Don't pop the champagne yet

[12isthenew18]

We have a lot of needs and cuts left

 

My predicts: 

Only around 2m dead from all

 

RJF, Donald Thomas, TRich, Cribbs, Phillips

 

LETS MAKE IT HAPPEN

[Jason_]

don't understand the hate on RJF.  He's not getting cut until preseason at the earliest imo.  Unless the Colts sign a big name FA DE/DT

[RockThatBlue]

Am I the only one who wants to keep RJF? I don't understand why people want him cut.

[Jason_]

Am I the only one who wants to keep RJF? I don't understand why people want him cut.

 

you definitely are not

[IndyD4U]

I don't understand the RJF hate either. He's been solid enough for us. Not great, but not terrible.

[Colts_Fan12]

I like RJF but if we were to sign say Fairley idk if the colts would keep him or not

[12isthenew18]

His contract is too high

[Superman]

Not only don't I understand the RJF hate, I also don't understand why this needed to be its own thread.

[NewColtsFan]

I expect RJF to return.

 

Now, whether we ask him to take a slight cut in pay is another thing.

 

But I think he's a decent player for the Colts.

[Track Guy]

Everyone on the list except RJF will probably not return imo, yeah. Cribbs was terrible. 

[danlhart87]

Lets restructure his contract

[throwing BBZ]

I expect RJF to return.

 

Now, whether we ask him to take a slight cut in pay is another thing.

 

But I think he's a decent player for the Colts.

 

 At age 28 he has a lot left in him. I wish they had played him more on early downs saving Redding for his rush ability. lol

[NewColtsFan]

Lets restructure his contract

 

Sure,  but it takes two to tango....

 

RJF has to be willing....

[mattceinicram]

RJF provides solid depth

[In Luck We Trust]

Am I the only one who wants to keep RJF? I don't understand why people want him cut.

i thought he played quite well for us. he is one of a few guys i want to keep on the team. 

[ProblChld32]

Am I the only one who wants to keep RJF? I don't understand why people want him cut.

 

i agree with you i would prefer to keep him. 

[masterlock]

don't understand the hate on RJF.  He's not getting cut until preseason at the earliest imo.  Unless the Colts sign a big name FA DE/DT

One man's "hate" is another man's fair and impartial assessment. I don't think many RJF "haters" would say he's played poorly. But it's debatable whether he's been worth the $5-6 million annual salary the Colts have paid him.

[Coffeedrinker]

And one's man's "fair and impartial assessment" is another man's "I wonder if people actually watch the games."

 

RJF:

• Graded out as the Colts best dlineman in 2014.
• Has shown he is versatile enough to play the DT and DE positions equally well
• Is just entering the prime of his NFL career
• Is still under contract
• Has been the primary back-up to a player that may retire

But yeah, let's cut him because THAT is the way to build a team.

[Dustin]

RJF was the 17th best pass rushing 34 DE in the NFL last year out of 22 players to play 50% of the team defensive snaps. From a hurry+hit+sack per pass rush POV.

 

He was also 22nd in run stop percentage out of 27 other 34 DEs. 

[Coffeedrinker]

RJF was the 17th best pass rushing 34 DE in the NFL last year out of 22 players to play 50% of the team defensive snaps. 

 

He was also 22nd in run stop percentage out of 27 other 34 DEs. 

This is why people should not use PFF to evaluate players.

[Dustin]

This is why people should not use PFF to evaluate players.

 

I'll use advancedfootballabritracymetric.gov next time. That way they can tell me RJF was better than Redding, which we all know is objectively wrong. 

[CR91]

its not that theres hate towards rjf, its the fact that we can save 5.5 million by cutting him

[Jdubu]

I am one who says keep RJF

[Dustin]

its not that theres hate towards rjf, its the fact that we can save 5.5 million by cutting him

 

Yep. He's an alright player. The kind of guy who you call a good pick when you draft him in the 4th round. Not worth what he's being paid though. 

[Jason_]

One man's "hate" is another man's fair and impartial assessment. I don't think many RJF "haters" would say he's played poorly. But it's debatable whether he's been worth the $5-6 million annual salary the Colts have paid him.

And one man's alleged impartial assessment may not be accurate, or based on unrealistic expectations.

[Gavin]

Yep. He's an alright player. The kind of guy who you call a good pick when you draft him in the 4th round. Not worth what he's being paid though. 

solid depth player, inconsistent timing off the snap, I think he has the physical tools to be a great player but hand fights to much as well I think

[Coffeedrinker]

I'll use advancedfootballabritracymetric.gov next time. That way they can tell me RJF was better than Redding, which we all know is objectively wrong. 

AFA has proven to be a more accurate gauge of how a player does than PFF.

We can argue about it all day if you want.

[Dustin]

AFA has proven to be a more accurate gauge of how a player does than PFF.

We can argue about it all day if you want.

 

I don't want to argue. I'm the least argumentative person you'll encounter on the internet. 

[Dustin]

solid depth player, inconsistent timing off the snap, I think he has the physical tools to be a great player but hand fights to much as well I think

 

I think if he was ever going to be a great player, he'd have gotten there by now. He's about what? a year and half away from the end of his prime?

[Gavin]

I think if he was ever going to be a great player, he'd have gotten there by now. He's about what? a year and half away from the end of his prime?

Yeah I agree, Decent player though in a rotational role

[Jason_]

And one's man's "fair and impartial assessment" is another man's "I wonder if people actually watch the games."

RJF:

• Graded out as the Colts best dlineman in 2014.
• Has shown he is versatile enough to play the DT and DE positions equally well
• Is just entering the prime of his NFL career
• Is still under contract
• Has been the primary back-up to a player that may retire

But yeah, let's cut him because THAT is the way to build a team.

That's another way to put it lol

[Luck_Is_Skilled]

And one's man's "fair and impartial assessment" is another man's "I wonder if people actually watch the games."

 

RJF:

• Graded out as the Colts best dlineman in 2014.
• Has shown he is versatile enough to play the DT and DE positions equally well
• Is just entering the prime of his NFL career
• Is still under contract
• Has been the primary back-up to a player that may retire

But yeah, let's cut him because THAT is the way to build a team.

 

 

MY GOD! I wish I never brought up the possibilty of an RJF cut in the Landry thread. Its like its taken on a life of its own.

 

No one necessarily hates the guy, its just that he has a contract that will allow the Colts to save money if he is cut.

 

My mistake was posting it as a statement when I should have used a question mark. SMH

[csmopar]

i thought he played quite well for us. he is one of a few guys i want to keep on the team.

Agreed. He's servicable to say the least.

[Dark Superman]

My only dislike about RJF is that he's a backup, making starters money.

[Defjamz26]

My only dislike about RJF is that he's a backup, making starters money.

 

Exactly. Not sure what Grigs was thinking when he gave him that money. Maybe that he'd be a long term starter opposite Redding, but that didn't pan out. He's a great rotational guy.

 

I'd see if you can restructure his deal if anything.

[Jaric]

Exactly. Not sure what Grigs was thinking when he gave him that money. Maybe that he'd be a long term starter opposite Redding, but that didn't pan out. He's a great rotational guy.

I'd see if you can restructure his deal if anything.

He was very likely looking a roster that had just been completely purged and was devoid of talent. The talent that was there defensively was drafted to play in a completely different defensive scheme.

Had Grigson just used the draft to build the team, we'd probably just now be building up to a playoff team. So you go through free agency which means you're going to overpay, that's just how it works.

We needed bodies at that point in time and overall Grigson did (IMO) an excellent job of doing the best with what he had.

Now, fast forward 3 years and we're in a much different position than when he took over.

[Jason_]

Exactly. Not sure what Grigs was thinking when he gave him that money. Maybe that he'd be a long term starter opposite Redding, but that didn't pan out. He's a great rotational guy.

 

I'd see if you can restructure his deal if anything.

 

I don't think RJF was signed to be a long term starter next to Redding because Redding himself will not be a long term starter.  He contemplated retirement last year so he could retire at any time.  I do, however, believe that RJF was brought in to be a long term starter on a contract that would make it easy for the Colts to release him if he doesn't live up to it or that can be renegotiated in the final year or 2, a practice that is very common in the NFL.  I expect RJF and Jones to be the starters next year unless we make a splash signing like Fairley, Suh or Knighton (which I don't expect to happen) or someone is drafted that winds up winning the starting spot in camp.

 

For all the people saying RJF is a backup making starter's money...does it matter at all that RJF had the 2nd highest snap count in 2014 and by a large margin?

 

Redding - 740 def snaps

RJF - 636

Chapman - 378

Jones - 362

Ker - 286

Hughes - 196

Quarles - 22

 

And despite the belief of the "he's overpaid" club, he played well far more often than he didn't.  And for those saying he's overpaid for being a rotational player...well that just simply is not true because, based on snap count, he was not a rotational player.

[Defjamz26]

For all the people saying RJF is a backup making starter's money...does it matter at all that RJF had the 2nd highest snap count in 2014 and by a large margin?

 

Redding - 740 def snaps

RJF - 636

Chapman - 378

Jones - 362

Ker - 286

Hughes - 196

Quarles - 22

 

And despite the belief of the "he's overpaid" club, he played well far more often than he didn't.  And for those saying he's overpaid for being a rotational player...well that just simply is not true because, based on snap count, he was not a rotational player.

 

That's mostly because Jones was injured so often during the season. But it also has to do with what he did during those snaps. And he didn't have nearly the impact that Redding and Jones have when they're both on the field.

[ColtStronger]

Am I the only one who wants to keep RJF? I don't understand why people want him cut.

I think we should keep RJF, it would be nice if he restructured his contract though.

[lollygagger8]

Donald Thomas, TRich, Cribbs, Phillips

 

 

 

These are the cuts I expect. 

 

RJF is good. He just needs to restructure his contract.