remain a bit of an oddity for me. I can get he was frustrated at having to wait in line for snaps but through two FOs he really didn't want to be here. No wonder he didn't play to the best of his abilities, unhappy players don't tend to be productive players. I'd love to know what his beef was. 

[Coffeedrinker]

Jerry Hughes will remain a bit of an oddity for me. I can get he was frustrated at having to wait in line for snaps but through two FOs he really didn't want to be here. No wonder he didn't play to the best of his abilities, unhappy players don't tend to be productive players. I'd love to know what his beef was. 

I always liked Hughes.  I thought he did everything well except rush the passer.  He played the run well, his field awareness was top notch, he was the only one of the three (Mathis, Freeney and Hughes) who could play the bootleg effectively and disrupt the QB when he tried it.  And I think his issue with rushing the passer was just a playing time thing.  It's takes a series or two to learn how the olineman plays and how he counters your moves, etc.

[Gavin]

I always liked Hughes.  I thought he did everything well except rush the passer.  He played the run well, his field awareness was top notch, he was the only one of the three (Mathis, Freeney and Hughes) who could play the bootleg effectively and disrupt the QB when he tried it.  And I think his issue with rushing the passer was just a playing time thing.  It's takes a series or two to learn how the olineman plays and how he counters your moves, etc.

Have you watched the all 22 yet? I went back and graded Thornton at 94.5 blocking percentage 52 of 55, He had the penalties but I think 2 were questionable. I think Im pretty accurate but was looking to get your view here. Its over in the Hugh Thornton thread. He had 2 misses in the 1st quarter and I believe 1 in the late 3rd quarter