Rumor central -- Pagano and Grigson reports, 1/16 (merge)

[bababooey]

16 minutes ago, coltsleafs said:

I'm probably in the minority on this one but I really hope they don't bring in Mcdaniels if I have to watch dink dunk 3 yard passes all year just shoot me now lol 

Between TY, Dorsett, and Moncrief we probably have a WR trio that's top 5 in terms of speed and quickness and can get YAC. Idk about you but watching Brady do it for years and carving up defenses with whatever scrappy white guy, while not getting touched because the ball is out in under 2 seconds and giving his defense a break makes me want to do that here considering our inability to protect Luck.

[superrep1967]

1 hour ago, coltsleafs said:

The way this is all going down isn't right if your firing the guy let him know don't let  him dangle in wind like this.

 

Yeah, it wasn't handled well I agree with you on that no matter what happens.  

[coltsleafs]

Whatever I'm going to do like Irsay and go into a bunker for while can't stand some of the fans on here these days really embarrassing us as a fan base. Their are a lot of great fans on this site I think a lot of them are probably thinking the same thing as me right now. 

[Jackie Daytona]

you want exciting offense over all else, go watch New Orleans, 2nd in points, 1st in yards, 1st in passing yards, 16th in rushing yards.  21st of 32 in wins.

[bababooey]

Just now, coltsleafs said:

Whatever I'm going to do like Irsay and go into a bunker for while can't stand some of the fans on here these days really embarrassing us as a fan base. Their are a lot of great fans on this site I think a lot of them are probably thinking the same thing as me right now. 

There*

[Jackie Daytona]

1 minute ago, coltsleafs said:

Whatever I'm going to do like Irsay and go into a bunker for while can't stand some of the fans on here these days really embarrassing us as a fan base. Their are a lot of great fans on this site I think a lot of them are probably thinking the same thing as me right now. 

Regular season statistical truths are embarrassing our fanbase?  GTHOH  lol

[bababooey]

Just now, Shafty138 said:

you want exciting offense over all else, go watch New Orleans, 2nd in points, 1st in yards, 1st in passing yards, 16th in rushing yards.  21st of 32 in wins.

That's on the horrific defense though, offense is putting up points but defense (and PAT unit vs. Denver) deliver the L's.

[Jackie Daytona]

That poster seemed very concerned with exciting offense when considering coaches though.....  they never mentioned defense,  so I thought I was obliging them?

 

[ColtsBlueFL]

4 hours ago, PeterBowman said:

Pagano's a very good man and was great to help get the Colts started again....unfortunately he may not be what's needed to get the Colts to the next level consistently.

 

Exactly how I feel.  I think Pagano is not a bad coach.  OTOH, he is not a GOOD coach either.  The issue is, a poor replacement makes us worse off than before.  Mr. Irsay, if he is indeed going to fire Chuck, has to get this replcement HC more right than Ryan Grigson has to get his round 1 draft choice right.

 

If they both fail... you think the natives around here are riled up now...  

[BCoop]

2 minutes ago, BCoop said:

 

Have YOU watched them recently? 4th in yards and 3rd in PPG for the regular season. We were 10th and 8th respectively.

 

Don't mistake efficiency for lack of big play ability.

 

Also, Luck and Brady have nearly identical splits based on pass attempts by distance. 344/545 (63%) of Andrew's passes were 10 yards or less. 270/432 (63%) of Tom Brady's passes fit under the same criteria.

 

For passes 21 yards+, Luck had 45 attempts (8.3% of attempts) and Brady had 42 (9.7% of attempts).

 

For passes 10-20 yards, Luck had 106 attempts (19% of attempts) and Brady had 60 (14% of attempts).

 

If anything, Brady and the Patriots were more aggressive than the Colts by substituting some of those mid-range throws with longer attempts.

 

 

 

 

[krunk]

Brad Wells has no idea where the Pagano getting fired tommorow talk is coming from. Hes stated this on his twitter.

[chrisfarley]

1 hour ago, jvan1973 said:

Like who??

it was a pipe-dream... the "coached in the last three years" goes bye-bye real quick (that has to be extended back in time farther),,,,then looking at what Irsay would even consider, and they're locked up for multiple year contracts and one example has a losing record in PO's (arians for example... locked up till 2018 and playoffs 1-2 but has overall winning record)..... can't give up draft picks so that screws us farther into the ground.  So, since that was a failure at best, what do you think Irsay would consider? 

[Coltsman1788]

35 minutes ago, GoColts8818 said:

Finaclly yes but he would be a different kind of fool to stay when he knows the owner is looking to replace him.  With that said I doubt he does quit but if he did I wouldn't blame him that's all.  

Yeah...but a paid one.  A bigger fool quits and foregoes the money owed to him.  Regardless it's his perogative.  We both expect that he won't quit so let's just leave it at that.

[IndyD4U]

To only complicate things more, we have this. Shanahan is now the front runner for 9ers and McDaniels claims he's staying put

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000775180/article/falcons-oc-kyle-shanahan-the-favorite-for-49ers-job

[jvan1973]

4 minutes ago, chrisfarley said:

it was a pipe-dream... the "coached in the last three years" goes bye-bye real quick (that has to be extended back in time farther),,,,then looking at what Irsay would even consider, and they're locked up for multiple year contracts and one example has a losing record in PO's (arians for example... locked up till 2018 and playoffs 1-2 but has overall winning record)..... can't give up draft picks so that screws us farther into the ground.  So, since that was a failure at best, what do you think Irsay would consider? 

I stopped trying to guess what Irsay is thinking a long time ago.   I know he wants to win.  How he wants to get there,  I have no idea

[WoolMagnet]

4 hours ago, Majin Vegeta said:

My 12 year old pug has more sense than grigson.

 

Sure he does

[csmopar]

 

2 hours ago, chad hugo said:

what if jim really is done searching and promotes chud or philbin to become head coach ? 

Please no

2 hours ago, chrisfarley said:

good OC, not proven as a HC (sucked at Denver) not unlike Pagano when he came into the league....just don't think we can take the chance.  must get a HC in the NFL with a winning record and winning playoffs record that coached within the last 3 years.

Who is available?

2 hours ago, Coltsman1788 said:

I'm getting a sickening feeling that Irsay fires Pagano only to replace him with Mike "the quarterback killer" Shanahan.  Ugh.  Heard that Mike has been getting the coaching itch and has been cold calling teams.  I could see a desperate Jimmy thinking this would be a good move...seeing him as a "big name splash".  To be clear these are just my thoughts based on my best guess of the various rumors I've been reading online. No sources or anything just my fear of what might happen.

ugh

 

1 hour ago, Mr Clueless said:

If you guys are looking for a surprise turn of events, then how about this:

 

Pagano is fired, and Irsay introduces Gruden.

 

Wait, what?! Gruden? But he said no!

 

Of course he would say no in semi-public. The news broke, and he didn't wanna come back as a HC by showing public interest in a job that wasn't open. Hell no. So there was a leak about the conversation between Gruden and Irsay, and they had to cook something up in a hurry. Gruden denies - but not via a direct quote - and buys Irsay time to fire Pagano and start interviewing for the HC job. Now Gruden accepts and they can always spin it and something extra Irsay was giving him.

 

See, now I'm messing with your mind!

 

 

 

 

 

Totally unlikely but let us see if it is crazy enough to hit the rumor mill! 

that would be funny actually

[#12.]

If I were listing Colts problems, passing game efficiency would be about #27 or #28 on the list.

[NannyMcafee]

For 5 years this team has a problem with slow starts.  For 3 years we were able to come back and win a lot of those. For 2 years, we haven't been able to. As far as I'm concerned the only consistency this team has shown is come from behind wins. Comparing this staff with the staff that Peyton had is a complete insult. 

[bababooey]

3 minutes ago, NannyMcafee said:

For 5 years this team has a problem with slow starts.  For 3 years we were able to come back and win a lot of those. For 2 years, we haven't been able to. As far as I'm concerned the only consistency this team has shown is come from behind wins. Comparing this staff with the staff that Peyton had is a complete insult. 

They actually aren't consistent in one score games. They were heavily above the average in Luck's first three years and regressed to middle of the pack for the last two.

[buccolts]

19 minutes ago, IndyD4U said:

To only complicate things more, we have this. Shanahan is now the front runner for 9ers and McDaniels claims he's staying put

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000775180/article/falcons-oc-kyle-shanahan-the-favorite-for-49ers-job

 

Waiting for Kravitz to disown this.

[#12.]

I don't see McDaniels happening.

 

If Peyton is somehow still in play, I find McDaniels - the devil in Denver - highly unlikely.  In Denver, McDaniels is viewed as the guy who ran the organization into the ground, leaving Elway with that mess.  I doubt Manning's mentor, Elway, once in 4 years had a good word to say about McDaniels.

 

If Grigson stays, then you have the whole Deflategate fiasco in the mind of someone out of the Patriot organization, not to mention the constant Patriot beatdowns of Grigson constructed rosters.  

 

Josh:  What do you think, Bill, should I put my future in the hands of Ryan Grigson?

[Steamboat_Shaun]

53 minutes ago, coltsleafs said:

Honestly would rather watch our offense then the way the Pats offense is run it so boring have you watched them recently? Least with Gronk they had big play ability now their a snooze fest.

 

They didn't look great vs Houston on Saturday, but make no mistake, that offense is a well-oiled machine. 

[Colts1324]

4 hours ago, PeterBowman said:

Pagano's a very good man and was great to help get the Colts started again....unfortunately he may not be what's needed to get the Colts to the next level consistently.

I love Pagano as a person, but not as a coach. His first three years here I think he did better than expected. Wouldn't be surprised to see him get another gig if he wants it. Hope we get one of top guys! 

[chad hugo]

He's going to promote chud or philbin as HC. 

 

Calling it right now ! 

[jshipp23]

2 hours ago, Coltsman1788 said:

I'm getting a sickening feeling that Irsay fires Pagano only to replace him with Mike "the quarterback killer" Shanahan.  Ugh.  Heard that Mike has been getting the coaching itch and has been cold calling teams.  I could see a desperate Jimmy thinking this would be a good move...seeing him as a "big name splash".  To be clear these are just my thoughts based on my best guess of the various rumors I've been reading online. No sources or anything just my fear of what might happen.

Quarterback killer??? He won 2 Super Bowls with Elway who has the same skill set as Luck to a T, basically Luck is an Elway clone...His offensive blocking schemes always produce good running numbers and balance to the offense.He has taken many running backs late in the draft and made them pro bowlers like Terrell Davis and Alfred Morris. .He went to the playoffs with the likes of Jay Cutler, Jake Plummer, and RG 111...I wouldn't call him a QB killer at all..The situation in Washington was terrible he had a meddling owner forcing RG111 on him and he knew he wasn't gonna work he wanted Cousins...I think he would be a good fit for Luck and we would have a running game as well...He has been a coach in some form on 2 national championship college teams, 10 NFL conference Championships, and 6 Super Bowls so I think the dude can coach and has taught his son Kyle well...He is from the Bill Walsh coaching tree and runs the west coast offense which is what Luck ran in college...I would be fine with him or his son and a good DC like Gus Bradley..

[Jackie Daytona]

1 minute ago, chad hugo said:

He's going to promote chud or philbin as HC. 

 

Calling it right now ! 

THIS is what scares the heck out of me....... new HC, to appear like he is making "changes"  retain Grigson, and the new HC is loyal to Grigs because of the promotion..... please, dear god no.......

[corgi]

Just now, Shafty138 said:

THIS is what scares the heck out of me....... new HC, to appear like he is making "changes"  retain Grigson, and the new HC is loyal to Grigs because of the promotion..... please, dear god no.......

I don't think you go from courting Gruden to promoting one of those guys.

[Jackie Daytona]

Just now, corgi said:

I don't think you go from courting Gruden to promoting one of those guys.

I sure hope not, I'm kinda in a prepare for the worst, hope for the best mindset with this whole thing right now

[Luck is Good]

5 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

Quarterback killer??? He won 2 Super Bowls with Elway who has the same skill set as Luck to a T, basically Luck is an Elway clone...His offensive blocking schemes always produce good running numbers and balance to the offense.He has taken many running backs late in the draft and made them pro bowlers like Terrell Davis and Alfred Morris. .He went to the playoffs with the likes of Jay Cutler, Jake Plummer, and RG 111...I wouldn't call him a QB killer at all..The situation in Washington was terrible he had a meddling owner forcing RG111 on him and he knew he wasn't gonna work he wanted Cousins...I think he would be a good fit for Luck and we would have a running game as well...He has been a coach in some form on 2 national championship college teams, 10 NFL conference Championships, and 6 Super Bowls so I think the dude can coach and has taught his son Kyle well...He is from the Bill Walsh coaching tree and runs the west coast offense which is what Luck ran in college...I would be fine with him or his son and a good DC like Gus Bradley..

Mike wouldn't be worst case scenario but I would much rather have his son be the HC

[Coltsman1788]

8 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

Quarterback killer??? He won 2 Super Bowls with Elway who has the same skill set as Luck to a T, basically Luck is an Elway clone...His offensive blocking schemes always produce good running numbers and balance to the offense.He has taken many running backs late in the draft and made them pro bowlers like Terrell Davis and Alfred Morris. .He went to the playoffs with the likes of Jay Cutler, Jake Plummer, and RG 111...I wouldn't call him a QB killer at all..The situation in Washington was terrible he had a meddling owner forcing RG111 on him and he knew he wasn't gonna work he wanted Cousins...I think he would be a good fit for Luck and we would have a running game as well...He has been a coach in some form on 2 national championship college teams, 10 NFL conference Championships, and 6 Super Bowls so I think the dude can coach and has taught his son Kyle well...He is from the Bill Walsh coaching tree and runs the west coast offense which is what Luck ran in college...I would be fine with him or his son and a good DC like Gus Bradley..

Not sure Luck is an Elway clone.  They are a little different between the ears...at least for now.  But I get the comparisons.  The Denver days were quite some time ago and has been blotted in mind by the stench of his Washington days which I was exposed to second hand since the Redskins are a big deal where I'm from.  You make some interesting points though...if we end up hiring him as I fear may happen then I definitely hope you are closer to right than I am.  We would need to find our own version of Terrell Davis though.  Shanahan doesn't win jack with Elway without that kind of running game behind him.

[corgi]

7 minutes ago, Shafty138 said:

I sure hope not, I'm kinda in a prepare for the worst, hope for the best mindset with this whole thing right now

I don't think he will fire Pagano and promote from within. I don't think you should even worry about that. I could be wrong though.

[Luck is Good]

8 minutes ago, Coltsman1788 said:

Not sure Luck is an Elway clone.  They are a little different between the ears...at least for now.  But I get the comparisons.  The Denver days were quite some time ago and has been blotted in mind by the stench of his Washington days which I was exposed to second hand since the Redskins are a big deal where I'm from.  You make some interesting points though...if we end up hiring him as I fear may happen then I definitely hope you are closer to right than I am.  We would need to find our own version of Terrell Davis though.  Shanahan doesn't win jack with Elway without that kind of running game behind him.

Elway wouldn't have 1 SB championship without Terrell Davis. That guy was a monster

[Coltsman1788]

1 minute ago, Luck is Good said:

Elway wouldn't have 1 SB championship without Terrell Davis. That guy was a monster

No doubt.

[jshipp23]

9 minutes ago, Coltsman1788 said:

Not sure Luck is an Elway clone.  They are a little different between the ears...at least for now.  But I get the comparisons.  The Denver days were quite some time ago and has been blotted in mind by the stench of his Washington days which I was exposed to second hand since the Redskins are a big deal where I'm from.  You make some interesting points though...if we end up hiring him as I fear may happen then I definitely hope you are closer to right than I am.  We would need to find our own version of Terrell Davis though.  Shanahan doesn't win jack with Elway without that kind of running game behind him.

I just think he fits us..He is an offensive genius and even in his glory days at Denver I don't think he had the offensive talent to work with that we have..I think he could literally turn our offense into a machine...Pair him with a good DC and get some players on defense in the draft and free agency it could be magic...As far as Kyle goes Im not sure about a 1st time HC again, he is bound to make mistakes and I'm not sure the players would respect and fear him like his dad..

[Horse Shoe Heaven]

Pagano IMO is not the problem Grigson is a problem!!!

[Coltsman1788]

5 minutes ago, jshipp23 said:

I just think he fits us..He is an offensive genius and even in his glory days at Denver I don't think he had the offensive talent to work with that we have..I think he could literally turn our offense into a machine...Pair him with a good DC and get some players on defense in the draft and free agency it could be magic...As far as Kyle goes Im not sure about a 1st time HC again, he is bound to make mistakes and I'm not sure the players would respect and fear him like his dad..

I got you. Denver's O line and running game was better but Indy would have the edge in QB (since Luck is younger than Elway was at the time they won those Super Bowls) and receivers.

[jshipp23]

9 minutes ago, Luck is Good said:

Elway wouldn't have 1 SB championship without Terrell Davis. That guy was a monster

He might not have won , but Elway did go to 3 Super Bowls I believe without Terrell Davis..

[PeterBowman]

Just now, jshipp23 said:

He might not have won , but Elway did go to 4 Super Bowls I believe without Terrell Davis..

that he did....though having TD helped put them over the top.

[Luck is Good]

Just now, jshipp23 said:

He might not have won , but Elway did go to 4 Super Bowls I believe without Terrell Davis..

I thought it was 3 without Terrell. The last two he made with Terrell right?