NewEra Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 It's a tough thing to describe, that's probably where the mix-up is coming from. I've given the wrong impression about my thoughts on Moncrief many times, because people often think I'm saying he can't catch. No, he absolutely can catch, I just want him to catch with his hands because I think it will make him a better receiver, make it easier for him to take advantage of his size and athleticism. As far as his tools go, I've compared him to Larry Fitzgerald and Julio Jones. Someone else compared him to AJ Green. Really significant comparisons. But the difference between him and those three is that he doesn't attack the ball. If he starts doing that, look out.I get what you mean. Attack the ball and make darn sure you are the one who gets it. I also think by doing that it gets you ready to make your next move in full on attack mode. I think he should be able to develope that. Sounds like more of a mental aspect part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtsLegacy Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I really enjoyed his breakout game yesterday and I have to say that kid is quick and has good open field running ability however I can't shake the DHB comparison to him. He catches everything with his body. I understand there is some dynamics at play as to where the pass is thrown but even things he can catch with his hands he catches with his body. I first thought this when I watched his highlight videos coming out of college and yesterday, if I remember correctly, they were all body catches.There are plenty of receivers that have the ability to make a career in the NFL doing that, it's just not something I am used to.Is this a just me thing or do others see this as well?That sideline catch with the toe tap was easily better than any catch DHB ever made for us. Moncrief may let more balls into his chest than he should but I'm really not worried about him being anything like DHB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellboys Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Like someone said before. Give him some time with Reggie and he will be very good.And if everyone remembers Reggie had someone named Marvin Harrison here to teach him how to play in the NFL also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtJ82 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Reggie was not considered a bust after his first season! :slaphead:He wasn't considered a bust, but for a few years he was somewhat regarded as a disappointment of a first round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakedownstreet Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 So far I've seen everyone say they "love Moncrief" he has played one good game!The hype on this board is always crazy!!I can't wait until Moncrief has a bad game and everyone bashes him for it!!! (Obviously don't want him to but it's just funny how people react game to game.) *** lodges a formal complaint about people complaining about people who complain *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mo0nlighting Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I was just able to watch the game (NFL Game Rewind)...and I like what I saw out of him. That catch and toe tap at the 1 yard line made me grin like a fool. Me likey so far. Feed Moncrief! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBlu8792 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I think he has A. J. Green, Randy Moss type potential once he refines his game some.I can definitely see that, and it wouldn't hurt my feelings either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bravo Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 *** lodges a formal complaint about people complaining about people who complain ***I never said poeple complain? Now bravo *makes a formal complaint about people who thinks people are complaining about people who complain.*;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Guildo Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I want more Moncrief. I think he's going to be a very good player for us for a long time.The shocking thing is how young he is and with the help of Reggie this you man can grow into something special with his speed. All you have to do is look at the catch on the sideline at the 1 yard line that was awesome but the refs almost robbed him of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueShoe Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 ya he was, and even into his second season... disappointment ... = bust..... I live right here in Coltville... I remember very vividly... It's about time I found someone around here remembers it correctly. Last time I brought this up, I had to take on 90% of the board, because they could not believe it. Reggie did not have a stellar start in Indy, and Colts fans were ticked off that we took a receiver to begin with. It took a few years for the fans to fall in love with Reggie Wayne, but once they did, the connection became real. Reggie is a true Colt, through and through. I hope he never plays in a different uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coltsfanatic24 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I think Moncrief potential is a bigger, stronger Mike Wallace but with better hands. From what I've seen so far he should be starting over Nicks, has more speed and separates better from the CB's. Moncrief and Hilton on the field at the same time would give us two deep threats and more versatility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeedrinker Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Reggie was not considered a bust after his first season! :slaphead:He was by many, not just after his first season but after his first two seasons, especially on the indystar forum. People said things like, if Wayne were any good he would have been starting, or the Colts must not have faith in him because they signed Ismail and then Troy Walters, etc. Others said he doesn't have the skill set to be a #1 WR in the NFL. I remember in 2003 fans wanting the Colts to trade up to take Charles Rogers or the year before wanted the Colts to take Ashley Lelie instead of Freeney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 The DHB comparisons and comments on needing to catch with his hands are just plain stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Really, if your catching everything with your body, then your not catching with your hands, and that makes catching with your hands, the issue, whether you can catch with your hands or not, your not confident enough to catch with your hands, and that makes catching with you body instead of your hands the issue, " Once again you make no sense at all" "What part of that do you not understand"Why did you put quotation marks around a normal sentence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Colt Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 We will be willing to accept the efforts of all who wish to be champions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJACKCOLT Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Why did you put quotation marks around a normal sentence? Because I can. "WHAT PART OF THAT DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Because I can. "WHAT PART OF THAT DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND"Oh wow, you are so freakin cool man. Quotes are used when you are stating what someone else said. You are just typing a normal statement with quotes around it and it makes you look ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystrymaster Posted September 23, 2014 Author Share Posted September 23, 2014 The DHB comparisons and comments on needing to catch with his hands are just plain stupid. Alright that's fine but why do you feel that way? what supports you in feeling that way? I want him to be a stud, hell I want every player with the horshoe on their head to be a stud, I am just a little worried because of what I have seen in the way he catches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BProland85 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 What do you think his ceiling and floor is? I think his ceiling is a more athletic version of Demaryius Thomas.At worst I think he is a guy who is a great redzone weapon, but doesn't play consistently and only flashes potential. Maybe a Dwayne Bowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 The DHB comparisons and comments on needing to catch with his hands are just plain stupid. No they aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horse Shoe Heaven Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 He was by many, not just after his first season but after his first two seasons, especially on the indystar forum. People said things like, if Wayne were any good he would have been starting, or the Colts must not have faith in him because they signed Ismail and then Troy Walters, etc. Others said he doesn't have the skill set to be a #1 WR in the NFL. I remember in 2003 fans wanting the Colts to trade up to take Charles Rogers or the year before wanted the Colts to take Ashley Lelie instead of Freeney.Maybe I am crazy, but I never felt that way about, Reggie, I felt he had the some growing pains that any talented WR would have. Saw great hands and route running ability an thought he would become a great tandem with Marvin. Did he have Marvins speed NO but few do or will! I think the problem with some of the rookies in the Pollian era is they played behind great players, and never found there stride with the team, or had to WAIT THERE TURN so to speak. Reggie played behind Marvins HUGE, but productive ego, and was probably the 4 or 5 option early in his career. Same happened to Hughes playing behind Freeney, an Mathis, and to a lessor extent maybe the CB Tim Jennings playing behind, Jackson & Hayden! Just off the top of my head. I wasn't on this site at that time might have been fun arguing the point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superrep1967 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I really enjoyed his breakout game yesterday and I have to say that kid is quick and has good open field running ability however I can't shake the DHB comparison to him. He catches everything with his body. I understand there is some dynamics at play as to where the pass is thrown but even things he can catch with his hands he catches with his body. I first thought this when I watched his highlight videos coming out of college and yesterday, if I remember correctly, they were all body catches. There are plenty of receivers that have the ability to make a career in the NFL doing that, it's just not something I am used to. Is this a just me thing or do others see this as well?At least he catches it ala DHB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horse Shoe Heaven Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 ya he was, and even into his second season... disappointment ... = bust..... I live right here in Coltville... I remember very vividly... Then people where crazy with unreal expectations!! Not me was never a disappointment! I also don't believe disappointment = bust 2 different things to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtsHoosiersBB Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Moncrief catches passes. Heyward Bey don't catch passes, the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoColts00 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I think he has A. J. Green, Randy Moss type potential once he refines his game some.I hope so! That would be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Moncrief catches passes. Heyward Bey don't catch passes, the end. Yes, which is why it's a mistake to compare him to DHB. That doesn't mean it's okay for him to body catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtsHoosiersBB Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Yes, which is why it's a mistake to compare him to DHB. That doesn't mean it's okay for him to body catch.I'm not a big fan of body catches either but it drives me insane when catchable ballshit the turf. Moncrief has caught almost, if not all balls thrown his way thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smash Mouth Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I'm not a big fan of body catches either but it drives me insane when catchable ballshit the turf. Moncrief has caught almost, if not all balls thrown his way thus far.He will learn to catch the ball with his hands. He's around a few good pros( #87 & #13) and should put the work in with the jug machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lollygagger8 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Too bad Hank Baskett isn't available......we would've put up 80 points! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtsHoosiersBB Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 He will learn to catch the ball with his hands. He's around a few good pros( #87 & #13) and should put the work in with the jug machine.Maybe he is willing to learn to catch with his hands because DHB wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystrymaster Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 What do you think his ceiling and floor is? I think his ceiling is a more athletic version of Demaryius Thomas.At worst I think he is a guy who is a great redzone weapon, but doesn't play consistently and only flashes potential. Maybe a Dwayne Bowe. I think Hakeem Nicks is his ceiling. Nicks from 2-3 years ago. Solid receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystrymaster Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 he made a great hands catch in 1 on 1 coverage with the nice little lob around the 2,great body control also,was first ruled out but after review was a catch,i was at the game near the endzone where it happened,he was smooth to his routes all day,made a few body catches going over the middle but sometimes that's expected so the ball is not exposed and defender has last second to try and make a play on it also. This catch??? I thought it was a body catch from memory and that sure looks like it is going to be a body catch to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 This catch??? I thought it was a body catch from memory and that sure looks like it is going to be a body catch to me.Definitly was a body catch, Still fantastic grab though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtsLegacy Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 This catch??? I thought it was a body catch from memory and that sure looks like it is going to be a body catch to me.He's going up for the ball and the ball is coming down. The trajectory makes it pretty difficult to try and catch it any other way.What Moncrief displayed with this catch is excellent body control and lack of body control is one of the main reasons why DHB is a terrible receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystrymaster Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 I like the body control. My entire point was just the point about catching, that aspect of him reminds me of DHB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valpo2004 Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Little late to this discussion but I'm pretty sure his big catch on like the 2 yard line was a all hands catch. And he did go after it aggressively too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystrymaster Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 Little late to this discussion but I'm pretty sure his big catch on like the 2 yard line was a all hands catch. And he did go after it aggressively too. That's the image above, not a hands catch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_ Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 If only we still had Rayford. We would be 4-0 Add in John Chick, Lawrence Guy and Mike Hart and we'd have already won the Superbowl and Pro bowl by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJACKCOLT Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Oh wow, you are so freakin cool man. Quotes are used when you are stating what someone else said. You are just typing a normal statement with quotes around it and it makes you look ignorant. Whining abut someone else using quotation marks, makes you look like "whiney +" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtsRule815 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 I like what I've seen from Moncrief. If he learns to catch with his hands, we could have a real weapon in our arsenal for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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