Looking ahead to the Pats (merge)

[chad72]

18 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Also, troy brown at corner and Vrabel at tight end

 

I don't know of many coaches that everything that Belichick does though some of it, I have seen implemented.

 

I mean, there are teams that let OL and DL catch TD passes. Peyton did it with Klecko, and Frank recently did it with Pinter. Steelers did it with Antwan Randle El in the SB for a WR pass but then, if you draft a college QB prospect as a WR, that play is always in your playbook and is used only as an element of surprise. Same thing with Trey Burton passing to Nick Foles with Frank as OC for the Philly special. So, Frank has been involved in enough of these having seen lots of football. Joseph Addai, who played QB in high school threw a TD pass to Reggie Wayne vs the Singletary coached 49ers. Our own Joe Reitz was a former TE, put on weight to become an OL.

 

We used a former safety Cato June at OLB, and players whose height/weight in college translate to a different position in the NFL, do we consider them versatile or is it a case of finding the proper role? Seems like a bit of both. The question is, how quickly do they adapt to their new role and how well will they do? 

 

Winning 6 SBs embellishes every small thing Belichick does, while ignoring similar moves taken by other coaches over the same period of time, IMO. 

[throwing BBZ]

On 12/8/2021 at 11:55 AM, DougDew said:

I didn't mean to say that we have a roster of just specialists.  We rely more on specialists and have more of them than NE,  I'd wager.

 

Granson is not a blocking/receiving TE like Gronk or even Doyle.  At 6'1" 245, he was never even thought of as a blocker.  He's not a slot receiver, nor capable of playing on the outside.  He's a between the hash marks receiver, 95% of the time.  That's it.

 

Hines is not a RB.  He's a APB.  He's useless in short yardage.  He's a specialist.  

 

Apparently, Mack can't catch a pass.   JT does what Mack does and can do what Hines can do, and can do more than both.  JT is not a specialist.  He's a real RB.

 

Rotational pass rushers are just that.  Pass rushers.  Its not intended for them to set the edge.  Dayo and Paye are not specialists, they are real DEs, they both set the edge in the running game and rush the passer.

 

Granson, Hines, Ben, Turay.  Those are 4 players drafted between rounds 2 and 4 who are and were intended to be nothing more than specialists.  Inserted onto the field for given personnel packages and play calls.  Count Mack as a player who is a handoff specialist.

 

I'd bet that NE has fewer of those players, and have more players who are simply better all-around players.  Not to mention more physical but less speedy, as a roster.

 

 

 Nice post But, Granson has already proven to our staff that he IS A BLOCKER, and Hines is pretty useless in short yardage 3rd down Run situations but he is an effective runner otherwise. He actually ran well inside last season.

 And i have zero doubt that Turay and Banogu were drafted to be capable full time starters.

[IinD]

1 hour ago, chad72 said:

Winning 6 SBs embellishes every small thing Belichick does, while ignoring similar moves taken by other coaches over the same period of time, IMO.

I think he gets all the accolades because he just always has a plan no matter the situation. Other teams run some cute stuff but I'd bet he has plays drawn up for his punter to be QB just in case 5 guys get hurt at QB.. Lol

[DougDew]

19 hours ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

 Nice post But, Granson has already proven to our staff that he IS A BLOCKER, and Hines is pretty useless in short yardage 3rd down Run situations but he is an effective runner otherwise. He actually ran well inside last season.

 And i have zero doubt that Turay and Banogu were drafted to be capable full time starters.

If Granson turns out to be as good of a blocker as Doyle or MAC, it would be a surprise to just about everyone, probably even Ballard.  Doyle and MAC have similar roles as a Gronk (just not as elite)  Granson is a different player/role.

 

Hines is not useless, my bad for using that word, but he is not what you would call a short yardage RB.  Hines is used that way because its Franks only alternative to JT, whom he can't give the ball to on every running play. 

 

 I think Turay and Ben were though of as situational/rotational players more than 3 down swiss army knife type of do it alls.  OTOH, Buckner, Paye and Dayo will probably not leave the field unless gassed, it won't be because of an intended situation. 

 

Stats might not back me up, but I've always had the sense that BB uses fewer of those players and more do-it-all types.  He switches out RBs, and obviously plays nickel and dime packages, though.

[Four2itus]

What you got? How do you see the game flowing? Not asking for predictions....we've always got those threads. More about what you think the game will feel like. Also, what do you think is noteworthy from other sites online as to what is being said about the game. Quote it here!

 

 

[Four2itus]

Here is a gem from the PatsFans message board...

 

"Taylor is nothing special. Just a typical running back with the ideal body frame and speed for the position. The offensive line is great."

 

Patriotsplanet.......

 

"Indianapolis sucks like Detroit, but enjoy the beat down the Pats give the paper tiger Colts."

[EastStreet]

On 12/9/2021 at 1:54 PM, IinD said:

I think he gets all the accolades because he just always has a plan no matter the situation. Other teams run some cute stuff but I'd bet he has plays drawn up for his punter to be QB just in case 5 guys get hurt at QB.. Lol

Agreed. But he also is just good at bringing in guys year in and year out, that play well for his system, and he tweaks the system as needed to set guys up for success.

 

His current O has almost all guys grading in the 70s. He just uses folks well. His D also. He's had musical chairs lately with DBs. Most thought they'd suffer big time when Gilmore left. But instead, they're all peaking now again.

 

Like the PFF tweet.. Top 3 in both O and D. Who would have thought that to begin the season?

[Four2itus]

I see a chess match between the two coaching staffs. TO's are a big deal in this game. If the Colts don't turn the ball over, I feel it's our game to lose. 

 

Wr's need to bully block. YAC will play big for both teams. 

[EastStreet]

1 hour ago, Four2itus said:

Here is a gem from the PatsFans message board...

 

"Taylor is nothing special. Just a typical running back with the ideal body frame and speed for the position. The offensive line is great."

 

Patriotsplanet.......

 

"Indianapolis sucks like Detroit, but enjoy the beat down the Pats give the paper tiger Colts."

I popped into one of the Pats boards (not registered, just read the first page of their Colts game thread. Most were pretty respectful of Taylor and our OL. Thought most posts suggested they needed to stop JT, and make Wentz beat them. They are not afraid of our D at all, but know we get turnovers. Didn't see a lot of hot takes, but I'm sure there's some. Always are.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

1 hour ago, Four2itus said:

Here is a gem from the PatsFans message board...

 

"Taylor is nothing special. Just a typical running back with the ideal body frame and speed for the position. The offensive line is great."

 

Patriotsplanet.......

 

"Indianapolis sucks like Detroit, but enjoy the beat down the Pats give the paper tiger Colts."

That is hillarious.

[compuls1v3]

On 12/7/2021 at 8:29 PM, CR91 said:

 

Your missing my point. Texans stalled our offense at times and their offense never made us pay for it. Patriots will not be the same case.

I know they can score.  My point was just because they stuff the run doesn’t mean you stop running altogether.  The Texans were selling out to stop the run, but we eventually broke through and made them pay.  We just need a balanced attack on offense, run included.  IMHO of course.

[CR91]

2 hours ago, compuls1v3 said:

I know they can score.  My point was just because they stuff the run doesn’t mean you stop running altogether.  The Texans were selling out to stop the run, but we eventually broke through and made them pay.  We just need a balanced attack on offense, run included.  IMHO of course.

 

I'm not saying abandon the run entirely. I'm just saying for Reich to have a counter attack when they try to take it away.

[compuls1v3]

2 hours ago, CR91 said:

 

I'm not saying abandon the run entirely. I'm just saying for Reich to have a counter attack when they try to take it away.

Agreed!

[jskinnz]

On 12/10/2021 at 8:40 PM, Four2itus said:

What you got? How do you see the game flowing? Not asking for predictions....we've always got those threads. More about what you think the game will feel like. Also, what do you think is noteworthy from other sites online as to what is being said about the game. Quote it here!

 

 

I think this will be the most anticipated game at LOS since the Dallas game in 2018. Has that kind of big game feel to it. 
 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

5 hours ago, compuls1v3 said:

I know they can score.  My point was just because they stuff the run doesn’t mean you stop running altogether.  The Texans were selling out to stop the run, but we eventually broke through and made them pay.  We just need a balanced attack on offense, run included.  IMHO of course.

Texans can’t score. Their  offense is horrible so we had time to just keep pounding it. Playing against Tampa with Brady snd those weapons you can’t continue to just keep wasting drives.  Before you know it we would of been down.

[Bert Johns]

The Patriots are a well coached team. The way you beet them is minimize mistakes and execution. Also Frank has to have the best coaching job of the year or else could be a disaster.

[2006Coltsbestever]

20 minutes ago, Bert Johns said:

The Patriots are a well coached team. The way you beet them is minimize mistakes and execution. Also Frank has to have the best coaching job of the year or else could be a disaster.

If we don't Turn it over we will win. We would've beat the Bucs and the Titans(2nd game), had we not turned it over. We have to have that one game where we don't and I hope it is next Saturday. We basically beat our selves at Baltimore with miss kicks and turnovers vs the Bucs and Titans.  

[jvan1973]

7 hours ago, Bert Johns said:

The Patriots are a well coached team. The way you beet them is minimize mistakes and execution. Also Frank has to have the best coaching job of the year or else could be a disaster.

Describe a great coaching job

[Dingus McGirt]

35 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

Describe a great coaching job

Lol.  Stay a step ahead of BB…

[jvan1973]

1 hour ago, Dingus McGirt said:

Lol.  Stay a step ahead of BB…

Good luck.    I think execution and taking what he is willing to give you is the route to success 

[GoColts8818]

On 12/10/2021 at 8:43 PM, Four2itus said:

Here is a gem from the PatsFans message board...

 

"Taylor is nothing special. Just a typical running back with the ideal body frame and speed for the position. The offensive line is great."

 

Patriotsplanet.......

 

"Indianapolis sucks like Detroit, but enjoy the beat down the Pats give the paper tiger Colts."

There are no bigger jerks in the world than pats fans.

[2006Coltsbestever]

4 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

There are no bigger jerks in the world than pats fans.

Come next week they are ours 

[Stephen]

Titans fans rooting for us for one week only

[boo2202]

IMO Hines and wentz using his legs to move the sticks will be the xfactor. Bill will stack the box vs Taylor and try to take Pittman out. Moving hines around will create mismatches. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

This isn't a circus we will are about to a beat down on these fools golds chumps.

[Dingus McGirt]

2 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

Good luck.    I think execution and taking what he is willing to give you is the route to success 

Yup…staying one step ahead of him.  

[2006Coltsbestever]

2 minutes ago, Dingus McGirt said:

Yup…staying one step ahead of him.  

Easy win

[Les Poulains]

Let's  be honest, we'll probably lose and in heartbreaking fashion, as we often do against good teams. If the Pats show they can win a shootout, they'll have shown they can win every type of game this season. They're a top Super Bowl contender in the AFC at the moment with the Chiefs. 

 

Mac Jones is also exactly the type of QB that has shredded us in the past. He'll complete the high percentage stuff underneath all game. We have to take that away plus the running game and force them to take shots, which they've been reluctant of doing. 

 

I'm not really sure how our offense matches up with their defense. Belichick usually slows down the best offenses with specific gameplans. He'll probably dare Wentz to beat him.  

[EastStreet]

36 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Come next week they are ours 

 

Hopefully we don't perish like Bak/Pai Mei.

Does BB know Crane style?

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

16 minutes ago, Les Poulains said:

Let's  be honest, we'll probably lose and in heartbreaking fashion, as we often do against good teams. If the Pats show they can win a shootout, they'll have shown they can win every type of game this season. They're a top Super Bowl contender in the AFC at the moment with the Chiefs. 

 

Mac Jones is also exactly the type of QB that has shredded us in the past. He'll complete the high percentage stuff underneath all game. We have to take that away plus the running game and force them to take shots, which they've been reluctant of doing. 

 

I'm not really sure how our offense matches up with their defense. Belichick usually slows down the best offenses with specific gameplans. He'll probably dare Wentz to beat him.  

Stop being scared of the pats. Pats haven’t been good at stopping the run.

[EastStreet]

35 minutes ago, Wentzszn said:

Stop being scared of the pats. Pats haven’t been good at stopping the run.

 

That's not exactly true. While their total run D is mid ranked as far a rushing YPG allowed, they are #1 in rushing TDs allowed (least), and haven't allowed a single RB all year to rush for over 100 yards IIRC. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

46 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

 

Hopefully we don't perish like Bak/Pai Mei.

Does BB know Crane style?

I prefer the Tiger style 

[EastStreet]

Just now, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I prefer the Tiger style 

Legend/history has it, that it took two, one using Crane, the other Tiger, to kill Bak Mei lol... 

 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

I want to blow out the pats so bad.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Colts have played very well in prime time this year. Reich has not lost coming out of a bye week.

[2006Coltsbestever]

7 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

Legend/history has it, that it took two, one using Crane, the other Tiger, to kill Bak Mei lol... 

 

Tiger with some sneaky kicks rules, have to be flexible too - nun chucks helps.

[craigerb]

On 12/6/2021 at 9:24 AM, throwing BBZ said:

 The difference in going 7-10 as to 3-10 can be very significant.
 

I wouldn't worry about 3-10.  We've already won 7 of 13.

[jvan1973]

28 minutes ago, EastStreet said:

 

That's not exactly true. While their total run D is mid ranked as far a rushing YPG allowed, they are #1 in rushing TDs allowed (least), and haven't allowed a single RB all year to rush for over 100 yards IIRC. 

Not a single back,   but they have given up over 100 to running backs in a few games this year.    I'm far from guaranteeing a win,   and I know you disagree.   But if BB stacks the box all day, throw short passes to Hines, Doyle, MAC and granson.   Obviously pound Taylor in short yardage.    I hope he doesn't try to force the run on 2nd and long.   Gotta mix it up. I'm not advocating Not running on first down with a loaded box,   but don't try to force it on 2nd and 9

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

It will be very upsetting if we let a rookie QB beat us.

[Les Poulains]

1 hour ago, Wentzszn said:

Stop being scared of the pats. Pats haven’t been good at stopping the run.

It's not scared, it's realism. If we get to the playoffs having won almost all our remaining games I think we'll be very dangerous. But in the regular season, against a strong team, I'm not picking us to win. Not against Arizona either. There's been too much disappointment this season.