Grigson's best gem

[CR91]

for all the criticism grigs gets. (rightfully so) he has found us some gems. which do you think has been the best gem? not just talent wise, but also coming out of no where and becoming vital to the team. I put TY because I dont think anyone saw him becoming a superstar

[Defjamz26]

Hilton but not sure how you don't have Jack Doyle on that list.

[superrep1967]

19 minutes ago, CR91 said:

for all the criticism grigs gets. (rightfully so) he has found us some gems. which do you think has been the best gem? not just talent wise, but also coming out of no where and becoming vital to the team. I put TY because I dont think anyone saw him becoming a superstar

 

Vontae Davis wasn't drafted by us, But he was brought in and was one of Grigs best decisions. 

[CR91]

1 minute ago, Defjamz26 said:

Hilton but not sure how you don't have Jack Doyle on that list.

 

That's why I put other. I was bound to miss someone

[jvan1973]

TY and it isn't really close in my opinion.

[Nesjan3]

Your poll should be who is Grigs best gem besides TY

[dodsworth]

Grigson signed a few gems but even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally. 

 

I would go with Luck, TY and Davis.

[CR91]

12 minutes ago, dodsworth said:

Grigson signed a few gems but even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally. 

 

I would go with Luck, TY and Davis.

 

Can't really say luck. Anyone could have found him

[Buck Showalter]

During Grigsons career as the GM it almost felt like his strength was turning up a few undiscovered gems, as evidenced by your list here of decent/contributing players ...

 

It always seemed like Grigsons problem

was that he over thought the draft process & in turn, completely blew the early/easy picks, seemingly in an attempt to "outsmart" by doing the unconventional ...

 

I mean the Colts defense would probably be better off now, or at least no worse off, if Irsay would've  just polled this forum for the first 2 picks of the past 4 drafts...

[Andrew Luck fan club]

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile. 

[CR91]

Did good just vote

[2006Coltsbestever]

It's TY Hilton easily. Having said that I am glad he's gone.

[Defjamz26]

54 minutes ago, Buck Showalter said:

During Grigsons career as the GM it almost felt like his strength was turning up a few undiscovered gems, as evidenced by your list here of decent/contributing players ...

 

It always seemed like Grigsons problem

was that he over thought the draft process & in turn, completely blew the early/easy picks, seemingly in an attempt to "outsmart" by doing the unconventional ...

 

I mean the Colts defense would probably be better off now, or at least no worse off, if Irsay would've  just polled this forum for the first 2 picks of the past 4 drafts...

Yup. 2013, he should've taken Rhodes. 2014 he shouldn't have traded for Richardson. 2015 he should've taken Collins. 2016, he shouldn't have taken Green that high. This topic illustrates how his attempt to think outside the box early rarely payed off. He was smart to trade up for Hilton, and Doyle is the reason Allen is out of a job. But he failed pretty hard after 2012. He's basically got 2 true "gems" after 6 drafts.

 

But we should probably separate it into his Draft/UDFA gems and his FA signing gems. I'll still say Hilton for his draft gem. But Mike Adams is his FA gem.

[BOTT]

I don't really consider TY a gem...by your definition anyway.  TY was getting a lot of hype late in the draft process.

[BProland85]

Considering Jerrell Freeman was plucked from the CFL, I'd say its him. Yes Hilton has been more productive, but Freeman was a no name until he was brought in.

[RockThatBlue]

Erik Swoope could end up being the best gem down the road, that said as of today its TY.

[Dark Superman]

4 hours ago, CR91 said:

for all the criticism grigs gets. (rightfully so) he has found us some gems. which do you think has been the best gem? not just talent wise, but also coming out of no where and becoming vital to the team. I put TY because I dont think anyone saw him becoming a superstar

No Vontae Davis?

[2006Coltsbestever]

2 minutes ago, I'm Negan said:

No Vontae Davis?

Great point, I missed that as well. TY is 1a and Vontae is 1b.

[gacker65]

I would say Anderson.  Got him a round after I thought he would go.  Had a great rookie season till he got hurt.  If he comes back to the start of his rookie season , IMO, Pro Bowler

[jbaron04]

5 hours ago, CR91 said:

for all the criticism grigs gets. (rightfully so) he has found us some gems. which do you think has been the best gem? not just talent wise, but also coming out of no where and becoming vital to the team. I put TY because I dont think anyone saw him becoming a superstar

Finding gems doesn't equal the amount of misses in the first 3 rounds 

[CR91]

1 hour ago, I'm Negan said:

No Vontae Davis?

 

1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Great point, I missed that as well. TY is 1a and Vontae is 1b.

 

Well Davis isn't really a find. He was already talented. Miami just didn't like his attitude

[CR91]

11 minutes ago, jbaron04 said:

Finding gems doesn't equal the amount of misses in the first 3 rounds 

 

Not defending him. Just thought it'd be a fun topic

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, CR91 said:

 

 

Well Davis isn't really a find. He was already talented. Miami just didn't like his attitude

Good point but it was still a great move by Grigs to spot him and trade for him. He has been our best CB for years.

[dodsworth]

6 hours ago, CR91 said:

 

Can't really say luck. Anyone could have found him

He could have opted for Griffin so I gotta

Give him that one.

[ÅÐØNϧ 1]

Doyle  , They traded up for T.Y they expected alot & got it .

but DOYLE ?  IMO has turned into a clutch TE . . 

 

Doyle made Fleener & Allen expendable  & was rewarded a new contract last man standing is the gem ..

[Imrryr]

Other: luck

[2006Coltsbestever]

3 minutes ago, Imrryr said:

Other: luck

I think the OP left Luck off because no way we weren't picking him 1st. I would go other too then

[Imrryr]

2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I think the OP left Luck off because no way we weren't picking him 1st. I would go other too then

Yeah but even though he was as close as anyone there was still a chance he wouldnt pan out so i still give credit.

[jimmy g]

I'm guessing it was NOT Trent Richardson???????

[Chucklez]

Other - The trade for Davis was instrumental and we wouldnt have had the three 11 - 5 season we did without him. I know Grigs got our defence into the situation it is in now, but without Davis in that secondary it would have looked a hell of a lot worse.

[lollygagger8]

In my head I was thinking Mike Adams.......

 

 

Until I remember he drafted TY

[Valpo2004]

41 minutes ago, lollygagger8 said:

In my head I was thinking Mike Adams.......

 

 

Until I remember he drafted TY

 

I would say biggest gem would actually be Adams.  He signed that guy to a vet min contract for 1 year his first year with the Colts.  And then he never made more then like 2M.

 

I would also say however that TY Hilton is the most IMPACTFUL gem.  He spent a 3rd rounder on TY.  While he's certainly still a gem, 3rd rounders are suppose to have decent NFL careers anyways.  So it wasn't like he pulled TY out of like the 6th round or a UDFA.  

 

TY was the most important gem, but in terms of what he gave us verses resources spent, Mike Adams was the biggest.

[Valpo2004]

2 hours ago, Chucklez said:

Other - The trade for Davis was instrumental and we wouldnt have had the three 11 - 5 season we did without him. I know Grigs got our defence into the situation it is in now, but without Davis in that secondary it would have looked a hell of a lot worse.

 

I would argue that a we gave away a 2nd round pick for Davis.  That's quite an investment.  Not to say that Davis hasn't been important or he hasn't been a gem but I look at it in terms or resources spent verses production and a 2nd round pick is a decent investment.  

 

 

[RockThatBlue]

17 hours ago, jimmy g said:

I'm guessing it was NOT Trent Richardson???????

Whats the opposite of gem? 

[Dingus McGirt]

On ‎4‎/‎16‎/‎2017 at 1:34 PM, BProland85 said:

Considering Jerrell Freeman was plucked from the CFL, I'd say its him. Yes Hilton has been more productive, but Freeman was a no name until he was brought in.

And just where is Freeman these days???

[GoColts8818]

Without question TY Hilton

[UKColt13]

1. TY

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2. Doyle

3. JFree

[Chucklez]

15 hours ago, Dingus McGirt said:

And just where is Freeman these days???

He is still with Da Bears.

[Dingus McGirt]

2 minutes ago, Chucklez said:

He is still with Da Bears.

Bingo

[Dingus McGirt]

On ‎4‎/‎16‎/‎2017 at 10:40 AM, CR91 said:

for all the criticism grigs gets. (rightfully so) he has found us some gems. which do you think has been the best gem? not just talent wise, but also coming out of no where and becoming vital to the team. I put TY because I dont think anyone saw him becoming a superstar

That is a key part of the GM's job - finding "gems."