[Schefter] Colts trade Wentz to Washington for 2 3d round picks

[#12.]

10 minutes ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

If he beats the colts it won’t be funny.

 

Oh, we're cheering for Wentz to be successful.  Ideal scenario - we get up big and give Wentz the Josh Johnson treatment.  We make him look like a star, so he keeps the starting job for another month.  

[danlhart87]

1 minute ago, DougDew said:

That's what I was thinking with the move up of 5 slots. 

 

Within striking range of the lower 1st.  The WASH third, which is a high third, and the WASH 2nd could get us into the bottom of the first.

 

Carson Strong would probably be there. or others.  Get the 5th year option. 

 

Sign Mariota.

They apparently love Pickett according to PFF

I want Strong badly

[jvan1973]

3 minutes ago, luv_pony_express said:

Because we’re going to expend yet more resources to replace him with somebody who probably won’t be any better (and may well be worse)….and those resources are needed to address other deficiencies.

 

It would’ve made more sense to use this off-season to address those needs, give him one more year, and if his play doesn’t improve then use the high 1R draft pick we’ll have next year (with a better QB class, by most projections) to take a swing at a rookie.

 

 

They may just sign a vet FA.  Maybe wait and see what the plan is

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1 minute ago, IinD said:

Thing that's scary is nobody really cares for the QB class this year.

 

I hope they don't draft one just to draft one.

I like a couple. But they will probably go way to high. Colts reportedly like a couple too.

[ChuggaBeer]

Ballard has said he is looking at near future and long time future for the QB.   He usually tells you what he is thinking.   So I am thinking a stop gap and putting resources into next yrs draft.

 

I know it will * a bunch of people off but I think he needs to trade for future picks.    Build them up and use them to trade up for a QB next yr.  Yea Darius will have to twit another message that says 6 yrs but Oh Well 

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Just now, sb41champs said:

https://www.nfl.com/news/carson-wentz-trade-commanders-acquire-colts-qb

 

 

We got a lot more in this deal than I was afraid we would get.  Time for the Colts to put together an aggressive package to acquire QB Derek Carr and work on a long-term contract for him.

 

Keeping my fingers crossed !!

Makes you wonder since they created all this cap space now that might be in the works.

 

 

[luv_pony_express]

10 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

I wouldn’t completely rule that out.  He knows Franks system and the Colts were high on him.  I don’t think it will happen but if they are looking at stop gap or a guy to start until a rookie is ready they could very well bring Jacoby back.

They were so high on Brissett that they let him walk to Miami for $7.5M.

 

They only said they were high on him when they were hoping to sucker somebody into trading him for a 1st.

[tvturner]

Jimmy Garoppolo is a much better quarterback than Carson Wentz

 

Just a reminder.

[DougDew]

Ballard basically unwound the deal he did last year.  We moved down a few draft slots and pushed them to the next year, but nothing about the Wentz experiment turned out to be a real bad thing.

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[#12.]

2 minutes ago, BProland85 said:

Hoping the Colts can get an early 2023 2nd from Washington to make up for the loss of the 1st this year. 

 

If Washington is that bad, Wentz won't play 70% of the snaps.  We want a scenario like the Colts pulled off this season - mediocrity, 70% of the snaps and a collapse at the end.  

[Barry Sears]

I think Wentz's red hair is going to clash with those new Washington uniforms...he needs to go blonde

[coltsblue1844]

4 minutes ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

We do have some picks to offer now if we want to move into the first for a rookie. As long as we don’t turn around and waste them on Jimmy.

my opinion, but at least Jimmy is a starter in this league...  From what most "experts" are saying about this year's draft class, there may not be any long term starters... now if this were next year's draft, i'd be all for it.... but i think Jimmy is better than any QB in the draft, this year

[teganslaw]

Not bad. The Colts got third round picks this year and next year with a swap of 2nd rounders. Now we'll have to see who the starting QB is. 

[Fisticuffs111]

Just now, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

 

Yup. There seems to be a bidding war for Jimmy G. Watch him go for a similar package that we traded for Wentz last year.

[DougDew]

4 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

They apparently love Pickett according to PFF

I want Strong badly

Smoke screen.

[Mr.Debonair]

28 minutes ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

Can someone explain to me why Colts are tweeting this?

 

 

What is your problem with it?

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14 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

Ballard: Hey Philip we want you to return

Rivers: My wife is pregnant 

Ballard: 

Ballard: Hasn't stopped you from playing before... In fact... 1 kid per year... You say "my wife is pregnant", I hear "I need 1 more year in the league"  

[Architects08]

Strictly speaking from a skill perspective the only QB worth trading for that would make us SB contenders is Watson. For more than one reason thats not happening. 

 

Thats why i dont think the Volts should trade for a QB. Pick up a guy like Mariota. Go spend some of that cap space and fill some holes. A proven pass rusher and a solid corner could take this defense to the next level. Im nit a cap guru but you could potentially go after help at WR or TE too. 2023 is when you swing for the fence at a franchsie qb. That rookie will walk in to a team that is ready to win. 

[FuedinHatfield]

1 hour ago, PrincetonTiger said:

Nice return 

Ballard would have been a great snake oil salesman. 

[danlhart87]

5 minutes ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

 

[krunk]

Lets see if the Carr thing happens. Id be okay with Garropolo, Mariota or Winston but Ballard did say no more band aids. Outside of Carr everything else is a band aid or carries a decent amount of risk so lets see if they get him and sign him to that long term deal.

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Just now, krunk said:

Lets see if the Carr thing happens. Id be okay with Garropolo, Mariota or Winston but Ballard did say no more band aids. Outside of Carr everything else is a band aid or carries a decent amount of risk so lets see if they get him and sign him to that long term deal.

Rumor is Washington tried for Carr but the Raiders were not budging so they moved to Wentz...

[danlhart87]

No more band aids to me means draft

They put themselves in position to move up

 

They like someone I bet 

[MacDee1975]

1 hour ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

They have no plan. This is all about Irsay. I doubt we find a QB with a 4 to 1 TD to interception rate. We will be 3rd or last in the AFC South.

 

Yeah.  Chris Ballard really seems like the type to make moves with no plan whatsoever.....a real cowboy, that guy.

[lennymoore24]

This could be really good or really bad.  The Colts picked up two draft choices and move up in the second and have the highest cap space in NFL.  If the Colts get Bridgewater, Trubisky, or Winston type guys, we are toast.  I would prefer trading for Minshew cheap or Nick Foles for a year.  And then sign some WRs, TE, and pass rusher.  Maybe draft a guy like Carson Strong in 2nd.

 

[MacDee1975]

1 hour ago, Architects08 said:

Go all in for LT and defense. 

 

LT and defense?!

 

F that.  Our receiver and TE corps are complete garbage.  That's what you go all in on.

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Can we give big props to Mort, BTW? He was right and was right soooooooo early... good for him. 

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I really think it’s going to be Mariota. Rashad and Destin  have nailed everything so far. We all know there is tampering during the combine so they might already talked to his agent.

[Old Colt]

1 hour ago, Old Colt said:

They also are taking his full salary, and  this is the best part.  That said, this is pretty poor  and a major CB blunder.  this next year is a punt ...

We give up a first round and 2nd round choice and get 2 - 3rd round choices a back and another year missing the playoffs... plus more salary cap space for CB to sit on....  great deal

[cdgacoltsfan]

Just now, MacDee1975 said:

 

Yeah.  Chris Ballard really seems like the type to make moves with no plan whatsoever.....a real cowboy, that guy.

So you were pleased with Tolzein, Brissett , Phillips and Wentz? Giddee up cowboy!

[tweezy32]

47 minutes ago, bsteves said:

Our front office is full of clowns. All these Wentz haters are going to be hitting themselves next year. 

Yup I agree, if it’s not manning or luck colts fan don’t want them.. think any other qb will do any better with the weapons we have? No I don’t blame wentz for not having a better yea because our offense was trash trash pass blocking no LT no Wr help besides a #2 wr. 

[DougDew]

4 minutes ago, stitches said:

Rumor is Washington tried for Carr but the Raiders were not budging so they moved to Wentz...

Why would Josh trade Carr, only to then leave himself with a QB problem to solve?  Makes no sense to trade Carr.

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3 minutes ago, danlhart87 said:

No more band aids to me means draft

They put themselves in position to move up

 

They like someone I bet 

They put themselves in really nice position. They could move up further with the picks they have. Even use a player or two  to move up.

[Jackie Daytona]

27 minutes ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

I think it would be a let down if they got rid of all of Wentz salaries and got a extra draft pick just to waste it on Jimmy. Your not really gaining anything. 
 

 

You might be right.  Please though, explain to me all of the reasons Jimmy is t the way to go.  Assuming he comes back healthy from surgery.  As I said, you are probably right, I just would love to hear you explain why, I have honestly never really watched him and don't know much about his game, definitely not enough to form an opinion....so I'm all ears when someone has a better informed opinion.

[Old Colt]

Not bad considering we only gave up a 1st and 2nd round pick, another year out of the playoffs, and get some cap space to sit on for 2-3rd rounders in return.... 

[stitches]

Just now, DougDew said:

Why would Josh trade Carr, only to then leave himself with a QB problem to solve?  Makes no sense to trade Carr.

Yeah, also... another rumor is - Patriots were trying to trade for Carr hard after losing Brady, so it might indeed be true that McDaniels is very high on Carr. 

[MacDee1975]

1 minute ago, cdgacoltsfan said:

So you were pleased with Tolzein, Brissett , Phillips and Wentz? Giddee up cowboy!

 

Who cares what i'm "pleased" with?  

 

You said "they have no plan".

 

You are wrong.....they do have a plan.  You just don't know what it is.

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2 minutes ago, DougDew said:

Why would Josh trade Carr, only to then leave himself with a QB problem to solve?  Makes no sense to trade Carr.

Maybe doesn’t want to pay car all that money and wants to draft one of his own next two seasons.

[Mitch Connors]

1 hour ago, Fluke_33 said:

a 1st and a 3rd with getting 2 3rds back is not a bad price to test out a potential starting qb.   I'm not going to knock ballard down for this one.

I was feeling differently until I read your post and I like your perspective better than mine. I agree with you, great post!