The Holding Calls. The right calls or a conspiracy?

[StatesmanN 103]

Now imo let me just say that every call they made for holding on the Colts were actual holds.  I didn't see any calls that were not 'technically' holding.

 

Can those exact same calls be made on almost every play in the NFL?

 

Yes.

 

So I thought the refs really got ticky tak there at the end.  Were they trying to help the Packers win?  Not imo but I am sure some will think so.

 

To me the Colts coaching staff really should have stressed in the first half to NOT GRAB because the refs were already calling things tight then.

 

And don't even get me started on the 2 incomplete passes inside of 2 minutes.

 

Run the clock.  Giving them even more free timeouts was just bad coaching.

[Aces101 193]

The refs definitely tried to give the Packers a way to stay in the game - pathetic 

[yankeeclipper 107]

Offensive line and Pascal/Pittman holding calls almost cost us the game. We need to tighten that up. Great game by Taylor. 

 

[NewColtsFan 7,584]

1 minute ago, StatesmanN said:

Now imo let me just say that every call they made for holding on the Colts were actual holds.  I didn't see any calls that were not 'technically' holding.

 

Can those exact same calls be made on almost every play in the NFL?

 

Yes.

 

So I thought the refs really got ticky tak there at the end.  Were they trying to help the Packers win?  Not imo but I am sure some will think so.

 

To me the Colts coaching staff really should have stressed in the first half to NOT GRAB because the refs were calling things tight then.

 

And don't even get me started on the 2 incomplete passes inside of 2 minutes.

 

Run the clock.  Giving them even more free timeouts was just bad coaching.

If you have to use the word “conspiracy” you've lost whatever argument you were trying to make.    
 

Sorry. 

[DownHillRunner 358]

Those were bush league calls. 

[Behle 46]

The right calls. No conspiracy in my view. 

[GoColts8818 4,385]

No one wants to see a game called like that.  There is a reason refs let most holding calls go.

[csmopar 6,736]

4 minutes ago, StatesmanN said:

Now imo let me just say that every call they made for holding on the Colts were actual holds.  I didn't see any calls that were not 'technically' holding.

 

Can those exact same calls be made on almost every play in the NFL?

 

Yes.

 

So I thought the refs really got ticky tak there at the end.  Were they trying to help the Packers win?  Not imo but I am sure some will think so.

 

To me the Colts coaching staff really should have stressed in the first half to NOT GRAB because the refs were already calling things tight then.

 

And don't even get me started on the 2 incomplete passes inside of 2 minutes.

 

Run the clock.  Giving them even more free timeouts was just bad coaching.

They weren’t phantom calls but they definitely could be called on every single play of the game on both sides. Now there were two, one by pitman and one by pascal that yeas, should have been called. The others were tacky as heck

 

 

meanwhile on Rodger long bomb to get out of the end zone, the ref watched right on top of them holding Turray in the end zone, bad. 

[StatesmanN 103]

2 minutes ago, yankeeclipper said:

Offensive line and Pascal/Pittman holding calls almost cost us the game. We need to tighten that up. Great game by Taylor. 

 

This is the first real game where I thought Taylor just ran instinctively.  But even that was just in the second half.  The first half he looked the same as he has been.

 

Something changed at half time.  He looked like a different runner.

[GoColts8818 4,385]

1 minute ago, Behle said:

The right calls. No conspiracy in my view. 

They were right by the law but my problem is the Packers were doing the same thing and the flags weren’t coming.  I mean they tackled a guy about to sack Rodgers on the last drive.  

[Flash7 1,077]

Just now, GoColts8818 said:

They were right by the law but my problem is the Packers were doing the same thing and the flags weren’t coming.  I mean they tackled a guy about to sack Rodgers on the last drive.  

Saw that too, and was yelling at my TV!!!

[StatesmanN 103]

1 minute ago, Behle said:

The right calls. No conspiracy in my view. 

Conspiracy in the sense that the refs were trying to help the Packers win.

 

I don't believe they were, I just think the Colts were actually holding and for whatever reasons, the refs decided to call it super tight.

 

But I don't think the refs were thinking to themselves "I need to call holding here because I want the Packers to win".

[Mr.Debonair 1,678]

A few were good but a lot were nonsense. I don’t understand how you can be that strict with one team and then call the other team for only like two holds

[StatesmanN 103]

Even Tony Dungy just said that the Reich were terrible with the passing calls under 2 minutes that went incomplete.

 

 

[GoColts8818 4,385]

Just now, StatesmanN said:

Conspiracy in the sense that the refs were trying to help the Packers win.

 

I don't believe they were, I just think the Colts were actually holding and for whatever reasons, the refs decided to call it super tight.

 

But I don't think the refs were thinking to themselves "I need to call holding here because I want the Packers to win".

I agree with that I have a much bigger issue with them letting the Packers do it and not flagging anything.  If you want to be tight be tight both ways.  If you want to let them play then let them play both ways don’t call it tight one way and let them play the other way.

[John Waylon 1,646]

Whatever that was was not normal. Nor was it even approaching normal. And it wasn’t just chance. Take that for what it is. 

[StatesmanN 103]

Something isn't right with Nelson.  Yes he is still good but he had 3 holding calls today alone and numerous other ones this season.

 

He doesn't seem as dominant either.

 

Not sure what is going on but holding is something that an O lineman can be coached on, and the coaching staff is obviously failing the players.

[GoColts8818 4,385]

1 minute ago, StatesmanN said:

Even Tony Dungy just said that the Reich were terrible with the passing calls under 2 minutes that went incomplete.

 

 

They had to do something they were getting flagged anytime they tried to run.  The passing was working and they were a first down away from either being in field goal range or running out the clock.  

[superrep1967 520]

10 minutes ago, StatesmanN said:

Now imo let me just say that every call they made for holding on the Colts were actual holds.  I didn't see any calls that were not 'technically' holding.

 

Can those exact same calls be made on almost every play in the NFL?

 

Yes.

 

So I thought the refs really got ticky tak there at the end.  Were they trying to help the Packers win?  Not imo but I am sure some will think so.

 

To me the Colts coaching staff really should have stressed in the first half to NOT GRAB because the refs were already calling things tight then.

 

And don't even get me started on the 2 incomplete passes inside of 2 minutes.

 

Run the clock.  Giving them even more free timeouts was just bad coaching.

Those were the correct holding calls but you could probably call those on every play of the game. 

[Colt Overseas 512]

In my opinion the vast majority of them were correct.

 

Either way, the oline have to sit down early next week, look at the VT and get alot of things cleaned up. What happened today is not acceptable for a group that talented.

 

Also thats likely to be the last game, Le'Raven Clark will be wearing the horseshoe.

[John Waylon 1,646]

1 minute ago, StatesmanN said:

Even Tony Dungy just said that the Reich were terrible with the passing calls under 2 minutes that went incomplete.

 

 

Absolutely fair. Reich sits in the hero’s chair tonight when he should really be wearing the dunce cap in the corner alone. 
 

Thats just part of the story, though. Like a side quest in the game that has nothing to do with the story, and doesn’t change anything if you never do it. In the bigger picture that was just something else we had to overcome to win. 

[StatesmanN 103]

2 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

I agree with that I have a much bigger issue with them letting the Packers do it and not flagging anything.  If you want to be tight be tight both ways.  If you want to let them play then let them play both ways don’t call it tight one way and let them play the other way.

I would agree.

 

If anything it was a subconscious bias in favor of the Pack imo. 

[superrep1967 520]

1 minute ago, StatesmanN said:

Something isn't right with Nelson.  Yes he is still good but he had 3 holding calls today alone and numerous other ones this season.

 

He doesn't seem as dominant either.

 

Not sure what is going on but holding is something that an O lineman can be coached on, and the coaching staff is obviously failing the players.

Yeah, we need a new o-line coach. 

[GoColts8818 4,385]

2 minutes ago, superrep1967 said:

Yeah, we need a new o-line coach. 

Before the refs went flag crazy the line played its best run blocking game of the year.  37 carries for 140 yards is really good.

[HoosierHero 32]

That’s the thing. Technically they were all holding. My frustration was that it was all stuff that happens every play. In my opinion they were nothing more than what the packers left ankle was doing the whole game. So by the books holding, but still ridiculously to be one sided. 

[BProland85 1,288]

I have a hard time believing every single one of those calls was truly a hold. If so both Glow and Nelson need a talking to. Part of me thought the refs were almost letting the Packers back in it. 

[HoosierHero 32]

And I’m not even mad at Frank for passing I mean we’d be in our own end zone before too long. 

[AustinnKaine 279]

You guys are kidding right? That was obviously a string of nit picky calls. The only one that I considered justified was Pittman. For those who are suggesting something is wrong with 56, or the OLIne coach, what do you say about the fact that we have allowed the least sacks? 

[StatesmanN 103]

Just now, HoosierHero said:

That’s the thing. Technically they were all holding. My frustration was that it was all stuff that happens every play. In my opinion they were nothing more than what the packers left ankle was doing the whole game. So by the books holding, but still ridiculously to be one sided. 

The slow motion can really deceive you.  In slow mo just about every play has an O lineman grabbing a jersey or wrapping an arm around a body part.  But the key is how long they hold that grip or arm bar for.

 

Like I said it can be called every play.  Why the refs went berserko, even though they were actual holds, so late in the game is mystifying.  But I don't want to displace blame away from the players or coaches.

 

This has been a problem all year that came to a head tonight.

[Malakai432 1,009]

They were calling them all game.  I think they were legit however they usually don't call them to the extent they did tonight.  I was livid about ready to flip out.  

[OffensivelyPC 1,103]

Lets put it this way...how often does a potentially game sealing drive end w 6 offensive holds in the final 2 minutes?

[Mr.Debonair 1,678]

I don’t blame Reich for going to passes after repeated penalties on running plays. Maybe he could go to a diff style pass like a quick screen or tunnel screen but refs backed him into a corner 

[ColtsLegacy 575]

For those complaining about us passing, take a look at what happened every time we ran on that drive. Also, a ~5 yard play would have put us in FG range. 

[poaponies 48]

1 minute ago, OffensivelyPC said:

Lets put it this way...how often does a potentially game sealing drive end w 6 offensive holds in the final 2 minutes?

this almost feels like the no pass interference on the hail marry. In some ways  

[Archangel 22]

The sad thing now that the Refs did the holding calls. they will be watching the colts extremely close the next few games.

[Scott Pennock 2,483]

I'm a firm believer that the NFL wanted the Packers to win and thus they did what they had to do.

 

I saw at least 4 holding calls in the endzone after those bogus 5- 6 calls against us. There is holding on virtually every play that most go uncalled.....

 

Having said that, ball don't lie......

[StatesmanN 103]

1 minute ago, OffensivelyPC said:

Lets put it this way...how often does a potentially game sealing drive end w 6 offensive holds in the final 2 minutes?

It doesn't.  It was insanity.

[IinD 2,127]

No way those were all legit. Terrible job by the refs.

New England got away with driving guys into the ground for years... # that %...

[csmopar 6,736]

13 minutes ago, Flash7 said:

Saw that too, and was yelling at my TV!!!

Dude, I literally chunked the remote across the room and I rarely ever get mad.

[StatesmanN 103]

Just now, Scott Pennock said:

I'm a firm believer that the NFL wanted the Packers to win and thus they did what they had to do.

 

I saw at least 4 holding calls in the endzone after those bogus 5- 6 calls against us. There is holding on virtually every play that most go uncalled.....

 

Having said that, ball don't lie......

Yeah I saw a blatant hold on a Colt in the endzone on that last Packer drive in regulation.