Manusky: Yay or Nay?

[chad72]

Just now, OffensivelyPC said:

As far as replacing Manusky.  I'd like to see who's available before we axe him.  He's at least average to above average.  

 

Jim Schwartz is available.

[IinD]

There's almost no premier talent on our D and that's straight fact. For what he's had player wise, he's definitely not a glaring problem that's for sure.

 

Our O didn't help them at all this year and they finished .500, I think that's decent so I can't hate on the guy.

[Dustin]

2 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

Jim Schwartz is available.

 

As is Mike Pettine.

[OffensivelyPC]

4 minutes ago, chad72 said:

 

Jim Schwartz is available.

I like Schwartz as a DC, but doesn't he run more of a 4-3?

[Dustin]

I'm trying to see DC candidates with ties to Pagano, and the on that sticks out is Rob Ryan. Ryan was the DC in Oakland while Pagano was a DB coach.

 

Not that I would want that to necessarily happen. 

[OffensivelyPC]

12 minutes ago, Dustin said:

 

As is Mike Pettine.

Supes had mentioned him as well.  I'm not sure he doesn't get another HC gig.  He got hosed in Cleveland if you ask me.

[NewColtsFan]

 

Sheep!    SHEEP!!

 

Without numbers you can't figure out if today is Monday or Tuesday?  

 

SHEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Who are the players?      Who are the play MAKERS?       Who are the DIFFERENCE makers?

 

The Colts don't have them.       Take it up with Grigson!!

 

Manusky is good.       The Colts need way WAY more talent on that side of the ball!!

 

Screw the numbers.      Manusky has been doing it with smoke and mirrors since he got here.    It's glue and duct tape.      There's NOT enough talent on that side of the ball.      Too much time and money on the offense!

 

Think!

 

 

[Goatface Killah]

23 minutes ago, Dustin said:

I'm trying to see DC candidates with ties to Pagano, and the on that sticks out is Rob Ryan. Ryan was the DC in Oakland while Pagano was a DB coach.

 

Not that I would want that to necessarily happen. 

 

I am pretty sure Pettine worked alongside him in Baltimore.

[Dustin]

Just now, GoatBeard said:

 

I am pretty sure Pettine worked alongside him in Baltimore.

 

You are correct. Both were there in '08 as position coaches.

[Goatface Killah]

That is one guy I might be interested in if they decide to drop Manusky.

[BOTT]

Manusky is average. The collective talent on defense is below average.  I would give Pettine a ring.

[krunk]

I hope they do decide to bring on Pettine.  I'd be down for that.

[ztboiler]

59 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Sheep!    SHEEP!!

 

Without numbers you can't figure out if today is Monday or Tuesday?  

 

SHEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Who are the players?      Who are the play MAKERS?       Who are the DIFFERENCE makers?

 

The Colts don't have them.       Take it up with Grigson!!

 

Manusky is good.       The Colts need way WAY more talent on that side of the ball!!

 

Screw the numbers.      Manusky has been doing it with smoke and mirrors since he got here.    It's glue and duct tape.      There's NOT enough talent on that side of the ball.      Too much time and money on the offense!

 

Think!

 

 

Talent gap is valid and obvious logic in Manusky's defense....but that doesn't insulate him from the full assessment of his body of work.

[BrentMc11]

I never want to see the 4-3 again.....I love the 3/4 IF you have the manpower!

 

Sometimes I feel Manusky does not show up  Needs to play to win for 60 minutes.

[chad72]

1 hour ago, OffensivelyPC said:

I like Schwartz as a DC, but doesn't he run more of a 4-3?

 

When Schwartz coached the Bills in 2014, I remember them playing a 3-4. He ran a 4-3 in Tennessee and Detroit. So I am certain he can work with both.

[OffensivelyPC]

One of the complaints (still a complaint really) when he left the Bills and Rex coming in was that they went from a 3-4 under Pettine, to a 4-3 under Schwartz, back to a 3-4 with Rex.  I'm not sure of all the differences, but one of the things I didn't like about Schwartz was his reluctance to blitz and instead use 4 rushers most the time.  That's fine if you have 4 guys who are good enough to constantly get pressure on the QB, but that doesn't describe the colts.  

[Cynjin]

If they have a better option then fine, but until they get a couple of difference makers on defense (rush LB) I'm not sure much will change.

[NewColtsFan]

12 minutes ago, ztboiler said:

Talent gap is valid and obvious logic in Manusky's defense....but that doesn't insulate him from the full assessment of his body of work.

 

OK......

 

So do I take it that you're for a change at DC then?

[TDewar1987]

50 minutes ago, krunk said:

I hope they do decide to bring on Pettine.  I'd be down for that.

I was kind of thinking the same thing if they decide to look beyond Manusky. 

[SilentHill]

He makes ZERO adjustments in games, which is why we get blown out against good teams. His mantra is "This is my gameplan and we are going to stick to it" He should have been shown the door after that BLOWOUT loss in NE in the AFC Championship game, how anyone can stick up for him and support him is beyond comprehension. Sure we're not playing with a full deck, but at least try to hide the weaknesses instead of intentionally exposinng them for the other team.

[jbaron04]

3 hours ago, bababooey said:

NAY NAY

All In favor of manusky meet mr. Mayhem lol 

[SilentHill]

28 minutes ago, Cynjin said:

If they have a better option then fine, but until they get a couple of difference makers on defense (rush LB) I'm not sure much will change.

 

My grandmother is a better option.

[Cynjin]

Just now, SilentHill said:

 

My grandmother is a better option.

 

No offense to Grandma, but I doubt it.

[SilentHill]

1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Sheep!    SHEEP!!

 

Without numbers you can't figure out if today is Monday or Tuesday?  

 

SHEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Who are the players?      Who are the play MAKERS?       Who are the DIFFERENCE makers?

 

The Colts don't have them.       Take it up with Grigson!!

 

Manusky is good.       The Colts need way WAY more talent on that side of the ball!!

 

Screw the numbers.      Manusky has been doing it with smoke and mirrors since he got here.    It's glue and duct tape.      There's NOT enough talent on that side of the ball.      Too much time and money on the offense!

 

Think!

 

 

 

Manusky is good?

 

Dear god....

 

Just read this about his tenure in SD and how he ruined the then #1 defense in the NFL

 

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1295186-san-diego-chargers-defense-liberated-from-former-coordinator-greg-manusky

[SilentHill]

Also, FWIW, a change at DC is not likely, In doing research of Manusky, as it turns out, he is very close to the Pagano family, going as far as saying himself and John Pagano were brothers, I'm sure now that Pagano won't fire Manusky with his rose colored glasses on, if he was really treating this like a professional business he wouldn't have been the DC in 2015 let alone 2016.

[will426]

Well for one last couple years there have been TWO teams we've looked terrible against steelers and pats and he's had a lot of tires against them and his game plan always seems the same. Even this year when we played the pats he was playing smart till 1 player went down then he decided oh let's play zone and not bracket gronk anymore and then gronk explodes on us 

[MTC]

There is no way he's fired.

[Bluefire4]

No pass rush help and turnovers by the offense lead to some of the ppg and ypg problems. I'd give him another year. Grigson needs to give Chud offensive line help and Manusky pass rushers.

[Coltswarriors]

He's been fired, according to Ian Rapoport.

[Dustin]

23 minutes ago, MTC said:

There is no way he's fired.

 

I agree.

 

Edit: I disagree

[CHR_11]

I just got a notification from BR and theScore saying he is gone!!!!

[Superman]

3 hours ago, OffensivelyPC said:

Yeah, that's the real issue I have with Manusky.  The Steelers game was probably the worst case against Manusky from that perspective, and it happened twice.  We had our hands full to begin with, but we basically went in and did the same darn thing we did last year.  Might as well have just saved everyones legs on both teams and replayed the first game and call it a day.

 

Same results, different gameplan. Both times undermined by Greg Toler's badness.

[Pelt]

But I just voted... lol

 

Bye bye Manusky

[Superman]

2 minutes ago, Dustin said:

 

I agree.

 

Edit: I disagree

 

LOL

[MTC]

28 minutes ago, MTC said:

There is no way he's fired.

 

Wrong as always MTC.

[ztboiler]

1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

OK......

 

So do I take it that you're for a change at DC then?

My expectation is that he will be retained....but I think there is a valid case for and against as stated earlier in the topic.  The deficiencies in coverage gameplanning and coverage adjustments are hard to ignore for me, however.

 

I hate to ever reduce it to one moment, but the decisive moment to me was the Steelers game.  You have to at least take something away from a great offense.  We made no attempt - back to back years.  That's a poor reflection.

[Jason_]

2 hours ago, SilentHill said:

Also, FWIW, a change at DC is not likely, In doing research of Manusky, as it turns out, he is very close to the Pagano family, going as far as saying himself and John Pagano were brothers, I'm sure now that Pagano won't fire Manusky with his rose colored glasses on, if he was really treating this like a professional business he wouldn't have been the DC in 2015 let alone 2016.

 

what was that?

[SilentHill]

29 minutes ago, Jason_S said:

 

what was that?

 

I was proven wrong, thank god. 

[VaAllDay757]

20% would keep manusky? Lol fools lol

[DougDew]

Is it too late to vote nay?