Tevaun Smith vs Chester Rogers

[twfish]

Which one would you like to make the roster saying we keep atleast 5 WR. It's possible we keep 6 but I think it's unlikely we only keep 4. Personally I like Tevaun Smith. I think he gives us a little bit more size and he can play outside better than chester can. I think Chester could be an excellent slot WR for us and a good punt returner however Bray can fill that same role and is proven in returns. I don't think Bray can play outside as well as smith and that's a big part of why i thinks he has an edge.

[Smonroe]

I've been saying this for a while now - I won't be surprised a bit if Bray is cut. 

 

Right now Todman is most likely odd man out at RB, Gore, Ridley and Turbin.  So what if they keep Todman as the 4th and he does returns.  Then they could keep both Rogers and Smith.  

 

 

[krunk]

25 minutes ago, Smonroe said:

I've been saying this for a while now - I won't be surprised a bit if Bray is cut. 

 

Right now Todman is most likely odd man out at RB, Gore, Ridley and Turbin.  So what if they keep Todman as the 4th and he does returns.  Then they could keep both Rogers and Smith.  

 

 

Chud typically works with at least 3 running backs.  In San Diego they had Tomlinson, Sproles, and Michael Turner.  They also had Lorenzo Neal at fullback. The injuries tell me NO to 4 RB on the roster, but Chud has used 4 before.  I don't think we're cutting Turbin over Ridley as Ridley doesn't even know the playbook and Turbin looked pretty good against the Eagles. 

 

Plus Turbin has versatility to be used in the passing game and as a fullback.  Great short yardage runner in the power game.   I think if anybody goes it will be Ferguson if we keep only 3. Gore, Turbin, Ridley.  If we keep 4 I see Gore, Turbin, Todman, Ridley.  Ferguson maybe to the PS.   If Ferguson does well in this last preseason game then I can maybe see us keeping Ferguson over Todman.

[Carlos Danger]

If I had to choose between the two, I'm taking Smith. He just gives us something that we don't have enough of w/ regard to players that can effectively use size as a RZ mismatch. 

 

I like Rogers, too, I just think his skill set is slightly redundant on our wr core. 

[twfish]

24 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said:

If I had to choose between the two, I'm taking Smith. He just gives us something that we don't have enough of w/ regard to players that can effectively use size as a RZ mismatch. 

 

I like Rogers, too, I just think his skill set is slightly redundant on our wr core. 

That's my exact same belief, there both good from what we've seen so far though

[chad72]

With our injuries at CB, it is likely a 6th CB makes it over an RB or WR, IMO.

[WoolMagnet]

4 hours ago, Smonroe said:

I've been saying this for a while now - I won't be surprised a bit if Bray is cut. 

 

Right now Todman is most likely odd man out at RB, Gore, Ridley and Turbin.  So what if they keep Todman as the 4th and he does returns.  Then they could keep both Rogers and Smith.  

 

 

Interesting.

i kind of like the options and depth that gives us at BOTH rb and wr.

is Bray elible for ps?  And does anyone here think Bray is noticeably better or higher upside than Rogers or Smith?

i've liked the burst from Rogers, the twitchyness.  He kinda reminds me of Tereance Wilkens for some reason.  To me (small sample), Smith has looked smoother and more polished while Rogers looks like he can take it to house at any minute. Perhaps its was just the impact of that 1 big play he had.

does anyone think we would look back and regret cutting Bray?  With new kickoffs, punt returners may be better on kick returns actually. 

[Bluefire4]

I want to see the last preseason game before I make a decision. It is neck and neck to me and I can't remember a year where so much was riding on the last preseason game.

[krunk]

I'm hoping we keep both of them on the Regular Roster.   The competition right now is neck and neck like Blue Fire said.   Rogers and Smith both have identical numbers. I give a little bit of an edge to Rogers because he's had some nice punt returns.     Mckay is probably going to end up on the PS, but I want to see how he performs in this game also.  I think Mckay has potential to be a pretty good player with a little work.  His hands seem a lot better than what I saw from him in College and I love the fact that he's huge at 6'5".  He looks good out there.  You can say a lot of stuff about Grigson, but I think he has no problem evaluating young receivers.  He brings in good prospects from the Draft Picks all the way down to the UDFA.

[TDewar1987]

Chester Rogers for sure. If we don't pick him up, I guarantee someone else will and he wont make it to the practice squad.

[lollygagger8]

Rogers 

[krunk]

I'm still trying to figure out why Mckay stepped out of bounds on that long bomb he caught?  Looked like he still had room to keep running forward and get the touchdown.  I've had that on my mind since the game ended.

[SDakColts]

I hope we keep both as I think both can develop into great depth receivers. However, if I had to choose one it would probably be Rogers, and hopefully land Smith on the PS.

[colts52761]

Maybe we keep both and they trade Bray?

[Coltsfan1953]

I only saw one game this preseason and I was really impressed by Rogers ability to catch and hang on to the ball. Plus he has return ability.

[Douzer]

Game 4 tonight will answer some questions, but today, before the game, I'd keep Bray. He takes care of the ball, works the return lanes correctly and gains yardage. I'm not a fan of throwing just anybody back there to handle the ball. It's a big responsibility and effects the starting position of the offense. Rogers did not stay in the return lanes and ran in a frantic manner through his first bundle of attempts. Perhaps he has shown more discipline in practice? If so, it hasn't translated in he first 3 pre-season games. He does seem to be a fast twitch mover and shaker, and I see why he's here. Smith seems to be more polished (or less raw) at this moment in time, he gets open, works the ball forward, and that makes me lean toward penciling him in over Rogers today.

[krunk]

just looking over the stats from tonight's game it seems like Rogers, Smith, and Mckay are balling. Numbers way better than Bray

[TYtheMan13]

Rogers and Smith both need to make this team..if the coaching staff doesn't see this then idk what's wrong with them..both showed more promise and potential than Bray THIS preseason

[twfish]

1 minute ago, krunk said:

just looking over the stats from tonight's game it seems like Rogers, Smith, and Mckay are balling. Numbers way better than Bray

I was really excited to see Mckay get going and pick up some of his swagger. Good p.s player and maybe he can make a diffrence next year. I honestly don't know who I'd cut between Rogers and smith still. I'm thinking either keep both and have 6 wr or cut Bray and have 5 but they have both looked impressive

[twfish]

Just now, TYtheMan13 said:

Rogers and Smith both need to make this team..if the coaching staff doesn't see this then idk what's wrong with them..both showed more promise and potential than Bray THIS preseason

The only thing with Bray is how much does this coaching staff want a return man?

[BOTT]

9 hours ago, colts52761 said:

Maybe we keep both and they trade Bray?

You might get a case of beer in return.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[krunk]

Just now, twfish said:

I was really excited to see Mckay get going and pick up some of his swagger. Good p.s player and maybe he can make a diffrence next year. I honestly don't know who I'd cut between Rogers and smith still. I'm thinking either keep both and have 6 wr or cut Bray and have 5 but they have both looked impressive

Heck if we cut quan bray we could probably go with 6 receivers and keep Smith, Rogers, and Mckay on the 53. Probably wont happen like that but its on my mind. McKay would be a huge target for Luck. Wed have our own Funchess

[GoColts8818]

Rogers main roster, Smith PS.

[GoColts8818]

1 minute ago, krunk said:

Heck if we cut quan bray we could probably go with 6 receivers and keep Smith, Rogers, and Mckay on the 53. Probably wont happen like that but its on my mind. McKay would be a huge target for Luck. Wed have our own Funchess

I don't see them cutting Bray, he's their returner and Grigson was extremely high on him at the end of last season.  He might as well be viewed as a specialist though because baring an emergency he's not going to play WR most likely. 

[krunk]

7 minutes ago, twfish said:

I was really excited to see Mckay get going and pick up some of his swagger. Good p.s player and maybe he can make a diffrence next year. I honestly don't know who I'd cut between Rogers and smith still. I'm thinking either keep both and have 6 wr or cut Bray and have 5 but they have both looked impressive

Rogers appears to be able to return punts too. Maybe we could cut Quan and go with Hilton, Dorsett, Moncrief, Smith, McKay, Rogers. Rogers would do the kick and punt returner duties along with wide out.

[krunk]

4 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

I don't see them cutting Bray, he's their returner and Grigson was extremely high on him at the end of last season.  He might as well be viewed as a specialist though because baring an emergency he's not going to play WR most likely. 

Rogers has made more than 1 play on punt return during preseason. They'll probably keep Bray but all three of these young guys are balling tonight.

[1959Colts]

15 minutes ago, krunk said:

Rogers appears to be able to return punts too. Maybe we could cut Quan and go with Hilton, Dorsett, Moncrief, Smith, McKay, Rogers. Rogers would do the kick and punt returner duties along with wide out.

 

Jordan Todman looks good returning kicks too.

[RockThatBlue]

On 8/31/2016 at 6:17 PM, Smonroe said:

I've been saying this for a while now - I won't be surprised a bit if Bray is cut. 

 

Right now Todman is most likely odd man out at RB, Gore, Ridley and Turbin.  So what if they keep Todman as the 4th and he does returns.  Then they could keep both Rogers and Smith.  

 

 

I hope Todman is not the odd man out. He looked much better than Ridley tonight imo. I wasn't impressed with Ridley at all.

[VaAllDay757]

Rogers seem to have been making the big plays a little more he always find a way wide open smith is good but I hear rogers name more though

[akcolt]

9 hours ago, krunk said:

Heck if we cut quan bray we could probably go with 6 receivers and keep Smith, Rogers, and Mckay on the 53. Probably wont happen like that but its on my mind. McKay would be a huge target for Luck. Wed have our own Funchess

I don't think McKay is in the conversation for the 53 man. It was a two man race going into tonight's game. If we were to keep 6 why would you consider McKay over Bray? I haven't seen much from him until tonight besides a couple of drops. That was the knock on him coming out bad hands. It's easy love his size  I think he's on the PS. I am not high on McKay I think Leak would have that PS spot if he'd have stayed healthy. 

 

If 6 is an option that would be easy for me Bray Smith and Rogers. That's how I have them right now. I think Bray's experience on ST's  lands him on the roster. I would prefer to keep 6 but if injuries dictate only 5 WR's. I would keep Smith and hope Chester makes it to the PS. I think there is a chance someone snags whoever we cut. 

 

They have both made plays in the preseason Smith had the big pass interference call before half setting a fg vs Bills. We don't see that on the stat sheet. Smith has the size and athletic ability you can't teach.

 

The kid's 6'2" 205lbs according to our roster. His pro day numbers: 4.33 40 he put up a sub 4 short shuttle 3.97, 6.56 3 cone then 10'2 broad jump and 38 vertical. He put up 225 13 times to boot. Those are freakish numbers better than Moncrief and Hilton in the short shuttle & 3 cone. Those times best Amir Cooper who had the top times combined in my recent memory 3.98 and 6.71. Grab Cooper in fantasy he's finally healthy. 

 

Smith is a rare athlete and has great hands. He catches everything. I've seen him dig them out like a 1st baseman at Iowa. He made big play after big play for the Hawks. I'm sure even the causal fan remembers the 85 yard TD that was nearly enough to win the Big 10 Championship game and keep Iowa undefeated into the playoff. 

 

Honestly I was shocked he wasn't at the combine and went undrafted even coming from the conservative system Frentz's runs. I thought the pro day numbers would wake those sleeping on him. We were lucky to get him as an UDFA. I think we have to find a way to keep him.!Smith has the potential to be a starter and a special player. I know there are a lot of Roger's fans and I am one of them. I hope we keep both but cutting Smith is looking a gift horse in the mouth IMO. I bet there are a few GM's monitoring our WR cuts. 

[WarGhost21]

I love both of them, and they both performed very well in the clutch last night (see final drive), but Quan Bray is arguably a top 3 returner in the league, so this will be a tough decision. If it were up to me, I would keep all three and run with 6 receivers.

[Dudley Smith]

First off, I think cutting Bray is a big gamble here. The Colts, before Bray showed up last year, were mired in a nightmare with returning kicks and punts for years. Hilton initially was drafted to secure those roles but then he turned out to be a gem at WR. The Colts FINALLY found a reliable return man in Bray who knows when to run out of the end zone and also doesn't have trouble hanging onto the ball. I think if you are going to cut him you need to be absolutely sure that you have a guy of equal or better returning ability on the team. I think even if he is WR5 or WR6, Bray needs to stay on the team and become a specialist.

 

That said, I think Rogers clearly distinguished himself this pre-season and deserves a spot on the 53-man roster. His crisp route running and good hands are what you want in a WR4 (and in any receiver for that matter!). Rogers needs to be on this team and I think he provides another reliable target for Luck. If we keep 6 receivers, keep Smith by all means, but I am NOT for cutting Bray. I think he has to stay given our return history.

[krunk]

1 hour ago, akcolt said:

I don't think McKay is in the conversation for the 53 man. It was a two man race going into tonight's game. If we were to keep 6 why would you consider McKay over Bray? I haven't seen much from him until tonight besides a couple of drops. That was the knock on him coming out bad hands. It's easy love his size  I think he's on the PS. I am not high on McKay I think Leak would have that PS spot if he'd have stayed healthy. 

 

If 6 is an option that would be easy for me Bray Smith and Rogers. That's how I have them right now. I think Bray's experience on ST's  lands him on the roster. I would prefer to keep 6 but if injuries dictate only 5 WR's. I would keep Smith and hope Chester makes it to the PS. I think there is a chance someone snags whoever we cut. 

 

They have both made plays in the preseason Smith had the big pass interference call before half setting a fg vs Bills. We don't see that on the stat sheet. Smith has the size and athletic ability you can't teach.

 

The kid's 6'2" 205lbs according to our roster. His pro day numbers: 4.33 40 he put up a sub 4 short shuttle 3.97, 6.56 3 cone then 10'2 broad jump and 38 vertical. He put up 225 13 times to boot. Those are freakish numbers better than Moncrief and Hilton in the short shuttle & 3 cone. Those times best Amir Cooper who had the top times combined in my recent memory 3.98 and 6.71. Grab Cooper in fantasy he's finally healthy. 

 

Smith is a rare athlete and has great hands. He catches everything. I've seen him dig them out like a 1st baseman at Iowa. He made big play after big play for the Hawks. I'm sure even the causal fan remembers the 85 yard TD that was nearly enough to win the Big 10 Championship game and keep Iowa undefeated into the playoff. 

 

Honestly I was shocked he wasn't at the combine and went undrafted even coming from the conservative system Frentz's runs. I thought the pro day numbers would wake those sleeping on him. We were lucky to get him as an UDFA. I think we have to find a way to keep him.!Smith has the potential to be a starter and a special player. I know there are a lot of Roger's fans and I am one of them. I hope we keep both but cutting Smith is looking a gift horse in the mouth IMO. I bet there are a few GM's monitoring our WR cuts. 

 

 

Mckays made more plays than Quan Bray if you really want to get into it.  Especially when it comes to the deep ball.  Rogers is showing good ability to return punts, probably kicks too.  I like Mckays potential with that size and he seems to get open consistently.  It was more of me thinking out loud at what is possible, more than me really wanting to cut Bray.  I'll be okay if we keep Bray, Smith, and Rogers but I think Mckay has a lot of potential.  Hopefully we can get him on the PS because I like him.  A lot you can do with that size and he catches the ball much better than I thought he would be doing.

[akcolt]

13 minutes ago, krunk said:

 

 

Mckays made more plays than Quan Bray if you really want to get into it.  Especially when it comes to the deep ball.  Rogers is showing good ability to return punts, probably kicks too.  I like Mckays potential with that size and he seems to get open consistently.  It was more of me thinking out loud at what is possible, more than me really wanting to cut Bray.  I'll be okay if we keep Bray, Smith, and Rogers but I think Mckay has a lot of potential.  Hopefully we can get him on the PS because I like him.  A lot you can do with that size and he catches the ball much better than I thought he would be doing.

I see where you are coming from I think McKay goes to the PS without question. !Krunk it will take a set but I think the right call is letting Bray go. I like the kid but Rogers and Smith are better players with much brighter futures. They have both shown more receiving talent. The size can't be overlooked either. Rogers looks competent on PR. Todman can handle KR. IKR isn't that big of a deal. PR you can't just stick someone back there. that could save Quan. We will see how comfortable they are with Rogers back there. I wish we'd have got a look at Leak. I saw one Maryland game kid popped off the screen Coach's were talking about him before the injury. It seemed more than any of the WR's early on. 

 

[Valpo2004]

Honestly I think we should keep both.  Either by keeping 6 WR's on the roster or by letting someone else other then Bray do the return work.

 

Both of these guys have been tearing it up all pre-season and if we try to put them on PS I can't see them not getting picked up by another team.  

 

Honestly though I just don't see it being difficult to keep 6 WR's.  

[Smonroe]

2 hours ago, WarGhost21 said:

I love both of them, and they both performed very well in the clutch last night (see final drive), but Quan Bray is arguably a top 3 returner in the league, so this will be a tough decision. If it were up to me, I would keep all three and run with 6 receivers.

 

Why is Bray top 3?

 

He averaged 27 yds/KR.  He took most of those from in the endzone.  So effectively this season we could have anyone kneel and have as good starting field position. 

 

With the new rule, if kickers go short, wouldn't you want a guy like Todman fielding the ball?  In that scenario the returner will be hit sooner without much chance to build up speed.  I'd rather have a RB back there.