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When looking at the draft now, and considering I believe we are done in FA, now the question will be where will we go 1st round. I believe it is between an offensive guard or a WR

 

With the signing of Franklin, and the addition of multiple FA's to the defense, I  think our defense looks pretty solid right now. On paper, it looks so much better than last year. I don't believe we need to go defense first round now. Next our other FA pickups on the offensive side solidified the Offensive line, but we still could use a solid guard.

 

I don't think any of the highly regarded guards are going to drop to us in the first round. If we trade back though I would love to get Warford. The other option is it is time for us to get a tall, speedy receiver who hopefully evolve into our number 1 option in time. I think we should get our WR this year for two reasons:

 

First, it will give whoever we pick time to mesh with the young group of receivers and TE's we have right now, so after a year or two, we have a very cohesive group, which I believe is something Grigson wants. The other reason is at the position we are picking at, and the needs other teams have picking in front of us should leave us the chance to get a really good WR. Someone who normally would have gone higher, but due to the depth of OL and DL in this draft, many WR are going to fall. I would love Keenan Allen, with that 6 4" frame and speed, but I do worry about the knee. Hopkins would be a good choice also. Regardless, I think after the Franklin signing, we can start narrowing down what we are going to look for in the first round.

 

Of course Grigson could throw caution to the wind and just go BPA. We will see in about 5 weeks. Wow how time flys.

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I don't see OT as a 1st round need right now.

 

But OG is still one.   And we could still trade down and get either Warford or Pugh at the top of the 2nd R....

 

The other thing I still think is in play on the defensive side with a high pick is either a pass rusher of some type, or (sorry, Brian)  a cornerback.     You can never have enough of either in my opinion....   

 

So those would be other options for a high 2nd round pick...

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I don't think we go OT in the first round.  Castonzo is young and improving while Cherilus is pretty good and is just 28.  Unless they draft an OT and plan on moving him to guard, I don't think we go OT.  With that said, it's hard to speculate when we don't even know what the draft board is going to be like when our pick comes

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Sorry, I did not mean OT in my title. If you look at my first line, it is OG I talk about. I agree we won't go after a tackle, but would love a great guard.

 

Also, I agree on Hunter. The only thing scaring me off him is he has a lot of drops, and I thought he would be rated much higher. I believe he has some baggage teams don't like. Regardless, with his speed and height, if he is coachable I would be happy to have him, but still prefer Keenan Allen.

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I have zero idea who or what position the colts will draft and anybody who thinks they do is just fooling themselves.

 

You'll have to wait for Jim Irsay's next coded message from twitter .  Although you'd probably have better Luck making sense of Nostredames's predictions compared to the rambling's of a liquored up owner IMO .

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6'2" Keenan Allen
If 4.53 is his 40 time that is not impressive. Everything else about him sounds good.

Pass rusher is what they hope is there. IMO
Then WR - CB.
 

WR may be a concern.
The PLAN, i would think is to get this group to a AFC Championship game BEFORE Luck wipes out the Cap space.

This year Very Unlikely with a New Offense, all these new players... etc.

But year 3-4 of Luck- Hammer at the door.

T.Y.  should be A Man in years 3-4.
Reggie ????
Anyone else???
A WR this year- That is why they are looking hard for a guy. IMO

 

Hopkins 40 time is a concern. 4.57

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I'm not a huge fan of Justin hunter hes too inconsistent. I might be in the minority on this, but I actually like his old teammate Da'Rick Rogers better than him, as well as Keenan Allen, and Deandre Hopkins.

I dunno....when I saw him Hunter play, Tyler Bray wasn't doing him any favors.....that is hot and cold

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I dunno....when I saw him Hunter play, Tyler Bray wasn't doing him any favors.....that is hot and cold

Tyler Bray isn't great by any means, but neither is Justin Hunter's hands. He just seems like a big project to me...yea he has size and speed, but so did stephen hill last year (kinda reminds me of him). His weaknesses from what I have seen are his hands, route running and strength. I just think there will be way better options in the draft.

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I have zero idea who or what position the colts will draft and anybody who thinks they do is just fooling themselves.

For sure, but I would be very surprised at OL, RB, TE, and of course QB. If Cooper and Warmack are gone I would be stunned if it was an offensive position other than WR.
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I'm not a huge fan of Justin hunter hes too inconsistent. I might be in the minority on this, but I actually like his old teammate Da'Rick Rogers better than him, as well as Keenan Allen, and Deandre Hopkins.

 

I want Da'Rick so bad. But he probably won't fall to us and even if he did I'm sure Grigson would pass on him if not for his play he'd base his choice off Rogers character.  :(

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Guard, Corner and pass rushing OLB is still a need, Several players we can target at those positions at 24

 

Alex Okafor(85.2 draft grade)

Xavier Rhodes(86.2 draft grade)

Damontre Moore (if going by draft grade alone then there is an outside possibility, 87.9 draft grade)

Larry Warford(88.3 draft grade)

Johnathan Cooper(86..9 draft grade)

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Lets draft a Quarterback, get ready for life after Luck

But that would be a No Hassle(beck) resolution........:)  

 

To topic...I smell more defense at 24......but will still to my guns:  BPA all the way....that is how Grigs has set this up to go!!   :colts:  :colts:

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I dunno....when I saw him Hunter play, Tyler Bray wasn't doing him any favors.....that is hot and cold

Tyler Bray isn't great by any means, but neither is Justin Hunter's hands. He just seems like a big project to me...yea he has size and speed, but so did stephen hill last year (kinda reminds me of him). His weaknesses from what I have seen are his hands, route running and strength. I just think there will be way better options in the draft.

Tyler Bray isn't great, but is the best QB in this class. Give him 3 or so years behind a vet (ie Rodgers, Brady) and hell be a fringe elite NFL QB. Calling it now.

As for our pick, I hope we do draft Justin Hunter. Coaching does wonders, and when you have Wayne, along with someone who wants to improve, you'll have some learning.

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I have never been prouder to say I was wrong. 4-12? Nah, Luck's got this.

Me too...I said 6-10.  I had as much fun analyzing this past team as any before....heck we needed a program at the beginning of the year...AND at the end with Guy, Heard...Geathers :)

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Have we forgotten that Irsay is trying land a "Wopper"?  

 

As far as drafting an OLB, are any of them gonna be better rushinig the passer than Mathis?  I don't think so.  It also seems like Walden is a starter because they like his one great feature of setting the edge.  That being the case, whomever we draft at OLB will likely be depth will it not?  If that's the case, I wouldn't want to draft an OLB at pick 24.       

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But that would be a No Hassle(beck) resolution........ :)

 

To topic...I smell more defense at 24......but will still to my guns:  BPA all the way....that is how Grigs has set this up to go!!   :colts:  :colts:

 

That was a joke of course. But I could see us going guard, or even wide out if the mystery guy isn't traded/signed by draft day.  We are also in the position to trade out of the pick if we wanted to. 

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That was a joke of course. But I could see us going guard, or even wide out if the mystery guy isn't traded/signed by draft day.  We are also in the position to trade out of the pick if we wanted to. 

I totally agree....Grigson has set the team up for a win win situation.....I really feel that way!!

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I don't see OT as a 1st round need right now.

 

But OG is still one.   And we could still trade down and get either Warford or Pugh at the top of the 2nd R....

 

The other thing I still think is in play on the defensive side with a high pick is either a pass rusher of some type, or (sorry, Brian)  a cornerback.     You can never have enough of either in my opinion....   

 

So those would be other options for a high 2nd round pick...

 

If it were up to me, our first 3 picks would be OLB/DE pass rusher, DE/DT pass rusher and an OG...in whatever order makes most sense based on who's available at the time.  And I'd love to get Dan Buckner, WR from Arizona (6'4" 212 lbs) in a later round, maybe with he Mr. Irrelevant pick since he's currently ranked as a projected UDFA.  He was solid at Arizona though imo and could be a very good possession receiver.

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If it were up to me, our first 3 picks would be OLB/DE pass rusher, DE/DT pass rusher and an OG...in whatever order makes most sense based on who's available at the time.  

 

I do agree for the most part. I think the first round pick will be a player that directly helps with us passing the ball or stopping the pass.

 

WR, OLB/DE pass rusher, CB/S in secondary

 

Those are my choices, in no order of priority.

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Have we forgotten that Irsay is trying land a "Wopper"?  

 

As far as drafting an OLB, are any of them gonna be better rushinig the passer than Mathis?  I don't think so.  It also seems like Walden is a starter because they like his one great feature of setting the edge.  That being the case, whomever we draft at OLB will likely be depth will it not?  If that's the case, I wouldn't want to draft an OLB at pick 24.       

2 for 2 dollars this week......just sayin.....

 

My bad...the  :censored2: coupon expired....just Irsay's luck  :lol:

 

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If it were up to me, our first 3 picks would be OLB/DE pass rusher, DE/DT pass rusher and an OG...in whatever order makes most sense based on who's available at the time.  And I'd love to get Dan Buckner, WR from Arizona (6'4" 212 lbs) in a later round, maybe with he Mr. Irrelevant pick since he's currently ranked as a projected UDFA.  He was solid at Arizona though imo and could be a very good possession receiver.

I can see why you might have reservations about the players we will likely start at OLB and DT/DE, but there is decent depth at both positions... We have Hughes, Sidbury, Moala, Nevis, Chapman and others waiting in the wings... I really do not think that Grigson will be using #24 to get a guy in the defensive front seven unless the player is easily the BPA..

 

I completely agree about OG, but I'm not sure the best guard available will be BPA in the first... I think we can go WR, OG, CB, RB in any order (but preferably in that order) to get the most bang for our buck...

 

I know that RB has been summarily dismissed by most because we have had too many bigger needs and the position is overrated in the draft, usually.... However, a serviceable third back is a real need... if we had a Le'veon Bell type back on the roster last season, he would have seen some snaps due to injury. This season will be no different and I'm not so sure that Carter can cut it... we know Moore can't...

 

I'm not howling for a RB, but I think it would be a wiser mid to late round choice than OLB or 3-4 DE... depending on the players available, of course.

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I can see why you might have reservations about the players we will likely start at OLB and DT/DE, but there is decent depth at both positions... We have Hughes, Sidbury, Moala, Nevis, Chapman and others waiting in the wings... I really do not think that Grigson will be using #24 to get a guy in the defensive front seven unless the player is easily the BPA..

 

I completely agree about OG, but I'm not sure the best guard available will be BPA in the first... I think we can go WR, OG, CB, RB in any order (but preferably in that order) to get the most bang for our buck...

 

I know that RB has been summarily dismissed by most because we have had too many bigger needs and the position is overrated in the draft, usually.... However, a serviceable third back is a real need... if we had a Le'veon Bell type back on the roster last season, he would have seen some snaps due to injury. This season will be no different and I'm not so sure that Carter can cut it... we know Moore can't...

 

I'm not howling for a RB, but I think it would be a wiser mid to late round choice than OLB or 3-4 DE... depending on the players available, of course.

 

Don't get me wrong, I do know and like the depth we have at the DE/DT spot.  However, the only guy that has proven he can get a solid pass rush from the 5-tech role is Redding and he's on the wrong side of 30.  Moala is solid at 5-tech but he's much better against the run.  I also realize that getting a pass rush is not the primary responsibility of the 3 man front in our defense, but if we have a guy that can play solidly at 5-tech AND still get some pass rush (like Redding does) then that would help our defense out tremendously, and really the first round is your best bet at getting that kind of dynamic player, and picking at #24 there's no guarantee that kind of player would still be there. That's why I think DE/DT could be a position we look at in the first round if the right player drops to us.  Also to add one other point, Moala and Nevis have had injury issues pretty much their entire career and Redding was in and out of the lineup last year due to injury.  

 

As for OLB, I again agree that we have solid depth, but the only proven pass rush specialist we have is Mathis.  Hughes showed well last year and there's hope for Sidbury.  Killeen looked great on video but no telling how he'll transfer his abilities to the NFL.  I know that in a lot of situations we'll be seeing different types of blitzes so pressure will be coming from many different directions, but there will also be times where they'll be lined up in a standard 4 man front with pass rushers at both DE spots and we no longer have Freeney on the other side of Mathis.  Maybe Hughes will step into that role and excel but if he struggles then we could be in trouble.  Perhaps Sidbury fits in there, but again, what if he struggles?  It would be nice to be able to line up with standard 4 man front and still be able to pressure the QB in those known passing situations.  So if a guy like Damontre Moore or Barkevious Mingo fall to #24 then I'd be all for bringing them in.

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