Jackie Daytona Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/03/04/report-chiefs-releasing-justin-houston/ He's 30.... but he won't cost anything more than cash.... I'd say we kick the tires for certain, and depending on what he wants, 3 or 4 years of Houston may be our best bet to upgrade pass rush in FA. If he costs too much, Preston Smith is my next target if I were CB.... Opinions? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krunk Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 I been saying I will take the old fella if we can't hit on our other targets. Dat man still a dog for sure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastStreet Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 if he doesn't want to break the bank, i'd take him in a heart beat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniac Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Yes from me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Daytona Posted March 4, 2019 Author Share Posted March 4, 2019 was slated for over 15 mil this year, I'm sure he will want to recoup that, and he probably will.... maybe a large bonus and frontloaded contract could convince him to come for 3 or 4 years.... Dude had 9 sacks and five FF in only 12 games last year.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boo2202 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Rather try to get flowers. Houston seems to have injury problems every year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restinpeacesweetchloe Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 He is still in his prime. Depending on what he wants I would do a two to three year contract. Everyone else is getting tagged and the ones in the draft are going to be gone unless we move up. Gives us time to find one in the next couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Daytona Posted March 4, 2019 Author Share Posted March 4, 2019 1 minute ago, boo2202 said: Rather try to get flowers. Houston seems to have injury problems every year. I mean yeah, in 2016 he, and the Chiefs, kept trying to get him back too soon.... but I couldn't care less based on the last 2 season's.... 15 and 12 games is less than perfect, but he still got over 9 sacks regardless.... I like some young guys with potential out there, but who else has the resume of Houston among players available? Rumor is that the new Dolphins coach wants Flowers at almost any cost.... so he's likely no more than a quick phone call and "have a nice day" from CB..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restinpeacesweetchloe Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Just saw a tweet the chiefs have not released him yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Pennock Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Still a hard pass for me. 30+ Injury history Has played OLB virtually his whole career Wouldn't stand up to the beating of setting the edge and/or rushing the passer This would be like when the Colts tried to convert a 30+ year old Freeney into an OLB Just my two cents 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTC Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 I'd be fine with signing Houston for a one or two year deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Peytonator Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 When he’s released it will be because he’s a cap casualty on a team that wants to keep their one year wonder in Dee Ford. He’s still really solid and would be absolutely fine in a 4-3. He was rated 14th of all edge defenders on PFF and he’s been a model of consistency since he came into the league. I have no idea what he’d get on the open market but I’d absolutely give him what Brandon Graham got for an extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Superman Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 I'm all in on Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCurtis Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 We could make MUCH worse moves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewColtsFan Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 If Ballard wants him, he feels like a guy who would get roughly 3/25. I think his age works against him. But maybe Ballard feels playing in a timeshare rotation would help? He's someone who will likely be signed the first week of FA, so we won't have to wait long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BProland85 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 He’ll probably go to Cleveland with the John Dorsey ties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boiler_Colt Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 For a short term investment if we miss out on Flowers and Preston Smith? Sure. Ballard knows him better than anyone. Him or John Dorsey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 15 minutes ago, BProland85 said: He’ll probably go to Cleveland with the John Dorsey ties. I doubt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rackeen305 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Scott Pennock said: Still a hard pass for me. 30+ Injury history Has played OLB virtually his whole career Wouldn't stand up to the beating of setting the edge and/or rushing the passer This would be like when the Colts tried to convert a 30+ year old Freeney into an OLB Just my two cents Pass? So y0u dont want every other teams' player that gets released? So you have a mind of your own? interesting lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rock8591 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Hard pass. Since 2014, has been a shell of his former self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomDiggs Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said: If Ballard wants him, he feels like a guy who would get roughly 3/25. I think his age works against him. But maybe Ballard feels playing in a timeshare rotation would help? He's someone who will likely be signed the first week of FA, so we won't have to wait long. If I thought Houston could be had for that cheap at 3 years and only $25M then I'd jump at the chance to see how he could convert to the 4-3. The sad reality is that pass rushers do not hit the market. They just don't. Hence why guys like Clowney, Lawrence, Clark, Ford and even Jarrett have already been tagged. The big killer was Brandon Graham's deal. If Graham can get 3 years and $40M at age 31 (to start the year) and his stats are worse than Houston's and Houston is a year younger, if Houston hits the open market he is going to beat that deal. That means he will easily recoup that $15M he was going to make and then some. If he signs a 3 year deal it will be for more like $45-$50M than $25M. Which is why the Colts will pass. And is also why a guy like Flowers is going to take a lot of money to real in. Which is why I do not expect us to get him either. It is going to be a rough day as a Colts fan for folks who either want a pass rusher or do not want to overpay. Because we are either not going to sign one of the few available guys or we are going to pay way more than we should to do so. Just my 2 cents for what it is worth. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restinpeacesweetchloe Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 His age doesn’t concern me. We aren’t going to get a stud in the draft and teams aren’t letting there edge guys go. We need someone until we find our own guy. What does concern me is KC is converting to a 4-3 and that is why they don’t want him. So why do they think he can’t play a 4-3. i wish we could mi e up to get one of the studs in the draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewColtsFan Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 33 minutes ago, TomDiggs said: If I thought Houston could be had for that cheap at 3 years and only $25M then I'd jump at the chance to see how he could convert to the 4-3. The sad reality is that pass rushers do not hit the market. They just don't. Hence why guys like Clowney, Lawrence, Clark, Ford and even Jarrett have already been tagged. The big killer was Brandon Graham's deal. If Graham can get 3 years and $40M at age 31 (to start the year) and his stats are worse than Houston's and Houston is a year younger, if Houston hits the open market he is going to beat that deal. That means he will easily recoup that $15M he was going to make and then some. If he signs a 3 year deal it will be for more like $45-$50M than $25M. Which is why the Colts will pass. And is also why a guy like Flowers is going to take a lot of money to real in. Which is why I do not expect us to get him either. It is going to be a rough day as a Colts fan for folks who either want a pass rusher or do not want to overpay. Because we are either not going to sign one of the few available guys or we are going to pay way more than we should to do so. Just my 2 cents for what it is worth. Heckuva post! Well thought through, well written. You make a compelling argument. Not sure there’s a “Yeah, but...” type of argument. If there is, it won’t be made by me! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four2itus Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 5 hours ago, Chloe6124 said: He is still in his prime. Not what I see....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJpalmbeacher2 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Houston may be the best chance to get a talented edge rusher. If they won't last untill 26 and aren't usually available in FA/trade Colts will need to get him. If Not, it could wind up being 3 off-seasons without acquiring a much needed element in our(actually any teams) scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krunk Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 If we cant get J Houston, then id be just as fine with Preston Smith and drafting a guy like Omenihu in Rd 2 to go along with that. Ive kind of taken a liking to Ohmenihu. I think hes a tough player. Add Tillery in the middle to play the 3 and the 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastStreet Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 he's not prime, he is good. if he won't break the bank, and he fits into Ballard's XX year plan, then great. sign me up if ballard thinks it's good. he seems like a guy who we'd go after, after the draft though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Daytona Posted March 5, 2019 Author Share Posted March 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Chloe6124 said: His age doesn’t concern me. We aren’t going to get a stud in the draft and teams aren’t letting there edge guys go. We need someone until we find our own guy. What does concern me is KC is converting to a 4-3 and that is why they don’t want him. So why do they think he can’t play a 4-3. i wish we could mi e up to get one of the studs in the draft. KC doesn't want him because they need $$ they had 10 mil before tagging Ford.... they can't afford both, they don't release Houston, just because of a scheme change... They were both going to be playing the same position, speed rusher, and they chose Ford... doesn't mean Houston couldn't play it, it means they can't afford both.... and chose ford, who, if a deal is worked out, will have a lower potential cap hit than Houston... plus, Ford is 3 years younger..... danger is, he might be a contract year warrior.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard pallo Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Don't forget Ford is on the trade block. He is much younger. We shouldn't ignore that opportunity either. I would prefer Mosley and Collins but it's anybody's guess how that turns out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewColtsFan Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 1 hour ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said: Houston may be the best chance to get a talented edge rusher. If they won't last untill 26 and aren't usually available in FA/trade Colts will need to get him. If Not, it could wind up being 3 off-seasons without acquiring a much needed element in our(actually any teams) scheme. Who says they won't last till 26? Don't believe the naysayers.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throwing BBZ Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 3 hours ago, TomDiggs said: If I thought Houston could be had for that cheap at 3 years and only $25M then I'd jump at the chance to see how he could convert to the 4-3. The sad reality is that pass rushers do not hit the market. They just don't. Hence why guys like Clowney, Lawrence, Clark, Ford and even Jarrett have already been tagged. The big killer was Brandon Graham's deal. If Graham can get 3 years and $40M at age 31 (to start the year) and his stats are worse than Houston's and Houston is a year younger, if Houston hits the open market he is going to beat that deal. That means he will easily recoup that $15M he was going to make and then some. If he signs a 3 year deal it will be for more like $45-$50M than $25M. Which is why the Colts will pass. And is also why a guy like Flowers is going to take a lot of money to real in. Which is why I do not expect us to get him either. It is going to be a rough day as a Colts fan for folks who either want a pass rusher or do not want to overpay. Because we are either not going to sign one of the few available guys or we are going to pay way more than we should to do so. Just my 2 cents for what it is worth. Graham's stats were better than Houston's. Graham was 4th in combined sacks, hits, and hurries. Graham was rated 50th in PFF top 101. Houston 80. Given that Houston would be changing to a new team, a new defense, and playing with his hand in the dirt, and that FA typically have mediocre 1st seasons, then throw in health and age issues, i doubt he is considered right for us at this time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Superman Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Justin Houston had 9 sacks in 12 games last season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Daytona Posted March 5, 2019 Author Share Posted March 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Four2itus said: Not what I see....... Ok, I guess 9 sacks, 5 FF and 3 FR and 1 pick in 12 games is over the hill..... could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Superman Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Even if Houston has lost a step he would still be the best pass rusher on the Colts in 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtStrong2013 Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 9 hours ago, NewColtsFan said: Heckuva post! Well thought through, well written. You make a compelling argument. Not sure there’s a “Yeah, but...” type of argument. If there is, it won’t be made by me! Yeah, but I think he did a good job too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStillTruckedYou Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Did everyone already forget about Donte Fowler? This guy is the perfect example of the speed Ballard preaches about, and young! If you're going to pay any money, Fowler would be first in line on my list. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throwing BBZ Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 7 hours ago, DarkSuperman said: Justin Houston had 9 sacks in 12 games last season. Any idea how many of those were because his team was playing from ahead all season? Or because he had a DT blowing up the middle with 15.5 sacks. Or because the other rush LB had 13 sacks? He is really good but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r a y s k i Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 To be fair I'm happy with our pass rushers as it is, I think we got young players eager to prove themselves with Lewis and Turay, Sheard as a veteran. Go after Collins or Mosley and add pass rushers on draft day 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four2itus Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 10 hours ago, Shafty138 said: Ok, I guess 9 sacks, 5 FF and 3 FR and 1 pick in 12 games is over the hill..... could be. So a player goes from "in his prime", to "over the hill", and no in between.....could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Daytona Posted March 5, 2019 Author Share Posted March 5, 2019 11 minutes ago, Four2itus said: So a player goes from "in his prime", to "over the hill", and no in between.....could be. I think Houston is just fine.... I'm not the one who stated he was too old.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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