2017 O-line Construction

[COLTS449]

8 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Your last sentence would be my FA preference,  or a mid-round pick in the draft.

 

I suspect/hope that Ballard heavily relies on the judgement of Philbin.    

 

Hard for me to see us spending big on another guard.     And I don't want to spend a 1 or a 2 or a 3 on a guard.  

 

I only want defense or a RB there and the preference is defense.

 

A modest investment -- sure.     A big investment would greatly concern me....

 

 

Signing TJ Lang shouldn't concern you at all. He's an elite guard who's going to keep balling for at least the next 2-3 years. A 3 year deal with him would be awesome.

[akcolt]

7 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Your last sentence would be my FA preference,  or a mid-round pick in the draft.

 

I suspect/hope that Ballard heavily relies on the judgement of Philbin.    

 

Hard for me to see us spending big on another guard.     And I don't want to spend a 1 or a 2 or a 3 on a guard.  

 

I only want defense or a RB there and the preference is defense.

 

A modest investment -- sure.     A big investment would greatly concern me....

 

One another G? We only have one on the roster. Mewhort is the only guy who has spent significant time at G. Last year was the first year Haeg Good or Harrison had played G. I wasn't blown away by any of them. 

 

I think we need to bring in a RG. I prefer a starter in free agency and be done with it. I would have no problem taking one late day 2 or early day 3. If that's the route we took. I hope RG is address let's not forget we ran Blythe out there as a starter last year. That was it for me with Grig's. He declares the interior of the OL the offseason focus and we end up with Blythe starting a game at RT. 

[theanarchist]

4 hours ago, dw49 said:

 

About the only units that seems to stay healthy are the LB and RB units. Maybe it's because we don't run the ball and our Lbs can't cover or tackle ? 

you may be onto something here

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, COLTS449 said:

 

Signing TJ Lang shouldn't concern you at all. He's an elite guard who's going to keep balling for at least the next 2-3 years. A 3 year deal with him would be awesome.

 

And Lang might be the right guy....    Without looking or knowing,  I wonder if he was at Green Bay long enough to have worked with Philbin before...?

 

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, akcolt said:

One another G? We only have one on the roster. Mewhort is the only guy who has spent significant time at G. Last year was the first year Haeg Good or Harrison had played G. I wasn't blown away by any of them. 

 

I think we need to bring in a RG. I prefer a starter in free agency and be done with it. I would have no problem taking one late day 2 or early day 3. If that's the route we took. I hope RG is address let's not forget we ran Blythe out there as a starter last year. That was it for me with Grig's. He declares the interior of the OL the offseason focus and we end up with Blythe starting a game at RT. 

 

We spent a 2 on Mewhort and we're going to sign him to a good sized contract.    We're going to need to give Kelly a good contract someday.     The idea is not to put too much into one area.      A number of teams have inexpensive players plugged in at guard.     I'd prefer not spend 8-10 mill on someone like Zeitler.

[LockeDown]

If Andrew Luck continues to hold onto the ball too long, we will,be forced to march out a top notch Oline every game...despite the  $$$.  Something has to give.

[Finball]

5 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

And Lang might be the right guy....    Without looking or knowing,  I wonder if he was at Green Bay long enough to have worked with Philbin before...?

 

 

Yeah, for 3 seasons. '09-'11.

[a06cc]

10 hours ago, rockywoj said:

You're a fan of the Colts, but actually hoping for their main LT to have a bad year?

 

Mind boggling.

 

i would like to see Castonzo elevate his game, have a tremendous year, emerging as a Pro Bowl balling LT.

Most of his success is build off the healthy of Jack Mewhort. PFF backs this up for users. Run plays behind LT were 3.90. Run plays ran behind LG 4.95. Last season 59% of our ran plays were ran between our LG/C. These numbers are when both are healthy. I'm hoping he doesn't fail. I'm expecting him to if JM is hurt again. In a season or two I would like to get a new LT.

[Steamboat_Shaun]

11 hours ago, a06cc said:

I'm also going to call out the elephant in the room. Wouldn't be upset if again Anthony Castonzo has a horrible season.

 

I dunno, that's Luck's blind side, I think I'd kind of prefer that he has a stellar season.

[throwing BBZ]

19 hours ago, Track Guy said:

My assessment - for what it's worth is this. We have a bunch of young guys on the roster, and presumably we'll be starting 2 guys on their rookie contracts for the next few years. We can afford to pay out a decent chunk of change at this position for the next few years.

 

Look at the following guys under contract:

 

Castonzo: signed through 2019. Should remain our starting LT.

Mewhort: signed through 2017. I'd like to see him get a 2 extension at 7 - 8 mil per year. I would say longer except for the concern over his knee condition. Should remain our starting LG. Finishing his rookie contract.

Kelly: option through 2020. Lockdown at C. Rookie contract.

Clark: signed through 2019. Leading option for RT. Rookie contract.

Haeg: signed through 2019. I like him best as a versatile 6th O-lineman - you really need these kind of guys. Rookie contract.

Good: signed through 2018. Decent depth guy at G, I'd prefer that to be his role for the next couple seasons. Rookie contract.

Reitz: signed through 2017. Versatile backup - I'd have him play out his contract but he's not really the future.

Blythe: signed through 2019. The backup center role is his ceiling really, but I'm fine with him being penciled in there for now. Rookie contract.

 

If we could land Kevin Zeitler, I think we can afford the 10 - 11 mil per year he will command. We're riding pretty cheap on the O-line right now, and will be through 2019. Even if we're paying out 18 mil per year at the guard position through 2019 (which is a lot) we're paying low numbers at RT and C. We'll get a chance to reevaluate at 2019 who to re-sign and who not to out of the guys who are up: Mewhort, Castonzo, Clark, and Haeg. Sure we might lose 1 or 2 of them at that point - but for the next 3 years we would have great continuity and plenty of talent on the line. Imagine:

 

Castonzo - Mewhort - Kelly - Zeitler - Clark

 

Haeg as the 6th O-lineman.

 

Protect 12 and run the football well!

 

 This outcome would look very promising.
 I`ve made it clear i don`t like Mewhort`s stiffness and lack of mobility.
 

[Smonroe]

2 hours ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

I dunno, that's Luck's blind side, I think I'd kind of prefer that he has a stellar season.

 

LOL!  Yeah, I was puzzled by that comment also. I don't think he meant what he wrote (at least I hope not).

[Steamboat_Shaun]

2 hours ago, throwing BBZ said:

 

 This outcome would look very promising.
 I`ve made it clear i don`t like Mewhort`s stiffness and lack of mobility.
 

 

He can be as stiff as he wants if he continues to not give up sacks, totally fine by me.

[RockThatBlue]

14 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

From time to time,  some of the posts connected to the draft and free agency can be simply astounding....

 

Seriously.           

That had to of been someone who doesn't watch College Football. Catching out of the backfield and speed are two of his biggest strengths. 

[indyagent17]

Dont be surprised if we get a LG to compete with Mewhort. He has injury issues and we cant let that hurt our team depth. That said I wouldn't mind Rodger Saffold back in Indiana

[rockywoj]

16 hours ago, COLTS449 said:

 

LOL. What's crazy is we could get like half of the top 10 players taken in that 2013 draft for next to nothing combined. LOL. Its just crazy. Joekel, Mingo, Jordan, Warmack, Cooper, and Milliner. LOL it is hilarious. We could sign everyone of those guys for a very small total. But I would only take a chance on Joekel, Warmack, Mingo, or Jordan for maybe a little over vet minimum on a 1 year deal.

I'd sign them on multi-year deals, but with not large guaranties, so if you strike gold, you have them locked up for a few years with time to rework the deal before free agency hits, to reward them for their ascension.  

[COLTS449]

2 hours ago, rockywoj said:

I'd sign them on multi-year deals, but with not large guaranties, so if you strike gold, you have them locked up for a few years with time to rework the deal before free agency hits, to reward them for their ascension.  

 

Well really it wouldn't be wise to sign everyone of them as most are probably never going to reach their potential. With that being said though some guys breakout in their 5th year for some reason. Maybe 1-2 of Joekel, Warmack, Cooper, Mingo, Jordan, or Milliner will breakout this coming year but IMO I seriously doubt it. Milliner will probably be out of the league. If Cooper or Joekel were going to be any count they would have already shown something IMO. Warmack actually had a decent year a couple years ago and coming into that draft I thought Mingo and Jordan were going to be beasts. Everyone did. But I'd take a flyer on Mingo, Jordan, or Warmack before any others. Jordan did show some flashes. He's had injury issues the last couple years on top of the off field stuff. And Mingo had I think 5 sacks one year. So I mean it could be a brilliant move, but you cant ever tell. Maybe if Jordan came into a new environment, and was 100% healthy and playing OLB in a 34 instead of DE in a 43 he would start to live up to the hype. At worst we sign em dirt cheap and they get cut after preseason. No risk, slight chance of a monster reward LOL.

[COLTS449]

4 hours ago, indyagent17 said:

Dont be surprised if we get a LG to compete with Mewhort. He has injury issues and we cant let that hurt our team depth. That said I wouldn't mind Rodger Saffold back in Indiana

 

Man Mewhort is fine. He'll be ready way before even preseason. And I don't get why people are hating on a top 15 guard in the NFL. We have a stud in Mewhort. Now all we need is a stud at RG. If we bring in a FA guard (which I think we will) he'll come in and start at RG. Nobody's taking over for Mewhort unless we sign TJ Lang and Haeg turns into Marshall Yanda LOL. And even then Mewhort would just move to RT or something, Bottom line is he is a building block for years to come. He's a stud. Come on bro.

[Smonroe]

20 minutes ago, COLTS449 said:

 

Man Mewhort is fine. He'll be ready way before even preseason. And I don't get why people are hating on a top 15 guard in the NFL. We have a stud in Mewhort. Now all we need is a stud at RG. If we bring in a FA guard (which I think we will) he'll come in and start at RG. Nobody's taking over for Mewhort unless we sign TJ Lang and Haeg turns into Marshall Yanda LOL. And even then Mewhort would just move to RT or something, Bottom line is he is a building block for years to come. He's a stud. Come on bro.

 

He missed two games his first two years.  I guess it's 'what have you done for me lately ' for some people.

 

  He's not going anywhere.  

[COLTS449]

5 minutes ago, Smonroe said:

 

He missed two games his first two years.  I guess it's 'what have you done for me lately ' for some people.

 

  He's not going anywhere.  

 

Exactly. He's a very good LG. I have no clue where all the hate is coming from other than he got hurt and missed a few games this year and it still makes no sense as he's shown his toughness and ability to play through certain injuries, and he's balled out in each of his first 3 years, and again IMO he's a top 15ish guard. Maybe even better. Like you said he missed a grand total of 2 games in year 1 and 2. So I don't get it at all man. LOL.

[indyagent17]

55 minutes ago, COLTS449 said:

 

Man Mewhort is fine. He'll be ready way before even preseason. And I don't get why people are hating on a top 15 guard in the NFL. We have a stud in Mewhort. Now all we need is a stud at RG. If we bring in a FA guard (which I think we will) he'll come in and start at RG. Nobody's taking over for Mewhort unless we sign TJ Lang and Haeg turns into Marshall Yanda LOL. And even then Mewhort would just move to RT or something, Bottom line is he is a building block for years to come. He's a stud. Come on bro.

how well did the left side of line pass protect and open holes in the running game. Mewhort is fine but injuries can take a toll so we need a player to compete with him so we are solid at that position Bro

[KB]

Wouldn't be surprised if we get someone like Feeney to take over for right guard. Get Heag settled at left guard and let Mewhort walk, picking up a compasatory pick. He was second rounder so should get a decent pick for him.

[COLTS449]

2 hours ago, indyagent17 said:

how well did the left side of line pass protect and open holes in the running game. Mewhort is fine but injuries can take a toll so we need a player to compete with him so we are solid at that position Bro

 

Nobody's gonna beat him out dude. I mean no matter if we signed Lang and drafted a guard early. Mewhort would still start and would still be a building block on this OL as he, or maybe the draft pick would just move to RT. Dude. Literally. Even if somehow in some insane, not gonna happen scenario we managed to land Marshall Yanda and Kelechi Osemele in separate trades Mewhort would STILL START. Just at RT, or maybe still G with Castanzo moving to RT and Osemele at LT. LOL. So what I'm trying to tell you is first up he'll be healthy, and he isn't injury prone. (2 games missed first 2years) and 2nd no matter what he's going to start. If/when we sign a big time guard that guard will play RG. He will not affect Mewhort. Saying "Bring in somebody to compete with him" it just sounds crazy. He's our best lineman. He's a top tier guard in the entire NFL, and we need a RG. I know. Maybe if we sign TJ Lang, Kevin Zeitler, and Austin Pasztor all in FA then maybe Mewhort wont start. But guess what. He'd probably start over Castanzo. Your argument is garbage. No disrespect. Just being real........BRO !

[COLTS449]

29 minutes ago, KB said:

Wouldn't be surprised if we get someone like Feeney to take over for right guard. Get Heag settled at left guard and let Mewhort walk, picking up a compasatory pick. He was second rounder so should get a decent pick for him.

 

Man. You and indyagent17 must be on some cid or something. Or Smoking crack. I'm not sure but its definitely something. My guess would be one of those 2 cause both of you guys are trippin LOL.

[akcolt]

21 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

We spent a 2 on Mewhort and we're going to sign him to a good sized contract.    We're going to need to give Kelly a good contract someday.     The idea is not to put too much into one area.      A number of teams have inexpensive players plugged in at guard.     I'd prefer not spend 8-10 mill on someone like Zeitler.

That's a big jump from a 3rd-5th rounder or a guy to in FA to compete for the starting job to the #1 FA target at RG.

 

I'm not advocating to spend 10M a year on a RG. The FA wish lists I've seen are going to leave people disappointed. The only place I'd be in favor of spending big is the front 7 particularly the LB's. 

[KB]

1 hour ago, COLTS449 said:

 

Man. You and indyagent17 must be on some cid or something. Or Smoking crack. I'm not sure but its definitely something. My guess would be one of those 2 cause both of you guys are trippin LOL.

Hey its a business and that would be a business decision. Mewhort is getting hurt more frequentl, he has yet to be at the probowl, our o line didn't miss a beat with him gone at the end of the season, and it would save us from a big contract while getting another pick. The Patriots do it all the time. I like Mewhort but at the end of the day he has proven to be expendable. Heck Harrison came in and did just as well as he did. Actually being able to pull to the outside and block well. This is a contract year and if he is hurt for a good portion then the comp pick is the best value.

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, akcolt said:

That's a big jump from a 3rd-5th rounder or a guy to in FA to compete for the starting job to the #1 FA target at RG.

 

I'm not advocating to spend 10M a year on a RG. The FA wish lists I've seen are going to leave people disappointed. The only place I'd be in favor of spending big is the front 7 particularly the LB's. 

 

Good post...

 

I realize I was responding to you,  but I often try to address other posters as well in a broader response.

 

And I see a lot of people who want to spend big money on a RG.      I don't think it's wise and I don't see it happening.      Lang, the former Packer guard might be an interest possibility.    He's worked with Philbin and I don't think he'll be too expensive.      Maybe 2/11 or 3/16.      The Colts might be willing to do that....

 

I remain hopeful that the future starting right guard for the Colts is already on the roster.    We'll have a better idea when Free Agency hits and we see who we sign and who we don't...

 

[braveheartcolt]

2 hours ago, COLTS449 said:

 

Man. You and indyagent17 must be on some cid or something. Or Smoking crack. I'm not sure but its definitely something. My guess would be one of those 2 cause both of you guys are trippin LOL.

I agree. People who don't think the same as you are junkies. Got it.

[COLTS449]

8 minutes ago, braveheartcolt said:

I agree. People who don't think the same as you are junkies. Got it.

 

They're saying Mewhort should be gotten rid of or wanting us to bring somebody into, well basically replace him. Facts are facts. Mewhort is a building block. He's a very good Guard. Anyone saying or implying he should be a backup, traded, or released is "trippin" some way or another man. Its like they don't get the obvious. Which is. No. We need to keep Mewhort. We just need a beast RG.

 

And btw. LMAO. I think you're just targeting me because of our back and forth earlier over DQ. I would say you probably agree with me on Mewhort.

[Colts_Fan12]

On 2/8/2017 at 3:20 PM, Majin Vegeta said:

I'm trying to get rid of it.

Me too!!!! 

[akcolt]

2 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Good post...

 

I realize I was responding to you,  but I often try to address other posters as well in a broader response.

 

And I see a lot of people who want to spend big money on a RG.      I don't think it's wise and I don't see it happening.      Lang, the former Packer guard might be an interest possibility.    He's worked with Philbin and I don't think he'll be too expensive.      Maybe 2/11 or 3/16.      The Colts might be willing to do that....

 

I remain hopeful that the future starting right guard for the Colts is already on the roster.    We'll have a better idea when Free Agency hits and we see who we sign and who we don't...

 

I have been looking at the draft more closely than free agency. The kid I have had my eye on is Greg Pyke from Georgia. He has been through a couple of different head coaches and position coaches. He moved from RG where he looked promising as a sophomore  That's when he first caught my eye. He had a down year with the new staff as a Jr then kicked out to RT. His career never took off like it looked like it was going to. 

 

He has NFL size 6'6 315 and is a very good athlete. I think he could slide to day 3. That would be a solid addition. He is a G and would compete at RG day 1 with flexibility to cover at RT if need be. 

 

I don't think standing pat on the OL is smart. Again we started Blythe at RG last year. That's inexcusable. I think Good is a back up. Clark and Haeg fight it out for RT.  Blythe is a one trick pony not sure why he takes a roster spot next year. That leaves Harrison and Reitz. 

 

I don't see a future at RG in that mix. Maybe Cage or Redmond surprises maybe not.

[NewColtsFan]

12 minutes ago, akcolt said:

I have been looking at the draft more closely than free agency. The kid I have had my eye on is Greg Pyke from Georgia. He has been through a couple of different head coaches and position coaches. He moved from RG where he looked promising as a sophomore  That's when he first caught my eye. He had a down year with the new staff as a Jr then kicked out to RT. His career never took off like it looked like it was going to. 

 

He has NFL size 6'6 315 and is a very good athlete. I think he could slide to day 3. That would be a solid addition. He is a G and would compete at RG day 1 with flexibility to cover at RT if need be. 

 

I don't think standing pat on the OL is smart. Again we started Blythe at RG last year. That's inexcusable. I think Good is a back up. Clark and Haeg fight it out for RT.  Blythe is a one trick pony not sure why he takes a roster spot next year. That leaves Harrison and Reitz. 

 

I don't see a future at RG in that mix. Maybe Cage or Redmond surprises maybe not.

 

Inexcusiable?      We didn't start Blythe because we wanted to.    We started him because we had to.    Injuries.  Blythe was never supposed to play more than special teams this year.     Basically, just like Clark.    I'm glad we had him.

 

As for standing pat,   I do NOT want to do that.     In my draft world,  I'm going defense in the first three rounds,  and I've giving the 4th round to the offense.     A RB and then let Philbin pick the OL he wants.

 

5th round I'd go back to defense. 

 

And the 6th round I'd either use on defense,  a punter,   or a 2nd RB.

 

But I think a quality OL can be found in the 4th this year and I really trust Philbin.

 

[BR-549]

4 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Inexcusiable?      We didn't start Blythe because we wanted to.    We started him because we had to.    Injuries.  Blythe was never supposed to play more than special teams this year.     Basically, just like Clark.    I'm glad we had him.

 

As for standing pat,   I do NOT want to do that.     In my draft world,  I'm going defense in the first three rounds,  and I've giving the 4th round to the offense.     A RB and then let Philbin pick the OL he wants.

 

5th round I'd go back to defense. 

 

And the 6th round I'd either use on defense,  a punter,   or a 2nd RB.

 

But I think a quality OL can be found in the 4th this year and I really trust Philbin.

 

Not trying to pick a fight, but why is it you put so much faith in him?  I recall Rick Venturi suggesting often throughout the season our linemen not being able to pick up a simple twist.  I don't know if that is on Philbin or not, but it seems like it should be.

I am just curious.  He does seem to be well respected.  I know most of our line is young, but LT and LG are somewhat seasoned.

[Valpo2004]

On 2/8/2017 at 10:53 AM, Legend of Luck said:

Hey guys, glad to be back after being away for a while.

 

I wanted to start a conversation about how best to construct the 2017 O-line.

 

We've spent so many draft picks on young O-line talent, some have hit, some have not. But, we can't afford to keep waiting for these young guys to develop. We need to start protecting Andrew and winning now.

 

With the left side of the line in tact, I think it's imperative that we sign a RG in free agency. Not only do we need an upgrade at that position, but the level of talent available in free agency is outstanding.

 

Possible Targets-

RG- Luke Joeckel, T.J. Lang, Chance Warmack, Ron Leary

 

These are just 4 of the available options, but getting any of those 4 would be an immediate boost. Joeckel and Warmack are only 25, Leary is 27, and Lang is 29. They could be long term solutions at guard for us.

 

Now, at RT, I'm not quite sure what the best move is. I feel like Haeg or Clark could take a step forward this year, and the pool of available free agents at RT isn't as deep as RG.

 

Possible Targets- Sebastian Vollmer, Andre Smith, Andrew Wintworth if he were to switch to RT from LT.

 

Most of the free agent options at RT are older. I wouldn't have a problem with signing a vet to a short deal, while Haeg and Clark develop.

 

But, overall, I don't think we should use any draft picks this year on the O-line. We need seasoned, talented guys to make an impact for us this year.

 

I'd love to hear your thoughts and opinions! Let's discuss! 

 

Arn't a lot of the guys you listed. . . Joeckel and Warmack draft busts?  If we're gonna bring in a draft bust we should have it only be on a small prove it deal.

 

I'm really not opposed to going into next year with Castanzo - Mewhort - Kelly - Haeg - Clark.  

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, BR-549 said:

Not trying to pick a fight, but why is it you put so much faith in him?  I recall Rick Venturi suggesting often throughout the season our linemen not being able to pick up a simple twist.  I don't know if that is on Philbin or not, but it seems like it should be.

I am just curious.  He does seem to be well respected.  I know most of our line is young, but LT and LG are somewhat seasoned.

 

We were starting rookie, rookie and rookie at C, RG and RT for roughly half of the season.    And when it wasn't three rookies across the board,  there was a 2nd year guy in there.  

 

The OL is the place where it takes a long time to gel.     I'm sure you saw the posts about how few sacks they gave up down the stretch until the last game of the year?     And I'm sure you noticed that we ran the ball better in 16 than 15.     

 

And I think Philbin had great input into the 4 kids that the Colts drafted.   At worst, we're going to hit on 3 of the 4,  and if Blythe can put on 10-15 pounds,  then I think we're going to hit on all four OL picks. 

 

Philbin has a long history, a good reputation, for being a top OL coach.    He had other offers and he picked the Colts.      I don't like him as a HC,  but I really like him as an OL coach.

 

Hope that clarifies my view....

 

[Valpo2004]

15 hours ago, indyagent17 said:

how well did the left side of line pass protect and open holes in the running game. Mewhort is fine but injuries can take a toll so we need a player to compete with him so we are solid at that position Bro

 

Injuries can take their toll? 

 

He's had less injuries then Andrew Luck.  I suppose you think we need to spend $20M on Kirk Cousins to compete with Luck right?

 

For the amount of time that he's played both in years and how much he's been on the field, he's had an extremely low number of injuries and all of them relatively minor.  

 

 

[BR-549]

1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

We were starting rookie, rookie and rookie at C, RG and RT for roughly half of the season.    And when it wasn't three rookies across the board,  there was a 2nd year guy in there.  

 

The OL is the place where it takes a long time to gel.     I'm sure you saw the posts about how few sacks they gave up down the stretch until the last game of the year?     And I'm sure you noticed that we ran the ball better in 16 than 15.     

 

And I think Philbin had great input into the 4 kids that the Colts drafted.   At worst, we're going to hit on 3 of the 4,  and if Blythe can put on 10-15 pounds,  then I think we're going to hit on all four OL picks. 

 

Philbin has a long history, a good reputation, for being a top OL coach.    He had other offers and he picked the Colts.      I don't like him as a HC,  but I really like him as an OL coach.

 

Hope that clarifies my view....

 

Dude I told you straight up I wasn't trying to start a fight.  I was asking a question.  Everyone around here is so edgy but thats cool.  I was honestly just trying to have conversation with you about Philbin, but I feel like you thought I was attacking your "view".  That is not the case nor was it my intention.  And no, I did not see the posts... I watched the games.

 

We went from 1438 yards in 15 to 1926 last year, yeah 2016 was better for sure and 4.7 Y/A isn't bad at all.  But i don't think it was spectacular when you look at it in context. 

 

It was Venturi (whom I respect) that made the comments about the line not being able to pick up stunts. I was simply repeating his thoughts and observations.  It was a season long issue and sacs are one thing, cumulative hits are another.  

 

Oh, and a lot of those yards came from Gore's effort and second and third effort... not because of great blocking.

 

Anyway, I got it now.  Thank You

[Superman]

16 hours ago, KB said:

Wouldn't be surprised if we get someone like Feeney to take over for right guard. Get Heag settled at left guard and let Mewhort walk, picking up a compasatory pick. He was second rounder so should get a decent pick for him.

 

That's not how comp picks work. Whether you get a comp pick at all, and what kind of pick you get, depends on a variety of factors. Where the player was originally drafted is not one of those factors.

 

The only reason I'd even consider letting Mewhort walk as a free agent is because I don't like his knee issue. I don't have any kind of access to his medical information, but I could see it turning into a chronic condition, at which point his value and effectiveness plummets. I like him and think he's a good player, but I'd be very cautious before giving him a new contract.

 

Based solely on his play, he's worthy of a nice deal. 

[KB]

31 minutes ago, Superman said:

 

That's not how comp picks work. Whether you get a comp pick at all, and what kind of pick you get, depends on a variety of factors. Where the player was originally drafted is not one of those factors.

 

The only reason I'd even consider letting Mewhort walk as a free agent is because I don't like his knee issue. I don't have any kind of access to his medical information, but I could see it turning into a chronic condition, at which point his value and effectiveness plummets. I like him and think he's a good player, but I'd be very cautious before giving him a new contract.

 

Based solely on his play, he's worthy of a nice deal. 

Oh I figured it had to due with pick used, how well they play, and the size of the contract the other team gave them. Good to know. Thanks.

 

If there isn't a comp pick involved then letting him walk wouldn't have any gain. If he is healthy then pay the man.

 

BTW not saying anything bad about Mewhort. Just saying if we can get another decent guard in then getting a comp pick (or a trade for a pick) would be worth it to me. Big man with knee issues is not usually a good combo in the league. 

[Coffeedrinker]

Leave the line as is

 

AC, Mew, Kelly, Haeg and Clark

 

If a great RG falls to the Colts either via FA or the draft then move Haeg as the primary LT and RT back up and use good as the primary RG and LG back-up.

 

But if the Colts go into 2017 with the starting line listed above I would be comfortable with that and I'm sure so would Luck.

[Superman]

3 minutes ago, KB said:

Oh I figured it had to due with pick used, how well they play, and the size of the contract the other team gave them. Good to know. Thanks.

 

If there isn't a comp pick involved then letting him walk wouldn't have any gain. If he is healthy then pay the man.

 

BTW not saying anything bad about Mewhort. Just saying if we can get another decent guard in then getting a comp pick (or a trade for a pick) would be worth it to me. Big man with knee issues is not usually a good combo in the league. 

 

Comp factors include the size of the contract from the new team, and whether the player stays on the roster past Week 9(?) Also considered is how many qualifying players you lose vs how many qualifying players you gain. If you lose 2 players and gain 2 players, you won't get any comp picks. And of course, the earliest comp picks are at the end of the third round, so in this case, you're not going to get a pick that corresponds to where Mewhort was picked.

 

It would depend on how the Colts project the 2018 offseason going -- how much Mewhort would be worth, what other free agents they might be losing, what free agents they might pursue, what moves other teams make, etc. Then the comp pick would be awarded for the 2019 draft, if you even get one. The Colts will probably only have Mewhort, Moncrief and Davis up for new contracts in 2018, so I don't think they'll be projecting any comp picks for 2019. I personally don't expect them to be looking at their comp pick standing when they consider Mewhort's new contract. I could be wrong.