Chuck Pagano complaints (merge)

[21isSuperman]

3 hours ago, tfunky14 said:

Really, that's the best you got.

2012 season 11 wins

2013 season 11 wins

2014 season 11 wins

2015 season  8 wins with out your QB for 9 games

 

 

Try again......

The team constantly looks unprepared.  They take stupid, undisciplined penalties.  The playcalling has been very questionable on the defensive side of the ball (how many times do we have to see Antonio Morrison or Robert Mathis drop into coverage?).

[Superman]

On 10/24/2016 at 6:48 AM, krunk said:

I'm going to assume in his mind we had the lead and we're a 2-4 ball club so he probably didn't want to give them leeway for any additional stuff like what happened in the Chargers game maybe.  Plus we were getting the ball back at half time.  You can criticize him, but hey we won so hopefully we'll make the necessary corrections for the Chiefs contest.

 

I'm fine with the conservative end to the second quarter. Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valor, and since the OL has started to give up some pressure and a sack in the second quarter, they probably wanted to just get to the locker room with their two score lead and get the ball first in the second half. The odds of scoring with 35 seconds are low, and there's a lot of room for a disaster to happen. I'm fine with that decision.

 

What I dislike is the 4th and 2 on the previous possession. Your'e at the 50, you just got 19 on third down, and if you extend that drive you're probably going to score late in the second quarter. To me, with a good QB having a good day, a receiver they can't cover, and a run game that's not spectacular but seems to be good for at least a couple yards each attempt, I'd have lined up and tried to convert that 4th down. Then you're up 14-18 points, and we're not even talking about the 35 second situation.

 

Instead, they punted for a touchback (it was close, though), so you got a net of 30 yards, and the Titans went all the way for a TD anyways, so your conservative decision didn't pay off at all. Those are the situations where I think the potential reward outweighs the risk, and I think NFL coaching in general is too conservative in that situation. I'd almost always be ready to at least line up and see what happens on 4th and 2 from that spot on the field. Luck might have gotten a neutral zone infraction, matter of fact. 

[krunk]

7 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

I'm fine with the conservative end to the second quarter. Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valor, and since the OL has started to give up some pressure and a sack in the second quarter, they probably wanted to just get to the locker room with their two score lead and get the ball first in the second half. The odds of scoring with 35 seconds are low, and there's a lot of room for a disaster to happen. I'm fine with that decision.

 

What I dislike is the 4th and 2 on the previous possession. Your'e at the 50, you just got 19 on third down, and if you extend that drive you're probably going to score late in the second quarter. To me, with a good QB having a good day, a receiver they can't cover, and a run game that's not spectacular but seems to be good for at least a couple yards each attempt, I'd have lined up and tried to convert that 4th down. Then you're up 14-18 points, and we're not even talking about the 35 second situation.

 

Instead, they punted for a touchback (it was close, though), so you got a net of 30 yards, and the Titans went all the way for a TD anyways, so your conservative decision didn't pay off at all. Those are the situations where I think the potential reward outweighs the risk, and I think NFL coaching in general is too conservative in that situation. I'd almost always be ready to at least line up and see what happens on 4th and 2 from that spot on the field. Luck might have gotten a neutral zone infraction, matter of fact. 

Maybe he was thinking about not putting our shaky defense in a bad position.  Not sure, but knowing Pagano I bet that was on his mind!

[krunk]

8 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

I'm fine with the conservative end to the second quarter. Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valor, and since the OL has started to give up some pressure and a sack in the second quarter, they probably wanted to just get to the locker room with their two score lead and get the ball first in the second half. The odds of scoring with 35 seconds are low, and there's a lot of room for a disaster to happen. I'm fine with that decision.

 

What I dislike is the 4th and 2 on the previous possession. Your'e at the 50, you just got 19 on third down, and if you extend that drive you're probably going to score late in the second quarter. To me, with a good QB having a good day, a receiver they can't cover, and a run game that's not spectacular but seems to be good for at least a couple yards each attempt, I'd have lined up and tried to convert that 4th down. Then you're up 14-18 points, and we're not even talking about the 35 second situation.

 

Instead, they punted for a touchback (it was close, though), so you got a net of 30 yards, and the Titans went all the way for a TD anyways, so your conservative decision didn't pay off at all. Those are the situations where I think the potential reward outweighs the risk, and I think NFL coaching in general is too conservative in that situation. I'd almost always be ready to at least line up and see what happens on 4th and 2 from that spot on the field. Luck might have gotten a neutral zone infraction, matter of fact. 

I think if we had a more reliable D he probably would have gone for it there.

[Superman]

6 minutes ago, krunk said:

Maybe he was thinking about not putting our shaky defense in a bad position.  Not sure, but knowing Pagano I bet that was on his mind!

 

Probably, but the shaky defense gave up an 80 yard TD drive in about 3 minutes anyways. There's no way to know that in advance, but the way it turned out supports the reasoning for going for it. Maybe they give up a 50 yard TD drive in 2 minutes, and then you get the ball back with 1:35 left, and two timeouts, and you can put together a reasonable drive for points rather than kneeling it out. 

 

To me, the quality of the defense doesn't factor in right there, unless you have a GREAT defense and are counting on a stop. Even then, you can count on a stop from midfield.

 

It's about game theory. Fourth and two favors the offense, in general, and especially when you have a good/great QB. And the leverage in that situation -- the likelihood of getting a pinned punt vs the likelihood of converting on 4th down -- favors going for it, even with a great punter. Unless a punt basically ends the game, I think that's a go for it field position, down and distance. 

 

Probably doesn't help that we ran such a terrible play on 4th down last week, though. 

[21isSuperman]

We're among the most penalized teams in the league and our defense is among the worst in the league.

 

Fire Chuck Pagano

[ColtsManDan91]

All the colts are is a bunch of *s who can't tackle or play football I'm a huge fan but seriously we are horrible I'm starting to hate grigson 

[21isSuperman]

2 minutes ago, ColtsManDan91 said:

All the colts are is a bunch of *s who can't tackle or play football I'm a huge fan but seriously we are horrible I'm starting to hate grigson 

Wrong thread

[ColtsManDan91]

2 minutes ago, 21isSuperman said:

Wrong thread

Sorry Dad 

[21isSuperman]

1 minute ago, ColtsManDan91 said:

Sorry Dad 

It's really not that difficult if you just read before you click....

[21isSuperman]

Just now, ColtsManDan91 said:

I know Dad I said sorry dad just relax Phil ,, kinda mad cause my colts suck so I'll comment on any thread I want ,,alright???

Um...no, that's not how it works.  You comment relevant things into the relevant threads.  I have no problem with you bashing Grigson, but do it in the Grigson thread.

[ColtsManDan91]

Terrible coach fire him!!

[19colt]

Out

of

his 

depth

[jameszeigler834]

On ‎10‎/‎3‎/‎2016 at 8:37 PM, LJpalmbeacher said:

I'm not going to pretend to be a X 's & O's expert but if someone can tell me the difference between pep's playbook and chud's I'd appreciate it.

What is exactly a Chud offense?

Chuds offense is worst to a point Hilton disappeared again that is why I continue to say even though nobody here will agree that he isn't a number 1 reciever.

[sfergson727]

Good Lord, can we fire this bunch yet?  This is getting intolerable.

[Levi Carvalho]

Clueless

[adamthyst]

Please, fire this coaching staff.

[21isSuperman]

Fire Philbin while we're at it.  The OL continues to be terrible despite OL being his specialty

[Bowlingguy300]

well maybe it is not the OC  we all thought it was Pep being a issue.  but it starts at the top this is not a good coached team. 

not sure what they do at practice,  but I remember when Wayne tried out for the Patriots and came back and said their practices are not fun...   that says it all about Pagano. 

[azcolt]

.. when he's unemployed.

[RockThatBlue]

5 years and the team still makes the same mistakes. Changes are overdue.

[Flash]

I am usually not the type of person to call for a coaching change mid-season, but at this point, what do we have to lost by firing Pagano? We are not a playoff contending team. Let's see if another head coach can actually make adjustments. The way I see it, Pagano is gone after this season, regardless. Let's see if we have 'the next guy' on our staff...aka Chud or someone else.

[HarryTheCat]

Halfway through the season, and this team looks worse than the one that took the field in Game 1. Penalties, drops, sacks, blown coverages, and no one can figure out how to tackle. Pagano, Grigson and the entire coaching staff need to go -- today.

[chrisfarley]

5 minutes ago, Bowlingguy300 said:

well maybe it is not the OC  we all thought it was Pep being a issue.  but it starts at the top this is not a good coached team. 

not sure what they do at practice,  but I remember when Wayne tried out for the Patriots and came back and said their practices are not fun...   that says it all about Pagano. 

Practices are not supposed to be fun. When you screw up as a member of the Colts, you know you're going to get a pat on your butt.  Oh Bill....... u avail.

[IinD]

He didn't screw anything up at least. Could be because we never had control of the game.

 

He's solid if you're losing throughout.

[19colt]

The Colts are behind a Mike Mularkey coached team in the division and the only team below them just fired their OC and will soon fire their HC. Oh yeah, they also beat the Colts. Also, the division leader has probably the worst QB in football. Sorry Pagano, it's time to go!

[21isSuperman]

30 minutes ago, Indy_Mike said:

Supposedly, one of Pagano's great virtues is, he is a man of integrity. Well, there is no doubt he had to have made a lot of promises to Mr. Irsay to get another chance at coaching this team. Promises that he hasn't, and won't, come close to fulfilling. A true man of integrity would go to Mr. Irsay and hand him his resignation at the end of this season...if not sooner. Mr. Irsay trusted him, obviously got talked into a very silly decision, Pagano is making him look like a complete fool....so do the right thing Coach and let Jimmy of the hook!

Irsay is part of the problem

[OHColtfan]

He has the least talented team since he has been here, the talent has been declining for several years. But he just doesn't seem to bring anything to the table that allows us to excel when things don't fall perfectly into place for us. Luck has bailed us out on a good number of those wins.

[IinD]

He should do his own Peyton Master Card meat commercial..

 

'Chop that wood'

[21isSuperman]

3 minutes ago, Indy_Mike said:

But he is here to stay....

It's a culture problem and it starts at the very top with Irsay.  In Indy, as long as you do things just alright, you're fine.  If you win a really ugly game with a lot of sloppy mistakes, it's still celebrated.  If you're absolutely terrible at your job, you're given an extension and brought back to continue displaying your ineptitude.  Irsay is part of the problem.  Until he steps down and/or major changes are made, I think we'll just be wasting Luck's career

[James]

More of the same nonsense from Pagano.

 

YOU are a big part of the reason for those same things, you clueless buffoon. You've said you'd fix it for years now. Maybe it's time to realize that you are not a coach that's capable of fixing anything. Resign at once, Pagano.

 

[21isSuperman]

 

Agreed.  You're still employed by the Colts.  That's a common problem that keeps coming up over and over.

 

 

 

[Colts_Fan12]

1 hour ago, 21isSuperman said:

We're among the most penalized teams in the league and our defense is among the worst in the league.

 

Fire Chuck Pagano

Yes please do this is ridiculous!! 

[IinD]

Remember when we had a streak of never losing back to back games with this regime?

 

That's a pipe dream nowadays.

[21isSuperman]

 

 

[21isSuperman]

3 minutes ago, IinD said:

Remember when we had a streak of never losing back to back games with this regime?

 

That's a pipe dream nowadays.

Now we're at the point where we haven't won back to back games this season

[threeflight]

If I was Irsay, I would ask myself one simple question.  

 

Have I, in 5 years, seen anything that would lead me to believe that CP can lead this team to not only one, but multiple SBs?  I think the answer is a most definite NO.  

 

Therefore, why am I wasting my time, and Luck's years and mental and physical state, on a coach that cannot win?

 

IMO this team has one shot and one shot only.  HOPE and pray that Harbaugh wants to come back to the NFL.  Because if he does, he will want to be the Colts coach and he will lead this team to multiple SBs imo.

 

Pagano is just not a good coach pure and simple.

[BOTT]

42 minutes ago, threeflight said:

If I was Irsay, I would ask myself one simple question.  

 

Have I, in 5 years, seen anything that would lead me to believe that CP can lead this team to not only one, but multiple SBs?  I think the answer is a most definite NO.  

 

Therefore, why am I wasting my time, and Luck's years and mental and physical state, on a coach that cannot win?

 

IMO this team has one shot and one shot only.  HOPE and pray that Harbaugh wants to come back to the NFL.  Because if he does, he will want to be the Colts coach and he will lead this team to multiple SBs imo.

 

Pagano is just not a good coach pure and simple.

 

I love Harbaugh, but there are other options.

 

plus, there is no way in hell he is leaving Michigan this early.

[dw49]

This" looking at film" thing is really getting old....just saying.

 

Also , is it possible to coach some stupidness out of this team ? Can't simply do things like down a punt without spastically batting it into the end zone . Constantly wiping out big plays with offensive holding , defensive penalties on 3rd down stops. Maybe just a dumb team ? What I do know is just saying "we gotta stop shooting ourselves in the foot " doesn't seem to stop it. 

[NorthernBlue]

They're not dumb. Probably just bad. And when you're a bad player, the only way to stop the guy across from you is to hold, grab, interfere with etc.