Cory Redding didn't retire? Plays for Arizona!?

[ReMeDy]

How did the Colts let this happen and how did Arians convince Redding to play? Cory Redding was a great leader for our defense. Bruce Arians evidently saw it, and somehow got him on board. I guess I don't watch enough Arizona games, but did anyone see Redding's stiff arm on a Packers defender as he rumbled in for a defensive TD?
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2015122710/2015/REG16/packers@cardinals#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000610596&tab=recap

I also like how they signed Dwight Freeney. I'm calling Arizona the Indianapolis Cardinals, and will be rooting for them in place of the Colts. I'm curious if anyone else is rooting for them. I think Bruce Arians deserves a Superbowl, and I feel they're the most complete team in the NFL.

[BigQandTheManiac]

You didn't know that he plays for Arizona?? I don't remember him ever saying that he was gonna retire last season. BTW I think this is Reddings second defensive TD this season.

[needanoline63]

Dwight freeney has 7 sacks! That's the same amount as like 4 of our rushers have. Of course they do better somewhere else

[rock8591]

Redding has not had a good season at all this year.

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/coryredding/2505510/profile

[hawkeyes]

20 minutes ago, rock8591 said:

Redding has not had a good season at all this year.

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/coryredding/2505510/profile

 

He hasn't had to have a great season ... the Cardinals are a "TEAM".

[Valpo2004]

Arians has a lot of former Colts playing roles on his team.  Shipley, Powers, Freeney are there too.  

[Bravo]

Redding and Powers all scored on a Fumble recovery TD. 

 

Freeney had had a strip sack leading to Powers's TD.

 

All former Colts making plays for the Cardinals! 

[NBColtsFanatic]

Man, I wish we somehow could've kept Arians.

[DougDew]

They are not being paid as much as when they played for the Colts.  Arians wouldn't pay them the same amount as when they were Colts, so the complaint to the point of why the Colts don't have them is moot.

 

Typically, when a players is released because his salary is too high, he doesn't WANT to return to the team.  

 

Its not the Colts fault they are not here.

[jet1968]

I wonder if they would be interested in Toler?

[COLTS449]

LOL. Yeah dude. He's been playing for them all year.

[Superman]

I wonder if OP knows Peyton Manning is a Bronco... ;)

[Nesjan3]

i so wish we would have hired Arians as our HC instead of Pagano

[BOTT]

Who cares about Redding

[TrueColt!]

Idk how we let redding and freeney go. Every week all I see is them making plays. Shows how well our scheme is. ...I wonder how many other guys on our roster would flourish under different staff, including Luck. They stumped his growth greatly! ...but if u ask the people in THESE forums, it's all Luck fault. He's the reason we loss redding and freeney. Arians is no fool, picked up another mans' trash and taught him what to do with it. Embarrassing. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

Losing Redding, S. Brown, and Reggie was just bad for the locker room. All are leaders and got the team pumped up. I was really upset that we didn't bring Redding back because we already were thin on the D.Line anyway.

[TrueColt!]

About the $$$, they are playing. Which means something can always be worked out. Need to take some Jerry Jones lessons. He knows how to shut people mouth that whine about $. In this biz, u get what u pay for. So, u pay and make playoffs or u don't and sit home like we're all about to watch this team do. Every year, terrible moves and all I see is more of a decline. How u have an argument if the team on a decline? Means maybe they should get paid. I can see if they gone and we still crushing but we're not and it shows big time. Proof right in front of ur eyes. Those dudes over there making plays. After all the Panthers done, they can over take them and those 2 dudes have a lot to do with that. 

[MCurtis32]

Don't forget Moore, the offensive coordinator. Remember, Moore was retiring. nonsense. The Colts had hold on to deer in the head lights coach caldwell. Moore , Mudd, they all retired. All these coaches gone. Redding, Wayne were the locker room leaders, they are gone. They sure replaced those guys with winners didn't they. Common

[ReMeDy]

1 hour ago, MCurtis32 said:

 They sure replaced those guys with winners didn't they. Common

The veterans we brought in could be doing a better job of leadership. Andre Johnson is a particular problem, as he's more of the humble-type, like Marvin Harrison was.

[MCurtis32]

Mathis has done a hell of a job after his injury. Will not be 100 percent until next year. We will probably not resighn him after this year. cardinals will pick him up and get 3 more years out of him. Grigson will find some more eagles cast offs for the o- line, and will take over play calling week one. Andrew Luck will not play for Indy due to the lack of contract and inability to protect him or even try. Gore is still a force in this league however, the colts organization will let him find another home, probably the Patriots and finally win a championship. Finally, the only emotional leader on this team, pagano, will be gone and we will all be left with Grigson to hang around like Matt Millan for Detroit for 5 or six years.

[MCurtis32]

If Pep Hamilton is gone. Why is our current OC still using his playbook? I thought I read somewhere that this was the situation. I suppose with this o-line, success would be minimal any way.

[Myles]

8 hours ago, ReMeDy said:

The veterans we brought in could be doing a better job of leadership. Andre Johnson is a particular problem, as he's more of the humble-type, like Marvin Harrison was.

I don't fault Johnson at all.   You can't expect first year players to be the leaders of a team.   If you do then you end up like the Colts of this year. 

I put that on Pagano as well.

 

[Myles]

20 hours ago, NBColtsFanatic said:

Man, I wish we somehow could've kept Arians.

You and me both.   The guy is good.  

Chucks illness forced our hand though.   Nothing the Colts could have done.

[2006Coltsbestever]

3 minutes ago, Myles said:

You and me both.   The guy is good.  

Chucks illness forced our hand though.   Nothing the Colts could have done.

Yeah nothing we could do. Letting Chuck go would've looked classless and Chuck is Good too. I do like Arians better though. I wish we would've re-signed Redding as well.

[Myles]

1 hour ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Yeah nothing we could do. Letting Chuck go would've looked classless and Chuck is Good too. I do like Arians better though. I wish we would've re-signed Redding as well.

While Arians is the better head coach, I too would have retained Chuck.  The PR nightmare would have been rough.  

[Jason_]

8 hours ago, MCurtis32 said:

If Pep Hamilton is gone. Why is our current OC still using his playbook? I thought I read somewhere that this was the situation. I suppose with this o-line, success would be minimal any way.

 

Um, because no team (especially one that's in the middle of a playoff run) is going to completely change their offensive scheme/playbook mid season.

[MCurtis32]

3 minutes ago, Jason_S said:

 

Um, because no team (especially one that's in the middle of a playoff run) is going to completely change their offensive scheme/playbook mid season.

Um, Why does a team, especially one that thinks they are in a playoff run, change OC mid stream?

[Jason_]

If I had the time and desire to do so, I'd love to check to see if any of the posters complaining about not retaining Redding and not signing Freeney are also ones that have criticized Grigson for turning the colts into the "oldest roster in the league"?

 

I'd also love to know if any of those posters are ones that complained about Redding's performance last year, because there were many who wanted him gone as soon as the off-season started.

 

Bottom line, instead of bringing back Redding, Grigson brought in Langford..a younger, more explosive player.  Instead of bringing back Freeney, Grigson brought in Trent Cole.  Cole is a better all around OLB imo but he hasn't provided the pass rush that we'd hoped.  All in all, Langford proved to be an upgrade whereas Cole did not.

 

BTW, Langford has 6 sacks this year, which is a career high for him.  I know that doesn't fit the "players always play better elsewhere" theory, but there you have it.  And before someone replies with "well he's just one player"...yeah but he's not the only one.  Just the most obvious considering the conversation.

[Jason_]

3 minutes ago, MCurtis32 said:

Um, Why does a team, especially one that thinks they are in a playoff run, change OC mid stream?

 

Because that OC's play calling and week to week game-planning ability (or, lack thereof) are hindering the team's chances at making a significant playoff run.  

[VaAllDay757]

13 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Losing Redding, S. Brown, and Reggie was just bad for the locker room. All are leaders and got the team pumped up. I was really upset that we didn't bring Redding back because we already were thin on the D.Line anyway.

Not really maybe reggie but the others they had to be cut

[VaAllDay757]

13 hours ago, TrueColt! said:

Idk how we let redding and freeney go. Every week all I see is them making plays. Shows how well our scheme is. ...I wonder how many other guys on our roster would flourish under different staff, including Luck. They stumped his growth greatly! ...but if u ask the people in THESE forums, it's all Luck fault. He's the reason we loss redding and freeney. Arians is no fool, picked up another mans' trash and taught him what to do with it. Embarrassing. 

Freeney had to go because he can't cover anything he was terrible in the scheme he fits arizona scheme much better and redding was ok but not what we needed

[chad72]

6 minutes ago, VaAllDay757 said:

Freeney had to go because he can't cover anything he was terrible in the scheme he fits arizona scheme much better and redding was ok but not what we needed

 

Like Bill Parcells said, "if Lawrence Taylor rushes the passer the best, quit horsing around trying to play him in coverage, just let him rush the passer". Words that the Colts coaching staff could have used wisely with Freeney then and even Mathis now. 

[Jason_]

2 hours ago, VaAllDay757 said:

Freeney had to go because he can't cover anything he was terrible in the scheme he fits arizona scheme much better and redding was ok but not what we needed

 

How is Arizona's scheme different from the Colts?

[Ja'Crispy]

On December 28, 2015 at 11:58 AM, jet1968 said:

I wonder if they would be interested in Toler?

 

If I am not mistaken, didn't we sign Toler away from Arizona? I'm guessing they don't want him back

[jet1968]

2 minutes ago, BigMcAfeeWithCheese said:

 

If I am not mistaken, didn't we sign Toler away from Arizona? I'm guessing they don't want him back

 

Well, they got the better end of that deal. Whatever the deal was.

[chad72]

13 minutes ago, jet1968 said:

 

Well, they got the better end of that deal. Whatever the deal was.

 

Toler was a free agent, just like Jerraud Powers. Cardinals swapped #2 CBs with us signing Toler and them signing Powers.

[Myles]

3 hours ago, Jason_S said:

 

 

I'd also love to know if any of those posters are ones that complained about Redding's performance last year, because there were many who wanted him gone as soon as the off-season started.

 

 

I hadn't talked to anyone who didn't want Redding back.   The guy was a much needed run-stuffer.

[VaAllDay757]

4 hours ago, Jason_S said:

 

How is Arizona's scheme different from the Colts?

If I'm not mistaken they run more of a 4-3 scheme like a cover 2 which we really don't do plus our defense has our OLB in coverage at times when they're really known for pass rushing

[Jason_]

5 minutes ago, VaAllDay757 said:

If I'm not mistaken they run more of a 4-3 scheme like a cover 2 which we really don't do plus our defense has our OLB in coverage at times when they're really known for pass rushing

 

I'm pretty sure Arizona runs more of a 1-gap 34, like the Colts have been running this season.  The depth chart on their official site also confirms that.  Just one example, if they ran a 4-3, then Freeney would be listed as a DE instead of an OLB.  

 

To your second point, eh, yeah that's true, but every 3-4 team drops their OLBs (even the Rush backer) into coverage at times.  Even 4-3 teams drop defensive linemen into coverage from time to time just to change things up and keep from becoming predictable.   I do think that the Colts have dropped the Rush backer into coverage a little more than I'd like, but I definitely wouldn't expect them to never drop him into coverage.

 

Plus, at this point in his career, Freeney is pretty much exclusively a part time pass rush specialist whereas his last year with the Colts he was still a full time player/starter.  When it comes down to it, I think that's the biggest reason he fits in so well with Ari.  They use him scarcely and only to rush the passer.  But they're also paying him as a part time player (looks like the max he can earn this year is $1 mil), not the $15 mil that the Colts paid him his final year here.

[Superman]

1 hour ago, Jason_S said:

Plus, at this point in his career, Freeney is pretty much exclusively a part time pass rush specialist whereas his last year with the Colts he was still a full time player/starter.  When it comes down to it, I think that's the biggest reason he fits in so well with Ari.  They use him scarcely and only to rush the passer.  But they're also paying him as a part time player (looks like the max he can earn this year is $1 mil), not the $15 mil that the Colts paid him his final year here.

 

He also sat at home the first five weeks of the season, so it's basically Week 12 for him, not Week 17. And he hasn't played more than 28 snaps this year. He's the NFL equivalent of a DH.