PFT Reporting Davis To Sign With Another Team

[Drewbacca]

Dq'Well isn't below average. You're just someone who doesn't read into facts and basic statistics.

 

Child please. Take a look at his bottom ten run stopping ability and tell me he's not below average.

[Balzer40]

They had about $10 million before letting a Rogers walk.

They have to cap to land Davis..

 

 

 

Yes, but then they have about nothing to re-sign Whitner and a few others. Not to mention their draft picks and Kap wanting a huge deal in the near future. Signing Davis and letting Whitner and a few others walk does nothing but make them worse. San Fran is too smart IMO to do that. We'll see, but I don't think it's San Fran.

[HarassedOffTheSite]

This is the dishonest language Florio uses with my commentary in red:

 

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"Per a league source, Davis is expected to sign a deal on Tuesday, the first day of free agency."

 

This is not news. It is not breaking news. And it is not indicative of Davis signing with any other team. It is simply a fact that is apparent to all.

 

"At this point, it likely won’t be the Colts."

 

He "adds" this immediately following the above 'sourced' sentence. But it is 100 percent conjecture on his part.

 

"The situation is fluid and dynamic and subject to change..."

 

"Caveat Emptor" He glibly inserts his get out of jail -for saying something purely speculative and trying to pass it off as something more than that- free card.

 

"...as evidenced by the fact that, as of last night, there was a report that Davis was close to re-signing with the Colts."

 

More equivocation.

 

"For now, he’s not. He’s close to signing with someone else. And he could do just that on Tuesday."

 

Ties it off with a nonsensical bow saying "right now" Davis isn't signing with the Colts. And that he "could" sign with someone else not right now. ;/

 

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What a coward.

[IndyScribe]

It can be frustrating when we see Grigs give premium dollars for players like Cherilus, RJF, Walden, Patty Mac, and Jackson....sure none were elite numbers except Cherilus but all were paid at the top of their value or more and yet to watch basically our second rd pick of a year ago walk away for nothing does hurt. 

Jackson wasn't paid like an elite player. Paid middle of the pack, and paid less than he was during Cleveland. McAfee was reported to want 3 million, so signing him for less than that is good.

[Superman]

lololol yes

 

The white coats are going to pick you up on the way back from getting this 1yard guy up above who's fixated on us trading for Revis.

 

If Vontae Davis wanted $17m total, he'd have a deal already.

[dgambill]

How does that make his contract any better for us? His money gets paid one way or another, and it hits the cap one way or another. You either pay now or you pay later.

 

So if the Colts don't want to pay Davis whatever he's asking for -- and I can assure you that it's considerably less than the $16m that Revis is making -- why would they turn around and trade for Revis?

 

Please don't keep trying to make this make sense. There's nothing reasonable about this idea.

Indeed...Revis is basically untradable. He is awesome...but there are few teams that could afford his contract AND could give up a draft pick (probably a first rd) to get it done. I wouldn't be opposed to Revis for a year or two...and can let him walk when we re-sign Luck....but we have nothing to offer nor should we. The only teams that could really afford Revis is TB, JAX, and OAK. Of those teams...he is best off with TB....even if they do run the tampa 2 coverage.

[colts_100nascar17fan]

Hopefully he goes to an afc team we play so wayne,hilton or one of our other wr's can torch him all afternoon.....throw bombs all game long!!!!

[Drewbacca]

Yes, but then they have about nothing to re-sign Whitner and a few others. Not to mention their draft picks and Kap wanting a huge deal in the near future. Signing Davis and letting Whitner and a few others walk does nothing but make them worse. San Fran is too smart IMO to do that. We'll see, but I don't think it's San Fran.

 

Gut tells me they will let Whitner walk, and draft another safety to pair with Reid. Mainly so they can save for Kaepernicks mega deal, so I agree that signing Vontae leaves them little flexibility. 

[Superman]

It can be frustrating when we see Grigs give premium dollars for players like Cherilus, RJF, Walden, Patty Mac, and Jackson....sure none were elite numbers except Cherilus but all were paid at the top of their value or more and yet to watch basically our second rd pick of a year ago walk away for nothing does hurt. I'm sure he has a plan...and I can't judge til after all the dust settles etc but this certainly isn't how I would think we would like free agency to go if we are the Colts. We had two main issues last year and that was defense and the offensive line...and neither really have been upgraded yet. I know free agency hasn't started but even if we had franchised Davis we would have at least got 1 more year to judge his play and the going rate for these corners in the market has been around 10 million anyways so I'm not sure I understand what we did here. Worst case is he walked after a year...it wouldn't have hurt our cap situation moving forward...best case it gave us time to work out a long term deal and we lowered the cap hits. The other corners on the market I can't say are better than Vontae...and will probably go with a 1 or 2 yr deal with a vet and draft a corner. 

 

When the cap jumped 10 million...and we saw these teams handing out big contracts or discussing them...I saw some of this coming. I didn't see us making a big splash in free agency because I figured we would bring back Davis, Bethea, Macafee, and Vinatari....but with Davis gone possibly...we may need to make some bigger moves on defense to sure it up. Whether its at FS or on the DL to generate more pass rush but if we hold pat...ouch....Luck is going to be asked even more to carry this team....and we saw the results in the playoffs....he is best when he isn't pressured to do it all.

 

You make some salient points, but I'll just point out two very obvious things that I'm sure you already realize:

 

1) Davis hasn't signed with anyone else yet, so this is all premature.

2) It would suck to have him walk, and we get nothing in return (aside from a possible future compensatory pick), but at a certain point, you have to be willing to walk away. Can't just give him whatever he wants, just because we invested a 2nd rounder to get him. 

[jvan1973]

Child please. Take a look at his bottom ten run stopping ability and tell me he's not below average.

Quoting Chad Johnson is always good for your credibility

[Drewbacca]

Quoting Chad Johnson is always good for your credibly

 

Spelling correctly is always good for your credibility. 

[jvan1973]

Spelling correctly is always good for your credibility.

Except yours was intentional

[ColtJax]

If Davis really wants top dollar then let him walk, he's good but not good enough for that kind of money. We have a lot of cap space, but to just throw that kind of coin to players that warrant 1/2 of that is just asking for trouble down the road.

[BProland85]

If he signs anywhere near 8 or 9 mil per season, Grigson put this defense in a tough situation by not bringing him back. Now we have a huge hole in the secondary.

[dgambill]

Jackson wasn't paid like an elite player. Paid middle of the pack, and paid less than he was during Cleveland. McAfee was reported to want 3 million, so signing him for less than that is good.

I didn't mean to imply he was...I said premium dollars...and to me for an ilb of his age and stature....I think we paid Jackson at least his market value if not more. It was the signing of a team desperate for lb help...not one of a team confident in what we had or could land in the draft. All I am saying is Grigson hasn't been shy with his contracts...granted there are room with most to get out of them if they become undervalued but he has paid top market dollar for these guys....and then when it comes time to sign a top market corner thats one of our own...its worrisome if we let Davis walk. I'm not saying its doomsday or anything..just concerning because we don't know what direction we will go...Davis was our top priority...I still think it was short sighted not to franchise tag him and work out a deal later or let him walk after the year because 10 million is what he was going to get anyways...guess that was too rich for us...but a corner of his caliber on the open market....yeah we've seen worse get better deals so Davis to me was worth it. I'm not giving up on him...or saying Grigs is screwing up....we have yet to see the big picture...but am I concerned...yeah...losing good young talent...that we spent a second rd on...that sucks.

[Drewbacca]

Except yours was intentional

 

[HarassedOffTheSite]

Indeed...Revis is basically untradable. He is awesome...but there are few teams that could afford his contract AND could give up a draft pick (probably a first rd) to get it done. I wouldn't be opposed to Revis for a year or two...and can let him walk when we re-sign Luck....but we have nothing to offer nor should we. The only teams that could really afford Revis is TB, JAX, and OAK. Of those teams...he is best off with TB....even if they do run the tampa 2 coverage.

 

Yes but Tampa is NOT better off with him. His talent is sufficient for the Cover 2 Zone that they'll run. However, His salary is way overblown for the position he will be playing and the impact it is designed to have on the overall defense.

 

I will not be surprised if Lovie Smith cuts him.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

Spelling correctly is always good for your credibility. 

You have a point. 

[ColtsLegacy]

Doesn't matter if he's better, Grimes is old. And a guy his age at CB shouldn't be getting that kind of money. But that's the dolphins problem. They'll be feeling the effects of their splurging of $$$ soon enough

Don't be ridiculous, it absolutely does matter if a player is better. They certainly factor age in to the equation. However, with the disparity in play between Grimes and Shields I don't buy Shields should be making as much as Grimes, let alone more.

[SolomonThomasFanAccount]

this is mike florio florio we are talking about who hates everyone in the colts organisation , who particularly creates baloney see his comments about irsay before the denver game.

[Drewbacca]

Don't be ridiculous, it absolutely does matter if a player is better. Age is certainly factored in but with the disparity in play between Grimes and Shields I don't buy Shields should be making as much as Grimes, let alone more.

 

Shields isn't even half the player a healthy Grimes is. 

[dgambill]

You make some salient points, but I'll just point out two very obvious things that I'm sure you already realize:

 

1) Davis hasn't signed with anyone else yet, so this is all premature.

2) It would suck to have him walk, and we get nothing in return (aside from a possible future compensatory pick), but at a certain point, you have to be willing to walk away. Can't just give him whatever he wants, just because we invested a 2nd rounder to get him. 

Indeed.....well said. But considering who we will likely bring in during FA...it will probably wash the compensatory pick.....it's not like we are getting picked clean...we have been buyers in FA and likely to outweigh losing one (very good) player.

[dgambill]

Yes but Tampa is NOT better off with him. His talent is sufficient for the Cover 2 Zone that they'll run. However, His salary is way overblown for the position he will be playing and the impact it is designed to have on the overall defense.

 

I will not be surprised if Lovie Smith cuts him.

Now that is a possibility except I'm not sure they save anything on his salary. I think he is on the final year of his contract...its all guaranteed if I'm not mistaken...and I could be. I agree he isn't a good fit...and with that salary few places outside Oakland he would be.

[NewEra]

If he walks I'd like to see us snatch up Byrd or ward and a good cb. I think our biggest problems in the secondary, aside from Tolers injuries was the safeties. I think if we had more of a ballhawks back there it would make up for some of our cb flaws. Like when we had bob. Just my opinion, but I think if our front 7 and our fa was better we would still have a better d without Davis. I'd still like to see him sign to a reasonable contract.

[HarassedOffTheSite]

Now that is a possibility except I'm not sure they save anything on his salary. I think he is on the final year of his contract...its all guaranteed if I'm not mistaken...and I could be. I agree he isn't a good fit...and with that salary few places outside Oakland he would be.

 

Oh...well, if they're on the hook for his salary then I would be surprised to see Lovie Smith cut him. Hahaha...

[HtownColt]

@nfltrade_rumors: Report: Jets "Going Hard" After CB Vontae Davis Tuesday http://t.co/1xolxqzae1

[BProland85]

I think all signs are pointing to the Colts drafting a corner early. Signing D-Jax and now them having real interest in Arthur Jones. I think our first 2 picks are CB and WR or CB and Safety

The only corner available in round 2 I would want is Stanley Jean Baptiste. Don't want McGill since he will be 25 when the season starts, and I think Baptiste is better. Would have rather solidified the CB position before the draft and went after DE/OLB or FS in the draft.

[BLUEx40]

good c ya have fun losing every time you play us

[Superman]

Now that is a possibility except I'm not sure they save anything on his salary. I think he is on the final year of his contract...its all guaranteed if I'm not mistaken...and I could be. I agree he isn't a good fit...and with that salary few places outside Oakland he would be.

 

Revis' contract isn't guaranteed. They signed him with no signing bonus, and no guaranteed money. He gets a $1.5m roster bonus and a $1.5m workout bonus every year, and a $13m base salary. If they cut or trade him before the roster bonus or workout bonus are due (roster bonus is due on the third day of the league year, which is Thursday this week), they owe him nothing, and have no cap penalty.

[ColtsLegacy]

Shields isn't even half the player a healthy Grimes is.

We agree.

[Dustin]

Now that is a possibility except I'm not sure they save anything on his salary. I think he is on the final year of his contract...its all guaranteed if I'm not mistaken...and I could be. I agree he isn't a good fit...and with that salary few places outside Oakland he would be.

 

Oh...well, if they're on the hook for his salary then I would be surprised to see Lovie Smith cut him. Hahaha...

 

He has like $0 guaranteed money. It was such a weird contract that I couldn't believe it. He can be cut with basically no penalty.

[IndyScribe]

@nfltrade_rumors: Report: Jets "Going Hard" After CB Vontae Davis Tuesday http://t.co/1xolxqzae1

Cromartie saved them 9.5 million, so it's possible.

[Superman]

The only corner available in round 2 I would want is Stanley Jean Baptiste. Don't want McGill since he will be 25 when the season starts, and I think Baptiste is better. Would have rather solidified the CB position before the draft and went after DE/OLB or FS in the draft.

 

You'd get an athlete in his physical prime for four years, really cheap. I wouldn't mind spending a third on McGill, which is where I think he'll go.

[dgambill]

He has like $0 guaranteed money. It was such a weird contract that I couldn't believe it. He can be cut with basically no penalty.

Except they would lose that 1st rd pick they gave up to get him....don't see them just letting him walk. I would anticipate they try to make it work or trade him to the Raiders and their millions lol. He would be a perfect fit here on a 1 or 2 yr deal...at least until we have to re-sign Luck and CO.

[Mameluc]

gotta be the 49ers

[Colts_Fan12]

I blame the stupid Packers and that stupid Sam Shields deal . . . Stupid.

Don't forget the dolphins paying too much for a 30 year old CB. Those deals really hurt our chances with Vontae

[BLUEx40]

If he does go after the money there is always Verner, Cromartie, etc

I think this forum would explode if Grigson brought in another injury prone cornerback

[dgambill]

Would be funny if everyone spent a whole crap load on corners and then Revis got cut...leaving us with a ton of space to sign him for like 10-12 mill. That would be ok with me.  : )

[Drewbacca]

Vontae would tear it up with the Jets.

[dgambill]

I think we are going to end up with one of those second level free agents at corner and if that is the case we better have a back up plan like a draft pick or something...I could see Cromartie on a prove it contract similar to what DRC did.