"The T.J. Green Project"

[NewEra]

To soon just to give up on him. This year will be huge to show if he has made improvements or not

[dodsworth]

Green was Pagano's baby and should be thrown out with the bath water.

Absolutely no instincts for any defensive backfield position. 

[HectorRoberts]

I would like to Give him one last year to prove himself, he only changed to defense 3 years ago. it takes time and patience, hes hasn’t really been given a chance to actually develop and get comfortable in one single role due to all the role changes he’s been given since he’s been here. 

[BOTT]

7 hours ago, jshipp23 said:

I figured there would be quite a few jokes in this thread, but I'm telling you if Green gets a little confidence and they simplify his role he is gonna do some good things..I think it would be a big mistake to write him off just yet..

I see special teams in his future

[Steamboat_Shaun]

6 hours ago, The Peytonator said:

Green was much better this last year than his rookie year, which is, oddly enough, how players tend to develop in their early career. No, he wasn’t great, but he’s the current forum whipping boy because he was a Ryan Grigson second round pick, and is living off his rookie reputation. 

 

Personally though, I think he’s better as a deep safety or Cover 2 safety, and special team player. I don’t want him playing the joker role. Backing up Hooker and just being a general role player is what he should be, and he is solid depth. By no means a roster lock, but also not someone on the chopping block. 

 

I agree with everything you say, and I'd even add that I love it when they use him to blitz, he is FAST to the QB.

[Douzer]

To me, TJ Green is on schedule.

 

The moment "project" is added to a players description, an extra year is added to their development curve.

 

Swoope for example spent 2 years in development on the P.S.. 3rd year, he makes a positive impression. We didn't see all of his development bumbles and stumbles, we saw the more polished, ready-to-compete version.

 

Then you have a guy like TJ Green, who's also a "project" player, but because of his draft position and lack of depth at his playing position, gets his number called early, putting all his learning curve bumbles and stumbles on full public display. He has quality measurables, and if he put in the work, and took the coaching, he could show up very well in his 3rd year.

 

To me, this is the year that determines if the "project" was a success.

[krunk]

I can't get too excited.   Having him stand back and play zone may be even worse than man coverage because he has no instincts.   The mental part of his game has to come a long way before the physical attributes can really stand out.

[jimmy g]

The only thing I have against the TJ Green Project is- we could've taken  Offensive Linemen that could play with that pick...

[SolidGold]

He has the awareness of a peanut. He literally should get a whistle and ref the games. He just runs around working on his cardio.

[jshipp23]

27 minutes ago, jimmy g said:

The only thing I have against the TJ Green Project is- we could've taken  Offensive Linemen that could play with that pick...

We also have the LeRaven Clark project from same draft..maybe future thread..

[jshipp23]

24 minutes ago, SolidGold said:

He has the awareness of a peanut. He literally should get a whistle and ref the games. He just runs around working on his cardio.

You don't necessarily need great awareness if coaches give you 1 job..He can be a specialist and a good 1...

[SolidGold]

3 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

You don't necessarily need great awareness if coaches give you 1 job..He can be a specialist and a good 1...

A Kicker

[theanarchist]

17 hours ago, jshipp23 said:

He was drafted knowing he was a raw project, I've seen plenty of glimpses of what is possible when he puts it together...He is the perfect type player to play the Chancellor role in this defense ...Just wait..You don't give up on high picks after 2 years, same with LeRaven Clark..Some guys take longer to develop..

You are dreaming. I have no idea what Grigson was smoking when he drafted this guy in the 2nd round. I was one of the ones who immediately said that there is no way he should have been drafted even close to that high. His tape was mostly bad and apparently Grigson thinks because a guy runs 4.4 he's automatically a great CB, probably the toughest position for a guy to be in besides QB.

[theanarchist]

4 hours ago, krunk said:

I can't get too excited.   Having him stand back and play zone may be even worse than man coverage because he has no instincts.   The mental part of his game has to come a long way before the physical attributes can really stand out.

Yes, he stands out on the field. He stands out because you can obviously tell he is lost.

[Dark Superman]

If Eberlus work with TJ and put him in situations on the field that are suited for Green, man could you imagine having Hooker, Geathers, and Green are on the field at the same time.

[Dark Superman]

TJ is still only 22 years old and still has a chance to be groomed into a very good player for us. But the clock is ticking in Indianapolis and if he doesn't show significant improvement this upcoming season then you would have to think Ballard will be moving on from him. He showed some promise in blitz packages last year and his measurables can't be taught. If Eberlus can get him on the field and possibly have him matching up against opposing TE's and possibly blitzing on occasion man we may end up having a gem on our hands.

[neug3246]

3 hours ago, theanarchist said:

You are dreaming. I have no idea what Grigson was smoking when he drafted this guy in the 2nd round. I was one of the ones who immediately said that there is no way he should have been drafted even close to that high. His tape was mostly bad and apparently Grigson thinks because a guy runs 4.4 he's automatically a great CB, probably the toughest position for a guy to be in besides QB.

That's the thing I think Grigson liked speed a little to much when it came to certain positions bc obviously linebacker wasn't one of those positions. But at Safety's or WR he was like speed I see speed throw away the tape did you see that speed!

[TheRustonRifle#7]

12 hours ago, Douzer said:

To me, TJ Green is on schedule.

 

The moment "project" is added to a players description, an extra year is added to their development curve.

 

Swoope for example spent 2 years in development on the P.S.. 3rd year, he makes a positive impression. We didn't see all of his development bumbles and stumbles, we saw the more polished, ready-to-compete version.

 

Then you have a guy like TJ Green, who's also a "project" player, but because of his draft position and lack of depth at his playing position, gets his number called early, putting all his learning curve bumbles and stumbles on full public display. He has quality measurables, and if he put in the work, and took the coaching, he could show up very well in his 3rd year.

 

To me, this is the year that determines if the "project" was a success.

Well stated!

[DaColts85]

TJ Green to me will have this year to try and make an impact and based on depth might make the roster for ST's only.  He is a fast gunner for kickoff's and punt coverage.  The curious thing about him is I do think that our new scheme would fit his abilities better because as a Man corner he cannot stay with a WR that well and he has zero abilities to track the ball.  Once he looks up he is lost and the WR is open.  Put him in a safety role as a box safety though and he might be able to develop into your extra run defender and RB/TE coverage guy.  The only issue is many RB's and TE's are very athletic these days making his attributes obsolete.  His coverage skills get exposed to easily.  I see him and Clark being cut this year personally.  CB and staff will make another 15+ player rotation of new faces on the roster and these two are guys I see being caught in the cuts.

[Valpo2004]

I think he will get a chance in camp but he is on the bubble.  Far from a lock to make the team.

[aaron11]

doesnt seem like a great fit as a cover 2 safety.

 

id like him best closer to the los, maybe as a cover 3 ss

[aaron11]

2 hours ago, DaColts85 said:

TJ Green to me will have this year to try and make an impact and based on depth might make the roster for ST's only.  He is a fast gunner for kickoff's and punt coverage.  The curious thing about him is I do think that our new scheme would fit his abilities better because as a Man corner he cannot stay with a WR that well and he has zero abilities to track the ball.  Once he looks up he is lost and the WR is open.  Put him in a safety role as a box safety though and he might be able to develop into your extra run defender and RB/TE coverage guy.  The only issue is many RB's and TE's are very athletic these days making his attributes obsolete.  His coverage skills get exposed to easily.  I see him and Clark being cut this year personally.  CB and staff will make another 15+ player rotation of new faces on the roster and these two are guys I see being caught in the cuts.

he has mostly played safety for us.  he got his playing time last year filling in for hooker after he went down.

[DaColts85]

5 hours ago, aaron11 said:

he has mostly played safety for us.  he got his playing time last year filling in for hooker after he went down.

He started the season at CB. 

[jshipp23]

On 3/2/2018 at 8:14 PM, Douzer said:

To me, TJ Green is on schedule.

 

The moment "project" is added to a players description, an extra year is added to their development curve.

 

Swoope for example spent 2 years in development on the P.S.. 3rd year, he makes a positive impression. We didn't see all of his development bumbles and stumbles, we saw the more polished, ready-to-compete version.

 

Then you have a guy like TJ Green, who's also a "project" player, but because of his draft position and lack of depth at his playing position, gets his number called early, putting all his learning curve bumbles and stumbles on full public display. He has quality measurables, and if he put in the work, and took the coaching, he could show up very well in his 3rd year.

 

To me, this is the year that determines if the "project" was a success.

You put it in better words than me douzer..Good post

[NDcolt]

I really do hope TJ becomes a steal of the draft but after two seasons of evaluation I say his draft analysis is on point.  No FB IQ = Not For Long, beginning of the end!

[Freenyfan102]

He is a better Cover guy then man to man

[Defjamz26]

Let’s take a guy who can’t tackle anyone besides his teammates and stick him at a position that requires him to make a lot of tackles. Smh

 

I like how he keeps failing at positions and gets moved to another position where people say is his best position. First he fails at safety and then gets moved to CB. Then he fails at CB and now LB is his best position? He’s big and fast but can’t play. 

[coltsfeva]

   Interesting draft synopsis: pretty much lines up with what we’ve seen. 

 

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/t.j.-green?id=2555537

 

     My question is, what weaknesses can be corrected? Can he develop better tackling technique? Can he be asked to do less, I.e. special teams gunner, kick returner, blitzing safety, covering TEs ? Can “instinct” be developed through experience?

  Maybe, maybe not. I would think the new coaching staff would address these questions and make a decision one way or another. Kudos to them, if they can make a football player out of him.

[Crunked]

He was drafted based on his speed, and just needed to "develop" into a NFL DB.....well we just cleaned house on a coaching staff that was accused of not being able to develop a polaroid....If green is going to be anything lets see what the Kodak crew can do with him....I dont' think you can simplify it any more than what the Pagano regime just ran him through...."cat defense, you take that cat I'll take this cat"  so we will see if he sticks on the 53 at all......

[colt18]

On 3/2/2018 at 9:02 AM, ColtsBlitz said:

Your coming at this at the wrong angle... like most of TJ Greens coverage and tackle attempts. 

lmaooooo

[Mr.NotSoCreative]

On 3/2/2018 at 11:47 AM, jshipp23 said:

I would use him more as a hybrid safety/linebacker joker move him around use him on blitzes a lot..

Agree with this. It would take more of a 4-2-5 alignment but he could be very well suited for a rover type position. Is his tackling good enough though? 

[Dark Superman]

In Madden, I'm rolling with Hooker and Green as my starting safety duo.

[aaron11]

On 3/3/2018 at 5:29 PM, DaColts85 said:

He started the season at CB. 

you are right about that, but i dont think it lasted more than a couple of games.  i cant find the exact snap counts by position, but i did find a link that says he lost that  he job to wilson in week two. then his next listed action was against jacksonville, which was the game hooker went down

 

https://www.rotowire.com/football/player.htm?id=11045

 

personally i think if they want to try him at corner, then it should be at the nickel back spot.  he could blitz and play the run from there, and slot corners are not asked to cover deep with no help very often 

[DaColts85]

1 hour ago, aaron11 said:

you are right about that, but i dont think it lasted more than a couple of games.  i cant find the exact snap counts by position, but i did find a link that says he lost that  he job to wilson in week two. then his next listed action was against jacksonville, which was the game hooker went down

 

https://www.rotowire.com/football/player.htm?id=11045

 

personally i think if they want to try him at corner, then it should be at the nickel back spot.  he could blitz and play the run from there, and slot corners are not asked to cover deep with no help very often 

The point was he did play CB because he was terrible at safety.  He was also bad at CB.  He thne went back to depth for safety and played ST.  He would be someone that can stay as depth and ST's but only if the new coaching staff sees him as a positive.  You could bring in a cheap FA to take his spot if they hold more value.  His value right now, imo, is next to nothing.  I also have yet to see him in a zone 4-3 scheme though.

 

The nickel spot would be bad.  He is bad at coverage so a small quick WR would make him look stupid.  Hairston is set right there for now.

[reidaj1812]

On ‎3‎/‎2‎/‎2018 at 10:41 AM, shastamasta said:

Green has always been an athlete who happens to play football...not a football player who is athletic. He was recruited as such...and and his athleticism has gotten him pretty far...especially considering he has never been a good football player. 

 

But he can't track the ball, gets lost in coverage and is reckless when tackles. I have yet to see any of the football traits that you would want in a DB...other than make-up speed and the ability to run down a ball carrier. 

 

So I could see him sticking around for STs...but I don't think he's part of the plan on defense. And he shouldn't prevent them from looking at Ss this offseason.

maybe they should try him at wr. couldn't hurt to have a look see

[southwest1]

On March 2, 2018 at 11:59 AM, jskinnz said:

 

I don't think he makes it out of training camp.

 

The athleticism is there to try and make something work but I don't see instincts to play the game.  I think they try to see if they can develop him in OTA, mini-camp and training camp before the ultimately decide that he just can't play.

 

I like regulars who are this direct. You're gonna give TJ a shot to prove his worth, but aren't expecting to be blown away or make the final roster. I have no dog in this race: Green's survival I mean. But, if JS23 thinks better coaching will drastically improve his playing & reaction time...I gotta take that under advisement for now & see how it all shakes out in the wash. LB could work. 

[Str8himalaya]

No doubt the guy maybe the most physically gifted player we have on the team. Look at a Derwin James...TJ Green is the same size and more athletic. The big difference is TJ doesn't have much football IQ that we've seen. I'm a big believer in developing elite athletes if they are coachable (look at the Jimmy Grahams of the world). If TJ really wants it, he's going to have a fresh start this off season to prove he belongs. If he doesn't, he won't make it out of camp IMO. Kid can definitely fly and he has some impressive measurables, but he has to put it together this year. I think he could be a dog on defense (see ball, go get ball). However, he's going to have to clean up a lot in his game to make that work as well (pursuit angles, hitting the RIGHT team, etc). I hope he can make the jump, he was raw coming out and was given some unfair expectations by most people because he was thrown to the fire. I don't think he's nearly as bad as some people act like here, but he is definitely a player that needs big improvement to make at least SOME area a strength in his game (not just his athleticism). IF (big IF) he can put it together, he is the type of athlete that all teams look for. Here's to hoping he does big things this off season and listens to a new voice!

[DaColts85]

On 3/5/2018 at 8:40 PM, reidaj1812 said:

maybe they should try him at wr. couldn't hurt to have a look see

He couldn't hack it in college, which is why he was moved to D and Safety in the first place.  The NFL is harder than college so I see this as another fail.