Eberflus hired as Bears new HC *UPDATED*

[CR91]

5 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

 

Yup. I wouldn't have dropped the Jets/Jags names lol, but you're not far off.

 

The O has basically ridden our OL the last 3 years. As it should given the $ and draft capital we spent. Still underperformed as a whole, and pretty much a waste of the OL spend... 

 

Our D, especially this year, rode turnovers. Mediocre in every other specific area. Take away Leonard, and the D would have been eye-poppingly atrocious. 

 

And we've done all that mediocrely vs schedules ranked 28th, 30th, 28th, and 28th... the last 4 years... 

 

Don't mind the fluff'n and gush'n by others.... Some want to pretend our schedule has been tough, and we've overachieved and defied the odds lol... 

 

 

 

 

 

I was just making a point we're not the Chiefs or other top teams for teams to take our coaches. What has this team accomplished to lose coaches?

[NewColtsFan]

33 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

We've won one playoff game and zero division crowns since 2015. I'm not exactly off base

You were here during the Grigson years.  
 

You’re here during the Ballard years.    You don’t see any improvement?   
 

You sound like the posters here who in 2018 were stunned to see that almost all of Pagano’s 2017 assistants ended up with good jobs on good teams.   They assumed that a 4-12 team had bad coaches.  They were completely wrong.  
 

You're over-reacting to the last two games of the regular season.   You never would’ve said this had we won and made the playoffs.  Plus, you’re ignoring the success Sirianni had in Philly.   That’s noticed by others, but not many here. 
 

Despite the views of some here, Ballard is highly regarded in NFL circles.  So is Dodd.  So is Morocco Brown.   And you should know this.   
 

You’re a good poster and a smart guy.  But you made that post without giving it much thought.  Frankly it’s completely beneath you.  I can think of a dozen other posters who would make your post.   You’re much much better than all of them. 
 

We all have a bad post from time to time.  Me, very much included.  This one is yours.  Sorry. 

[EastStreet]

20 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

I was just making a point we're not the Chiefs or other top teams for teams to take our coaches. What has this team accomplished to lose coaches?

I agree 100%... 

 

Only time will tell with Sirianni, but he's got a top 5 OL, and some nice skill players.

 

Same with Flus. It will interesting to see what his D looks like when he's got full control. But most of the Bears fans I've talked to are very meh on the hire. 

[CR91]

30 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

You were here during the Grigson years.  
 

You’re here during the Ballard years.    You don’t see any improvement?   
 

You sound like the posters here who in 2018 were stunned to see that almost all of Pagano’s 2017 assistants ended up with good jobs on good teams.   They assumed that a 4-12 team had bad coaches.  They were completely wrong.  
 

You're over-reacting to the last two games of the regular season.   You never would’ve said this had we won and made the playoffs.  Plus, you’re ignoring the success Sirianni had in Philly.   That’s noticed by others, but not many here. 
 

Despite the views of some here, Ballard is highly regarded in NFL circles.  So is Dodd.  So is Morocco Brown.   And you should know this.   
 

You’re a good poster and a smart guy.  But you made that post without giving it much thought.  Frankly it’s completely beneath you.  I can think of a dozen other posters who would make your post.   You’re much much better than all of them. 
 

We all have a bad post from time to time.  Me, very much included.  This one is yours.  Sorry. 

 

Yes I see the improvement in their approaches and yes Luck covered up a lot of the weaknesses the colts had during the Grigson era, however the expectation this team has year in and year out have fallen short and frustration is starting to show from Irsay clearly. You can't keep claiming your contending when that couldn't be farther from the truth. I'm just tired of what imo has been mediocrity.

[superrep1967]

What about Wade Phillips would anybody be into it? 

[Frenchy789]

On 1/24/2022 at 10:58 PM, ChuggaBeer said:

Yes I do.    The Bills run the same defense as the Colts but they have some better secondary players.     Although perhaps we would have been able to keep behind them. little more.  But stopping Kelce would not have been good for the Colts who struggle with TE's all the time it seems like.   JMO. 

Those double 8-point drives against the Ravens with Mark Andrews + Lamar still gives me nightmares.. That game was a defining game for me.. Hot Rod and special teams flamed out at the worst possible time and our D showed that we can collapse just as hard as the Falcons or the Chargers. 

[Nickster]

1 hour ago, Frenchy789 said:

Those double 8-point drives against the Ravens with Mark Andrews + Lamar still gives me nightmares.. That game was a defining game for me.. Hot Rod and special teams flamed out at the worst possible time and our D showed that we can collapse just as hard as the Falcons or the Chargers. 

We have weak coverage at safety and LB.  Tight ends are going to continue to gash us.

 

the more I think about it, I think a FS is what we really need on D.  The CBs are OK.

[CoachLite]

14 hours ago, Nickster said:

WE suck at blitzing.  That's a reality that a  lot of people ain't facing.  WE DON'T Have the personnel to do it effecitively.

Or, we don't know how to effectively blitz.

[MikeCurtis]

1 hour ago, Nickster said:

We have weak coverage at safety and LB.  Tight ends are going to continue to gash us.

 

the more I think about it, I think a FS is what we really need on D.  The CBs are OK.

 

Agreed

 

We have no FS on this roster.....

 

We have two SS 

 

We need to keep adding CBs. Just enough is never enough

 

[Colt.45]

9 hours ago, EastStreet said:

Most speculation I've seen is that Flores wasn't 100% sold on Tua, and that irked Grier (GM) and to an extent Ross (owner). I also seem to recall (could be wrong) that Flores wasn't overly happy on them drafting Tua in the first place.

 

Keep in mind that Flores spent years as a scout. So not a stretch to think he wanted a major voice in the draft. And Grier also has a scouting background, so not out of the realm of possibility that they simply wanted different toys for Christmas.

 

 

I think Reich absolutely had the ability to impact the D, if he wanted too. Especially simple things like blitz %. Personally I think Reich is conservative on O (except for the card reading on 4th down), so nothing really pushes me to think he'd want to be more aggressive on D.

Forgot about Flores' scouting background. I can see why the Tea thing could have ruffled his feathers. It all depends on what the GM and owner told him his role would be when it came to drafting. Anytime a relationship degenerates to where it's public like theirs got, there's usually blame to go around each involved party just as we saw with Grigson/Pagano/Irsay.

 

I don't think Reich is conservative at all. I think when he's had the talent who can allow him play more expansively, he's been more than willing to go for it.

Now, if you mean conservative in terms of not wanting to annihilate an opponent like a Belichick would when up 40 then yes, i can see that. However in terms of playcalling, i think he generally works with what he's got. 

[Colt.45]

6 hours ago, CR91 said:

 

Yes I see the improvement in their approaches and yes Luck covered up a lot of the weaknesses the colts had during the Grigson era, however the expectation this team has year in and year out have fallen short and frustration is starting to show from Irsay clearly. You can't keep claiming your contending when that couldn't be farther from the truth. I'm just tired of what imo has been mediocrity.

What brings success in this league? Ask yourself that, and for most of this staffs time, have they had that or those things that typically guarantee success?

 

You're missing the central premise. You're looking at end results and not process.

 

We've not made the playoffs, the Titans have won the AFCS and pretty much made it their own, the Jags have gone to the AFC championship with Bortles, the Texans have won multiple AFCS crowns, Ballard's Colts have done.......squat. All true.

 

However, none of that means the Colts don't have coaches and front office staff who're excellent at their jobs. Flus just got hired. Listen to me on the WHY. The Colts defense improved astronomically under him. When Pagano left, the Colts defense was in TATTERS. Flus had to come into a job, change schemes which means handling personnel not suited to his scheme for the first few years, and still improve the unit, no excuses....and he did it.

You see the mistakes in each game, the folks doing the hiring see the IDEA, the bigger picture. They see the process. They see and can project what he'd do given the talent they think they can give him.

THAT is the difference. That is an example of why our guys get taken.

 

It's just like drafting a QB, most times, a Manning/Luck doesnt exist in the draft but does that a QB-needy team isn't going to draft a Mahomes or Allen or or Herbert some high upside guy who has flaws or limitations or whose team wasnt Alabama? Of course not. You have to think of it differently.

[throwing BBZ]

 

  Ebeflus is going to start with a much better 4 man rush, he will be thankful for that.

 

  Autry and Houston had solid sack numbers but didn't have good overall pressures to go with them. This with All-Pro Buckner getting it done in the QB's face. Buck created some of their sacks by moving the QB off his spot.

 Again this season, we had marginal players get a few sacks but have low pressure numbers.

 Kwity has nice power, straight ahead speed, but i don't see the bend and switchy athleticism that gets a guy consistently, quickly around to create a high pressure/sack presence.

 And i wouldn't expect that from a bigger DAYO, a guy pegged and drafted to be a combo DT rush specialist. 

 I'm feeling another uh oh, for having a fierce 4 man rush. This along with Grove not being a combo DT, that is to being able to create enough rush havoc to free up his DE counterpart.

 Our NEW DC and Ballard have to come up with a better plan. 

[ChuggaBeer]

5 hours ago, Frenchy789 said:

Those double 8-point drives against the Ravens with Mark Andrews + Lamar still gives me nightmares.. That game was a defining game for me.. Hot Rod and special teams flamed out at the worst possible time and our D showed that we can collapse just as hard as the Falcons or the Chargers. 

We had a lot of injuries during that Ravens game to the secondary.  They were dropping like flies.  

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

 

[CR91]

3 hours ago, Colt.45 said:

What brings success in this league? Ask yourself that, and for most of this staffs time, have they had that or those things that typically guarantee success?

 

You're missing the central premise. You're looking at end results and not process.

 

We've not made the playoffs, the Titans have won the AFCS and pretty much made it their own, the Jags have gone to the AFC championship with Bortles, the Texans have won multiple AFCS crowns, Ballard's Colts have done.......squat. All true.

 

However, none of that means the Colts don't have coaches and front office staff who're excellent at their jobs. Flus just got hired. Listen to me on the WHY. The Colts defense improved astronomically under him. When Pagano left, the Colts defense was in TATTERS. Flus had to come into a job, change schemes which means handling personnel not suited to his scheme for the first few years, and still improve the unit, no excuses....and he did it.

You see the mistakes in each game, the folks doing the hiring see the IDEA, the bigger picture. They see the process. They see and can project what he'd do given the talent they think they can give him.

THAT is the difference. That is an example of why our guys get taken.

 

It's just like drafting a QB, most times, a Manning/Luck doesnt exist in the draft but does that a QB-needy team isn't going to draft a Mahomes or Allen or or Herbert some high upside guy who has flaws or limitations or whose team wasnt Alabama? Of course not. You have to think of it differently.

 

Again you're missing my point. I'm not saying these coaches are bad. I'm saying teams normally pillage from top tier teams which we haven't been. Teams want coaches from successful franchises who continue to win year after year and make deep playoff runs. Look at all the times the Patriots have been pillaged. All I'm saying is the colts are not successful enough to be losing coaches when we have only one playoff win and zero division crowns since 2015.

[Indyfan4life]

18 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

Again you're missing my point. I'm not saying these coaches are bad. I'm saying teams normally pillage from top tier teams which we haven't been. Teams want coaches from successful franchises who continue to win year after year and make deep playoff runs. Look at all the times the Patriots have been pillaged. All I'm saying is the colts are not successful enough to be losing coaches when we have only one playoff win and zero division crowns since 2015.

Obviously the rest of the league thinks differently.

[Archer]

That Reich coaching tree is expanding like crazy!

[Colt.45]

46 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

Again you're missing my point. I'm not saying these coaches are bad. I'm saying teams normally pillage from top tier teams which we haven't been. Teams want coaches from successful franchises who continue to win year after year and make deep playoff runs. Look at all the times the Patriots have been pillaged. All I'm saying is the colts are not successful enough to be losing coaches when we have only one playoff win and zero division crowns since 2015.

 

 

I got verbose. I'll keep it short this time.

 

I understand your point. I'm saying that having a winning team doesnt necessarily correlate with having the best coaches. Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, Matt LeFleur were all together in the Washington staff. Same time. How much did that team win? How many playoff appearances?

 

Okay, how much winning has Belichick's cohorts done when they've left?

 

My point is good coaching doesnt necessarily correlate with winning big in this league. Does coaching help? Hell yeah, will you win because of it? You'll win if you have a great QB. That's my point.

 

It's about more than coaching. The winning teams in the league now might have good players and maybe even good coaches but the league understands and sees that Indy has a culture of brining in the BEST (not just good) minds at each position. That counts. The fact that they've not won as a team doesnt mean they're not great coaches or the best at what they do. Does that make sense?

 

*another quick example. Is QB winZ a thing? Joe Flacco won a SB, does that make him a better QB than say Andrew Luck? Is Dilfer better than Herbert? And that's the most important position in the sport, yet we know that winning is about more than that guy STILL does it mean QB A > QB B because wins? Of course not. Same with coaches. There're more factors to consider.

 

[CS Coltsfan]

On 1/18/2022 at 5:29 PM, Hawkeyecolt said:

The problems aren’t Flus.  People act like he sits in Cover-2 every play and telegraphs to the offense what the Colts are doing.  There are different zones they play throughout the games. Toward the end of the season he was playing more man coverages.  
 

First and foremost it doesn’t matter what coverage you play without a pass rush. Why was Kenny Moore getting roasted toward the end of the season?  Good luck covering guys in the slot on an island in man coverage without a pass rush. Also, unlike the Colts QB the good ones can read coverages if there isn’t a lot of pressure and quite frankly most are better than Wentz reading pre-snap so they get the ball out quickly. Easy pickings without pressure. 
 

Thus, people’s frustrations should be with either personnel or the position coach or both. Flus is highly regarded around the league for a reason. 

is still comes down to he was the DC and he was in charge... we were only in the middle of the defenses... we have not had a pash rush since he was here and our cover 2 let all the teams walk down the filed on us... I look forward to a new DC that gives a pass rush and tighten up our coverage

[CR91]

28 minutes ago, Colt.45 said:

 

 

I got verbose. I'll keep it short this time.

 

I understand your point. I'm saying that having a winning team doesnt necessarily correlate with having the best coaches. Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, Matt LeFleur were all together in the Washington staff. Same time. How much did that team win? How many playoff appearances?

 

Okay, how much winning has Belichick's cohorts done when they've left?

 

My point is good coaching doesnt necessarily correlate with winning big in this league. Does coaching help? Hell yeah, will you win because of it? You'll win if you have a great QB. That's my point.

 

It's about more than coaching. The winning teams in the league now might have good players and maybe even good coaches but the league understands and sees that Indy has a culture of brining in the BEST (not just good) minds at each position. That counts. The fact that they've not won as a team doesnt mean they're not great coaches or the best at what they do. Does that make sense?

 

*another quick example. Is QB winZ a thing? Joe Flacco won a SB, does that make him a better QB than say Andrew Luck? Is Dilfer better than Herbert? And that's the most important position in the sport, yet we know that winning is about more than that guy STILL does it mean QB A > QB B because wins? Of course not. Same with coaches. There're more factors to consider.

 

 

Mcvay is a one in a million hire and Kyle Shanahan made Matt Ryan an MVP. While Lefleur made Ryan Tannerhill look like a pro bowler. Those are not run in the mill coaches who never had success.

 

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree

[Superman]

1 hour ago, CR91 said:

 

Again you're missing my point. I'm not saying these coaches are bad. I'm saying teams normally pillage from top tier teams which we haven't been. Teams want coaches from successful franchises who continue to win year after year and make deep playoff runs. Look at all the times the Patriots have been pillaged. All I'm saying is the colts are not successful enough to be losing coaches when we have only one playoff win and zero division crowns since 2015.

 

I think if you spent some time looking at coaching hires over the last five years, you'd see that NFL teams hire coaches from teams with good records, bad records, they hire college position coaches, they hire failed college coaches (Kingsbury), etc. The more buzzy names are the guys from really good teams, but there's no real pattern established that suggests teams only hire coaches from really good teams.

[CR91]

8 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

I think if you spent some time looking at coaching hires over the last five years, you'd see that NFL teams hire coaches from teams with good records, bad records, they hire college position coaches, they hire failed college coaches (Kingsbury), etc. The more buzzy names are the guys from really good teams, but there's no real pattern established that suggests teams only hire coaches from really good teams.

 

Urban Meyer was solely reputation. He would not have got a job as a Head Coach without his success in College. Obviously their are other factors in the hiring process, but you can't argue when a coach shows you results of their team's success. It's their biggest selling pitch.

[Superman]

1 minute ago, CR91 said:

 

Urban Meyer was solely reputation. He would not have got a job as a Head Coach without his success in College. Obviously their are other factors in the hiring process, but you can't argue when a coach shows you results of their team's success. It's their biggest selling pitch.

 

Not arguing any of that. Simply stating that teams don't only hire coaches from really good teams. 

[CR91]

3 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

Not arguing any of that. Simply stating that teams don't only hire coaches from really good teams. 

 

You get your outliers like Sean Mcvay, but honestly if we were to have a statistic of coaching hires, I would see it moving more towards team success then anything else. That's just my opinion.

[OffensivelyPC]

Kris Richard, Alan Williams and Mike Zimmer would be my short list.  I'm leaning towards Richard though.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

This would suck.

 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Losing LB and DB coach hurts really bad.

 

 

[Fisticuffs111]

5 minutes ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

Losing LB and DB coach hurts really bad.

 

 

Yeah, this was part of my reasoning for not wanting Flus gone (or getting the HC job).

 

I’m fine with getting a new DC, but it stinks having a bunch of our coaches being poached by Eagles/Bears.

[DougDew]

How many defensive position coaches does that leave?

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Darius Butler is campaigning for a position on the colts. He might make a good DB coach:

 

 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

 

[Zoltan]

10 minutes ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

Losing LB and DB coach hurts really bad.

 

 

Well we better bring in a DC who can bring some good position coaches with him. 

[Fisticuffs111]

I guess it’d be fine if Butler got some sort of asst gig, but I wouldn’t even consider him for DC…probably not even DB’s.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Colts have a lot of work to do with coaches and players before FA hits.

Just now, Fisticuffs111 said:

I guess it’d fine giving him some sort of asst gig, but I wouldn’t even consider him for DC…probably not even DB’s.

He mentioned a couple positions he would like in that video. 

[Fisticuffs111]

3 minutes ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

Colts have a lot of work to do with coaches and players before FA hits.

He mentioned a couple positions he would like in that video. 

Yeah, it’d have to be something along the lines of Kevin Mawae’s job, our asst OL coach. 

[Fisticuffs111]

Our coaching staff has been pretty much overhauled. Not even sure who’s been with us since Reich was hired. Williams and Frazier are pretty much it, I think?

 

Oh and Bubba.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

As long as they hire good coaches we will be fine. We wanted a defensive change and we are getting it lol. Losing Rowe really hurts. LB coach hurts too but I think Leonard is enough of a vet what was instilled in him with Eberflus will stick. 
 

Darius even wearing his interview suit lol.
 

 

[Jackie Daytona]

10 hours ago, Nickster said:

We have weak coverage at safety and LB.  Tight ends are going to continue to gash us.

 

the more I think about it, I think a FS is what we really need on D.  The CBs are OK.

We absolutely do not have guys who lack in coverage ability in the LB corps.  We have one of the most capable lbers in the league when covering TE and RB..... The D scheme was intended to surrender the passes in the short to mid game to the TE and RB in the middle of the field.... 

[Jackie Daytona]

1 hour ago, OffensivelyPC said:

Kris Richard, Alan Williams and Mike Zimmer would be my short list.  I'm leaning towards Richard though.

Please tell me it isn't going to be Williams getting promoted.... This is my biggest fear.... If it was gonna be him, he would need to keep most of the Assistants on staff, I doubt he draws a ton of interest as a DC when bringing in outside position coaches... A guy like Richards or Schwartz, however brings enough experience, and credibility combined with the networking, to bring in guys as position coaches who have a chance to be upgrades.... Williams would be a very milquetoast, tread water hire....barely moving the needle.

[Jason_]

30 minutes ago, TaylorTheStudMuffin said:

Losing LB and DB coach hurts really bad.

 

 

 

I'm actually not the least bit worried about losing those 2.  Odds are a new DC would want to hire his own guys anyway