Reichs quote on Jacoby and his leadership

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Reich just said this about Jacoby.  He also mentioned today how they have been working with him by taking away the first read and making him go through his progressions. I really hope he can put it all together because he has the intangibles. The colts need him to be the guy if they don’t want to take a step back.

 

 

[Colts_Fan12]

glad the coaching staff knows he sucks at going through his progressions maybe they can get that fixed by the end of the year 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

1 minute ago, Colts_Fan12 said:

glad the coaching staff knows he sucks at going through his progressions maybe they can get that fixed by the end of the year 

That doesn’t mean he sucks. But it does show that they see he needs to improve in that area. 

[Colts_Fan12]

1 minute ago, Chloe6124 said:

That doesn’t mean he sucks. But it does show that they see he needs to improve in that area. 

he does in fact suck at that 

[Coffeedrinker]

So when some of us fans mention JB has issues going through his progressions we are JB haters and discredit all the good he does but when Reich mentions it, it's just an area he needs to improve upon.

[Smoke317]

The reason the JB haters are haters is not because they criticize him.  It's because they "only" criticize him and the compliments are "always" backhanded.  That's what constitutes a hater.  Reich pointed out good as well as bad.  That's called being objective.

[MPStack]

14 minutes ago, Coffeedrinker said:

So when some of us fans mention JB has issues going through his progressions we are JB haters and discredit all the good he does but when Reich mentions it, it's jus an area he needs to improve upon.

[Coffeedrinker]

There are a lot of things to like about JB and his leadership skills is one of them.  I have mentioned in other threads, there are very few QBs who, I beleive, could have be thrust into the situation he was in and helped keep the team on a steady line and playing competitive football.

 

I will also say, it takes more than being a leader to be a great QB.  General Custard was a great leader, what he was not good at was reading a situation (kind of like he didn't go through all his progressions.)

 

yes, I did it. I tied Custard's lack of anticipating a setup to JB having trouble going through his progressions.  take that all my history teaches who said I didn't pay attention.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

19 minutes ago, Coffeedrinker said:

So when some of us fans mention JB has issues going through his progressions we are JB haters and discredit all the good he does but when Reich mentions it, it's jus an area he needs to improve upon.

Just for the record  I have never said that he doesn’t need to improve. I have also never hated on anyone saying it. My issue has always been with the ones who say he can’t improve or won’t improve.  I have patience.

[Coffeedrinker]

Just now, Chloe6124 said:

Just for the record  I have never said that he doesn’t need to improve. I have also never hates on anyone saying it. My issue has always been with the ones who say he can’t improve or won’t improve. 

So noted for the record.  Didn't you also say that you would laugh if the Colts went a different direction at QB and ended up in QB purgatory for years?

 

I'm just asking for the record.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

Just now, Coffeedrinker said:

So noted for the record.  Didn't you also say that you would laugh if the Colts went a different direction at QB and ended up in QB purgatory for years?

 

I'm just asking for the record.

No that is not what I meant. I would laugh at the people who wanted him gone.

I posted this to show that they realize weaknesses and are trying to improve. 

[MPStack]

10 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

I have patience.

But you were done with team.....

[SteelCityColt]

34 minutes ago, Smoke317 said:

The reason the JB haters are haters is not because they criticize him.  It's because they "only" criticize him and the compliments are "always" backhanded.  That's what constitutes a hater.  Reich pointed out good as well as bad.  That's called being objective.

There’s plenty of objective assessment, just as there’s plenty of people who refuse to engage with the discussion, instead chucking out ad hominems and men of straw. 

[NewColtsFan]

58 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said:

glad the coaching staff knows he sucks at going through his progressions maybe they can get that fixed by the end of the year 

Sorry you’re in a bad mood today....  but that was completely pitiful.   Just awful.   Thanks for wasting internet bandwidth. 
 

You’re capable of much better. 
 

[Nickster]

The lack of being able to read progressions is most of the reason I don't think he will be the Colts QB of the future.  

 

I don't think it's likely that he will improve much on this as long as he's been in the league with as much experience as he has.  

 

Hope I'm wrong because it causes major problems in all aspects of offense.

[csmopar]

43 minutes ago, Coffeedrinker said:

So noted for the record.  Didn't you also say that you would laugh if the Colts went a different direction at QB and ended up in QB purgatory for years?

 

I'm just asking for the record.

she also said she was "done with this team" yet, here she is, still posting away.

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

13 minutes ago, Nickster said:

The lack of being able to read progressions is most of the reason I don't think he will be the Colts QB of the future.  

 

I don't think it's likely that he will improve much on this as long as he's been in the league with as much experience as he has.  

 

Hope I'm wrong because it causes major problems in all aspects of offense.

23 starts. What kind of experience is that. Not like he has 5 years of starting.

[csmopar]

13 minutes ago, Nickster said:

The lack of being able to read progressions is most of the reason I don't think he will be the Colts QB of the future.  

 

I don't think it's likely that he will improve much on this as long as he's been in the league with as much experience as he has.  

 

Hope I'm wrong because it causes major problems in all aspects of offense.

dude, hes basically in year 2. and not even fully in year two.  Even the now highly touted great ones, Manning, Brady, Brees, etc took more than 1.5 years of actual playing time to develop into what would make them legends.  and it could be argued that Manning's break out wasn't until year 4.

[Colts_Fan12]

29 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

Sorry you’re in a bad mood today....  but that was completely pitiful.   Just awful.   Thanks for wasting internet bandwidth. 
 

You’re capable of much better. 
 

I like other things about him but this is the thing that pisses me off most about him 

[jskinnz]

58 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

Just for the record  I have never said that he doesn’t need to improve. I have also never hated on anyone saying it. My issue has always been with the ones who say he can’t improve or won’t improve.  I have patience.

I would in fact be willing to bet that you’ve said both things in the same thread 

[Colts_Fan12]

17 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

23 starts. What kind of experience is that. Not like he has 5 years of starting.

hes still been in the league 4 years! 

 

with great coaching and also playing behind some of the best in the business. but yeah let's continue to treat him like some dumb 2nd year player.

[Thunderbolt]

Of course Reich will say that, what do you expect him to say.

[Coffeedrinker]

16 minutes ago, csmopar said:

dude, hes basically in year 2. and not even fully in year two.  Even the now highly touted great ones, Manning, Brady, Brees, etc took more than 1.5 years of actual playing time to develop into what would make them legends.  and it could be argued that Manning's break out wasn't until year 4.

here is the thing though, going through progressions is not something that takes years to do.  And all the QBs you mentioned and many others were very good at going through their progressions coming out of college.  I believe it's one of those things that cannot be learned more than incremental improvement, a QB either is good at it or they are not.  A QB may become better at it in their range but someone who is bad at it will not become good, someone who is good at it will not be great at it.  It's one of the major reasons why I don't think QBs like Watson or Winston are elite QBs.  It's also a big reason why Wilson has become an elite QB despite being "too small" to be an NFL QB.

 

Additionally, when it comes to something as fundamental for a QB as going through his progressions, you cannot just limit it to his starts.  he's been in the league for 4 years now.  Even has a backup/scout team QB he has to be able to go through his reads.  It is the same as saying that a LB only has 23 starts of course he's not going to be good at tackling yet.

[gspdx]

1 hour ago, Coffeedrinker said:

There are a lot of things to like about JB and his leadership skills is one of them.  I have mentioned in other threads, there are very few QBs who, I beleive, could have be thrust into the situation he was in and helped keep the team on a steady line and playing competitive football.

 

I will also say, it takes more than being a leader to be a great QB.  General Custard was a great leader, what he was not good at was reading a situation (kind of like he didn't go through all his progressions.)

 

yes, I did it. I tied Custard's lack of anticipating a setup to JB having trouble going through his progressions.  take that all my history teaches who said I didn't pay attention.

Custard - Custard is a variety of culinary preparations based on milk or cream cooked with egg yolk to thicken it, and sometimes also flour, corn starch, or gelatin.

 

Custer - George Armstrong Custer was a United States Army officer and cavalry commander in the American Civil War and the American Indian Wars.

 

I love custard!

 

 

[Restinpeacesweetchloe]

26 minutes ago, Thunderbolt said:

Of course Reich will say that, what do you expect him to say.

Reich was not asked about him. He always talks about how feels practice has gone for the week. He talked about this and how he thought the WR handled it well. 

 

Why would he just make something up they had been working on in practice. I would hope they are alway looking at ways to improve a player.

 

Nobody said it was going to take him years. It’s about game experience. Brady was called the check down king his first three years before he became elite.

[Coffeedrinker]

27 minutes ago, gspdx said:

Custard - Custard is a variety of culinary preparations based on milk or cream cooked with egg yolk to thicken it, and sometimes also flour, corn starch, or gelatin.

 

Custer - George Armstrong Custer was a United States Army officer and cavalry commander in the American Civil War and the American Indian Wars.

 

I love custard!

 

 

I guess my history teachers were correct.

 

[gspdx]

3 minutes ago, Coffeedrinker said:

I guess my history teachers were correct.

 

Sorry - I couldn't help it.  But I get your point.

[Coffeedrinker]

4 minutes ago, gspdx said:

Sorry - I couldn't help it.  But I get your point.

No need to apologize.  I call enough people out on things like that.  Glad to see someone call me out on it.

[Coffeedrinker]

18 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

Nobody said it was going to take him years. It’s about game experience. Brady was called the check down king his first three years before he became elite.

They still call him that.  But the difference is Brady checks down after he had gone through his progressions.

[Sumo63]

Reich has the utmost faith and confidence in Vinny's leg!  Imagine how bad these progressions must be to have hit his radar!

 

[CoachSmok3]

2 hours ago, gspdx said:

Custard - Custard is a variety of culinary preparations based on milk or cream cooked with egg yolk to thicken it, and sometimes also flour, corn starch, or gelatin.

 

Custer - George Armstrong Custer was a United States Army officer and cavalry commander in the American Civil War and the American Indian Wars.

 

I love custard!

 

 

 

Bless you... Bless you. I am really trying not to poke bears today...

 

The itch was so strong...

 

You were my Neosporin.

 

Thank you.

[CanuckColt]

Ha, ha, ha.....whatever psyche job Reich wants to use.

Brissett must be mentally fragile.

 

[CoachSmok3]

2 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:

No need to apologize.  I call enough people out on things like that.  Glad to see someone call me out on it.

 

Humility is on the path to enlightenment...

 

Some-ish like that...

 

I try and remind myself daily lol

[CoachSmok3]

2 minutes ago, CanuckColt said:

Ha, ha, ha.....whatever psyche job Reich wants to use.

 

 

My God, you're right...

 

It's a conspiracy, man.

 

If Reich know tha hez company loyal to stand by the nonsense and the obvimously lack of talent an holes on diz roster then then he knows that if he shows JB can't reaf his progrezions den the opposing teams will have the advantage! Reich try to tank for a top 10 pick! We all know it!

 

BACK TO THE PILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*I lost today's internal battle, because of my brother to the north... A certain south park song I am dieing to use as justification

[Imgrandojji]

4 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:

General Custard

*MEGACRINGE!*

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Armstrong_Custer

 

And Custer did, in fact, have a pretty good grasp of situational awareness and was one of the finest Union cavalry commanders in the Civil war.  His problem at Wounded Knee was that he got bad intel from his scouts.  Bad information always leads to bad plans and bad results.

[Sumo63]

1 minute ago, Imgrandojji said:

*MEGACRINGE!*

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Armstrong_Custer

It's pronounced "Mustard" and he was only a Colonel.

[LockeDown]

2 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:

No need to apologize.  I call enough people out on things like that.  Glad to see someone call me out on it.

Your fat and have body odor.

 

 

 

 

 

school of rock quote 

[PrincetonTiger]

12 minutes ago, Imgrandojji said:

*MEGACRINGE!*

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Armstrong_Custer

 

And Custer did, in fact, have a pretty good grasp of situational awareness and was one of the finest Union cavalry commanders in the Civil war.  His problem at Wounded Knee was that he got bad intel from his scouts.  Bad information always leads to bad plans and bad results.

He was also very arrogant 

[Imgrandojji]

15 minutes ago, Sumo63 said:

It's pronounced "Mustard" and he was only a Colonel.

Lt. Colonel actually.  But LOL at the Clue reference anyway

[EastStreet]

5 hours ago, Colts_Fan12 said:

glad the coaching staff knows he sucks at going through his progressions maybe they can get that fixed by the end of the year 

Spot on. And.... Hilarious. Thank you. This post got me rolling. Even snorted.

 

4 hours ago, Chloe6124 said:

Just for the record  I have never said that he doesn’t need to improve. I have also never hated on anyone saying it. My issue has always been with the ones who say he can’t improve or won’t improve.  I have patience.

You do admit he needs to improve, but you also blame other facets of our O a lot as an excuse for JB's issues. Stats are your friends.

4 hours ago, Chloe6124 said:

23 starts. What kind of experience is that. Not like he has 5 years of starting.

That's more than rookies have... 

4 hours ago, csmopar said:

dude, hes basically in year 2. and not even fully in year two.  Even the now highly touted great ones, Manning, Brady, Brees, etc took more than 1.5 years of actual playing time to develop into what would make them legends.  and it could be argued that Manning's break out wasn't until year 4.

Yes, Brady improved a lot over time, but he also led the league in TDs in his 2nd year....

3 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:

here is the thing though, going through progressions is not something that takes years to do.  And all the QBs you mentioned and many others were very good at going through their progressions coming out of college.  I believe it's one of those things that cannot be learned more than incremental improvement, a QB either is good at it or they are not.  A QB may become better at it in their range but someone who is bad at it will not become good, someone who is good at it will not be great at it.  It's one of the major reasons why I don't think QBs like Watson or Winston are elite QBs.  It's also a big reason why Wilson has become an elite QB despite being "too small" to be an NFL QB.

 

Additionally, when it comes to something as fundamental for a QB as going through his progressions, you cannot just limit it to his starts.  he's been in the league for 4 years now.  Even has a backup/scout team QB he has to be able to go through his reads.  It is the same as saying that a LB only has 23 starts of course he's not going to be good at tackling yet.

 

This can not be stressed enough. Reading Ds and going through progressions takes both vision and processing. Both are more "natural" than "learned" gifts. While they can be learned, it's much harder, and may even be capped for many. Both issues were present in college, and it's still a big struggle.

2 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:

They still call him that.  But the difference is Brady checks down after he had gone through his progressions.

B.I.N.G.O.