Did anyone agree with Mike Carey on his ruling? Is this a fumble or an incomplete pass?

[ReMeDy]

I made a .gif really fast. This was Andre Johnson immediately after the catch. Mike Carey was offering commentary to the analysts, claiming this was an incomplete pass, NOT a fumble. The ruling by the real referee on the field was a fumble, and the Colts gained possession after falling on it. Mike Carey basically said Andre Johnson did not have full control of the ball, therefore even though he makes a "football move," it doesn't matter. He didn't have control of the ball to begin with. He says to look at the ball... It wasn't cradled.

 

I need to get my eyes checked, cause Mike Carey is seeing something I'm not. Johnson had control of it. Using two hands, he hugs the ball into his chest. It's not until he goes to stiff arm a defender when he loses control.

Even when the decision was ruled a fumble, Mike Carey stuck to his guns and disagreed with the call. This same replay from the same angle was replayed in slow motion as Mike Carey defended his opinion with no uncertainties in his voice.

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Clear fumble Carey was high.

[runthepost]

The ball was moving before the hand of vontae comes in

[Dr. Guildo]

A fumble is a fumble to me when you make the catch then put both feet down, and turn your head. The guy is a former official for a reason... and after hearing him immediately rule it incomplete I think I know why. 

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The ball was moving before the hand of vontae comes in

vontae had no effect, he fumbled on his own

[ColtsLegacy]

The ball was moving before the hand of vontae comes in

 

What's your point? It's still a fumble whether Andre dropped it on his own or Vontae caused it. Andre clearly gained control of the ball before losing it. As open widow so eloquently put it "Carey was high".

[GoColts8818]

That's a fumble. He caught it put it away and took three steps and then it poped out. I know it was moving but it was moving after it was clear he had possision of it.

[coltcub64]

I personally thought Carey was wrong...and nuts. Of course, I also thought that when he was an official, especially during Colts games he did....

[GoColts8818]

I personally thought Carey was wrong...and nuts. Of course, I also thought that when he was an official, especially during Colts games he did....

i thought Carey was one of the better officials the NFL had. He was wrong tonight though.

[Superman]

The only way that's called an incomplete pass is if the receiver is going to the ground while trying to complete the catch. In this case, when he's on his feet and not going to the ground, as soon as he establishes control of the football -- cradled or not, football move or not, two steps or not -- it's a catch. 

[ColtsLegacy]

I personally thought Carey was wrong...and nuts. Of course, I also thought that when he was an official, especially during Colts games he did....

 

He did what!? This cliffhanger is going to drive me crazy!

[ReMeDy]

Hmm, it'd be funny if I posted this exact same thread on a Houston Texans forum and they all say it's incomplete, lol.

[HungarianColtsFan]

Well, Andre Johnson took three full steps with the ball, IMO he had full control of it, however he held it loose so with little impact from Vontae he fumbled it. Anyway Johnson's reaction was speaking for itself, he knew he fumbled it.

[Dr. Guildo]

Hmm, it'd be funny if I posted this exact same thread on a Houston Texans forum and they all say it's incomplete, lol.

One of the Texan's forum was funny because their fans were sure the Reggie pass was going to be ruled a catch because in their words "they never get any calls." The Johnson play was the end for them with one guy calling Carey's opinion "doodoo." I love seeing what other fans think about calls in games.

[zibby43]

Carey's "analysis" of that play was egregiously irresponsible. 

 

He must have Andre Johnson on his fantasy team.

 

How he could be that convinced makes me really wonder about officiating.  He didn't even think there was a remote possibility that it could be a fumble. 

[Dr. Guildo]

Carey's "analysis" of that play was egregiously irresponsible. 

 

He must have Andre Johnson on his fantasy team.

 

How he could be that convinced makes me really wonder about officiating.  He didn't even think there was a remote possibility that it could be a fumble. 

I don't even think he saw the slow motion replay before blurting out it was incomplete. I'm glad the people back in New York get to look at the plays too because the refs are bad. 

[LordHelpOurColts]

It's a fumble.  Carey is a dunske

[a06cc]

One of the Texan's forum was funny because their fans were sure the Reggie pass was going to be ruled a catch because in their words "they never get any calls." The Johnson play was the end for them with one guy calling Carey's opinion "doodoo." I love seeing what other fans think about calls in games.

You know your not right for doing that lol

[New Zealands #1 Colts Fan]

All i can say is thank god hes not on the field anymore.  That wouldve been an atrocious call regardless of what team you support

[SteelCityColt]

So let me check my understanding with the more knowledgeable of you, I believe that the whole number of steps taken line of argument doesn't matter, the key is control of the ball. So in theory he could "juggle" the ball a good 10 yards say before dropping it and it wouldn't be classed as a fumble? 

 

In this specific case Johnson caught it with 2 hands before shifting it to 1 hand to rush with the ball during which he lost control of the ball. That says to me it's a catch and that the fumble occurred during this 2nd motion. 

[New Zealands #1 Colts Fan]

currently votes are 26-0 so i guess Carey not a member of this forum

[CroatianColtsFan21]

that "mike pereira wannabe" was getting on my nerves this whole season, even before this game, he has the dumbest explanations and usually gets it wrong..

 

the most iritating thing is how confident he is every time, he should just quit..

 

"it's clearly an incomplete pass, it's coming back, oh yeah, it's definitely coming back..." 

[TonyBungee]

I also thought it was a catch & fumble. But here's what's wrong with how they're calling it these days: if the exact same thing happened in the end zone, they'd call it an incomplete pass.

[Zachris]

I know what the guy was saying that he didn't have control or had put it away.  He would be right if putting it away was his first move with the ball.  To me, why the on the field Ref said it was a fumble, he caught the ball and as someone else said, for a step or so, he had put the ball away by having both hands tight on the ball, against his chest.  He had complete control of the ball.  When he decided to move the ball away from his chest, is when he lost it.  Which is a fumble.  Even Johnson knew it was a fumble.

[Malakai432]

I think the reaction of AJ states it, he was MAD, slammed his helmet on the bench. He seemed to clearly think it was a fumble and didn't even seem to dispute it by his reactions. Looked like a fumble to me.

[jbaron04]

25 steps it's a fumble

[SteelCityColt]

I think the reaction of AJ states it, he was MAD, slammed his helmet on the bench. He seemed to clearly think it was a fumble and didn't even seem to dispute it by his reactions. Looked like a fumble to me.

 

Or he could have been mad at the poor call?   Just playing advocate of the horned one.. I'm pretty sure it was a fumble. 

[King Colt]

I too thought is waas a fumble but Andre confirmed it by slamming his helmet to the ground, who knows better than the guy carrying the ball?

[pgt_rob]

Total fumble. He caught the ball, took 3 steps, and then it slipped out of his hands before he was tackled. Mike Carey is an id*ot.

[lollygagger8]

Why does Mike Carey even get to be on TV? Did nobody else say yes to the job? He's up there with Jeff Triplette.

 

His head is so big it can't even fit in the picture.

 

[Valpo2004]

He had full control of the ball and started to cradle it.  His inability to cradle it correctly doesn't make the pass incomplete.  

 

But both hands tightly clench the ball and it's clearly a catch.  

 

Andre Johnson himself knew it was a fumble, you could tell by his reaction.  He wasn't politicking for it to be an incomplete pass, he walked off the field and threw his helmet down and was clearly mad at himself, not the refs.

[IndyD4U]

And we now know why Mike Carey is no longer an official in the NFL

[HOZER]

And we now know why Mike Carey is no longer an official in the NFL

EXACTLY my thoughts, and for him to be on TV is a joke, he's clearly blind or has an agenda.

[Valpo2004]

And we now know why Mike Carey is no longer an official in the NFL

 

I think I was watching another game in which they where getting his opinion on and his opinion in that game clearly differed from the refs in that case too.  I can't remember which game it was or if it was even a Colt's game or not.

 

And remember this year the NFL refs are essentially plugged into the NFL head office while making the call so, their call is pretty much the same as the head office's call on replays.

[BlueShoe]

Mike Carey was wrong on this one.

[ProblChld32]

It was a fumble he secured the ball and made a football move before Vontae came in....i watch the play several times he had it tucked and took at-least 3 steps before Vontae came in. ball showed no movement while it was tucked. It was ruled correctly. 

[BlueShoe]

EXACTLY my thoughts, and for him to be on TV is a joke, he's clearly blind or has an agenda.

 

I don't believe he has an agenda. I just believe he was wrong about it. 

[ricker182]

I don't know what freaking planet you have to be on to think that was an incomplete pass.

IIRC Mike Carey also thought that last fumble by Fitzpatrick was a forward pass.

Maybe they need to go back to his officiated games and review them. He doesn't know the rulebook.

[HOZER]

I don't believe he has an agenda. I just believe he was wrong about it.

I recall many prior bad calls against the Colts when he was officiating.......but of course I do have an agenda

[BrentMc11]

Why does Mike Carey even get to be on TV? Did nobody else say yes to the job? He's up there with Jeff Triplette.

 

His head is so big it can't even fit in the picture.

 

This is why Mike Carey spend 10 minutes in the replay booth.  We almost never got a call from him....a lot of "Play stands as called" because he was scared to make a decision.  Why?  See this ridiculous call.

 

We should be glad the retired Ron Winter is not on TV.  He would have to meet with his 'team' of officials even before 10 minutes in the booth.