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Andrew Luck vs RGIII. This should settle things among those who don't know which to chose

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I know many of you are sick of this topic. If that is so then don't read this thread, or listen to the following link.

This is not a knock at RGII either for those who may think I am trying to make Luck seem better. This is nothing against RGIII who has also been impressive. But I'm tired of everyone saying RGIII is the better QB and the stats speak for themselves blah blah blah. I know what I've seen in Luck and anyone who knows QBs sees how impressive and under rated luck has been this year.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8796005

This should settle things.

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As an unbiased Colts fan I think otherwise. I don't feel Luck was the better QB. Just my opinion..

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I know many of you are sick of this topic. If that is so then don't read this thread, or listen to the following link.

This is not a knock at RGII either for those who may think I am trying to make Luck seem better. This is nothing against RGIII who has also been impressive. But I'm tired of everyone saying RGIII is the better QB and the stats speak for themselves blah blah blah. I know what I've seen in Luck and anyone who knows QBs sees how impressive and under rated luck has been this year.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8796005

This should settle things.

You saying "this should settle things" is funny. The fact is real simple - if someone thinks Luck is better, a reasonable argument can be made to support that. But the exact same argument could be made for RG111 or even Wilson for that matter. There is no definitve right answer.

That may not settle things but it is certainly a more reasonable point.

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Could Andrew Luck play in a college style option offense with a power running game, a big successful RB, and a short play action style passing game? If Luck played in this kind of offense would he be successful and would his stats be very different (read better)? Could Luck run Washington's offense? Yes, yes, and yes. Could RG 3 play in a high risk, big chunk passing offensive, where early in the season he sometimes had to pass 40-50 times in a game to have a chance at winning, behind a sub standard offensive line under constant pressure, with Rb's that had to make yardage thru thin holes? Would RG 3's stats look different in this type of offense (read worse)? Could RG 3 run the Colts/BA offensive system? Would RG 3 run the Colts offense better than Andrew? Maybe, yes, maybe, no.

Bottom line here's is what i am convinced of, NOBODY could have run the Colts offense better than Andrew did this year.

Here's what I suspect, a college read option offense run by a pro team is a passing phase and the success of that offense will pass as pro defenses get the opportunity to defend it more (like the Wildcat). By keeping RG 3 in a "mickey mouse" college offense for short term success the Redskins are limiting RG 3's growth and potential as a QB.

Let's compare Luck and RG3 is like comparing Apples and Oranges. My response is let's not.

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As an unbiased Colts fan I think otherwise. I don't feel Luck was the better QB. Just my opinion..

 

yes, noticed your distaste for luck all season long. noted...

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You saying "this should settle things" is funny. The fact is real simple - if someone thinks Luck is better, a reasonable argument can be made to support that. But the exact same argument could be made for RG111 or even Wilson for that matter. There is no definitve right answer.

That may not settle things but it is certainly a more reasonable point.

Very good point. I don't want to jump the gun here but with Luck, RG3, Wilson and a couple of the other rookie qB's that started most of the season it really reminds me of 83 draft. This group has a long way to go yet to be in that company but when you look at these guys vs Elway, Marino, Kelly and Ken O'brien this group has a chance to be just at impressive. All of these guys can run as well as throw.

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Its amazing that there are really 4 rookies that could be put in this year for ROY and you can make a solid case for each.

 

One thing I think that is being overlooked.

 

If RG3 lost his head coach for 12 games, would there even be a contest that its not rg3?

 

Remember we were expansion level at the start of the season.  New head coach, new OC,DC,STC.  Quite a turnaround.  I am happy for that, if Luck wins the ROY thats great if not we had a great year.  A strong case for rg3 is though that his team won its division.

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Its amazing that there are really 4 rookies that could be put in this year for ROY and you can make a solid case for each.

One thing I think that is being overlooked.

If RG3 lost his head coach for 12 games, would there even be a contest that its not rg3?

Remember we were expansion level at the start of the season. New head coach, new OC,DC,STC. Quite a turnaround. I am happy for that, if Luck wins the ROY thats great if not we had a great year. A strong case for rg3 is though that his team won its division.

that might be a good point but you could turn that around to amount to nothing. One hand I have an inconsistent cowboys team, and a depleted giants team do i even need to describe the eagles. Also the fact that nfc east was handed to them by tony nomo doesn't help either. Bottom line nfc east is highly overrated

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yes, noticed your distaste for luck all season long. noted...

Good, keep those "notes" going.. Here's to hoping he doesn't throw us out of the game Sunday..

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Lost in discussion is the fact that the Colts were hoping to have their one and only young promising offensive weapon in the fold for Luck.  Ironically, Pierre Garcon bolted to the Redskins.    

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Good, keep those "notes" going.. Here's to hoping he doesn't throw us out of the game Sunday..

 

You speak as if he's not the most contributing factor as to why we are in the playoffs to begin with... 

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As an unbiased Colts fan I think otherwise. I don't feel Luck was the better QB. Just my opinion..

Same here. Another Colts fan here who thinks that Luck wasn't the best rookie QB and was a little over hyped.

But who cares. We are in the playoffs!

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As an unbiased Colts fan I think otherwise. I don't feel Luck was the better QB. Just my opinion..

 

Question for you.  If the Colts had to do the 2012 draft all over again, do you think they would change their pick of Luck?

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I know many of you are sick of this topic. If that is so then don't read this thread, or listen to the following link.

This is not a knock at RGII either for those who may think I am trying to make Luck seem better. This is nothing against RGIII who has also been impressive. But I'm tired of everyone saying RGIII is the better QB and the stats speak for themselves blah blah blah. I know what I've seen in Luck and anyone who knows QBs sees how impressive and under rated luck has been this year.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8796005

This should settle things.

 

 How long have we been having the Manning/Brady debate?

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You speak as if he's not the most contributing factor as to why we are in the playoffs to begin with... 

 

He's not. The defense only allowing 18.2 points a game in the Colts' 11 victories is. Throw out the Lions game where interceptasaurus totally wet the bed and it's even lower...I see a scrappy defense that prevents turnovers from turning into points and a QB that has more in common with Mark Sanchez than Pey Pey.

 

Another thing, not a single person at Sports Illustrated picked Luck to be ROTY. 5 picked Griffin and 3 picked Wilson.

 

Enjoy:

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20121231/nfl-awards-2012/

 

The real question Colts' fans need to be asking is "who's head is on the chopping block for blowing the first overall pick?"

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He's not. The defense only allowing 18.2 points a game in the Colts' 11 victories is. Throw out the Lions game where interceptasaurus totally wet the bed and it's even lower...I see a scrappy defense that prevents turnovers from turning into points and a QB that has more in common with Mark Sanchez than Pey Pey.

Another thing, not a single person at Sports Illustrated picked Luck to be ROTY. 5 picked Griffin and 3 picked Wilson.

Enjoy:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20121231/nfl-awards-2012/

The real question Colts' fans need to be asking is "who's head is on the chopping block for blowing the first overall pick?"

"Blowing the 1st Overall Pick" <---- *Sigh*

:facepalm:

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"Blowing the 1st Overall Pick" <---- *Sigh*

:facepalm:

 

Grigson missed on the greatest rookie quarterback of all time. Heads should roll. To the guy below, the Colts' opponents more than likely looked past them on a routine basis.

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Here a counter point for people who say we just had a weak schedule, Luck has better stats against playoff bound teams, much better. He has twice as many TDs as INTs(14-7 I think, don't remember the exact numbers) but against non playoff teams its nearly even (9-11?) completion % is slightly better. FJC where are ya?

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He's not. The defense only allowing 18.2 points a game in the Colts' 11 victories is. Throw out the Lions game where interceptasaurus totally wet the bed and it's even lower...I see a scrappy defense that prevents turnovers from turning into points and a QB that has more in common with Mark Sanchez than Pey Pey.

Another thing, not a single person at Sports Illustrated picked Luck to be ROTY. 5 picked Griffin and 3 picked Wilson.

Enjoy:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20121231/nfl-awards-2012/

The real question Colts' fans need to be asking is "who's head is on the chopping block for blowing the first overall pick?"

O'rly ? : /

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He's not. The defense only allowing 18.2 points a game in the Colts' 11 victories is. Throw out the Lions game where interceptasaurus totally wet the bed and it's even lower...I see a scrappy defense that prevents turnovers from turning into points and a QB that has more in common with Mark Sanchez than Pey Pey.

 

Another thing, not a single person at Sports Illustrated picked Luck to be ROTY. 5 picked Griffin and 3 picked Wilson.

 

Enjoy:

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20121231/nfl-awards-2012/

 

The real question Colts' fans need to be asking is "who's head is on the chopping block for blowing the first overall pick?"

 

 

Okay, I can understand you thinking RG3 may be a bit better than Luck was this year, but really?  This is just plain trolling here.  Andrew Luck was not a miss (so far) by any means.  This kind of statement is completely ridiculous and just plain silly.

 

 

Come on, man....

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Luck is better and I'm not sure it's close, but this topic is so boring at this point....

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The real question Colts' fans need to be asking is "who's head is on the chopping block for blowing the first overall pick?"

 

lmao! yes. He's breaking too many records and getting us into the playoffs too early! Man he sucks! HEADS WILL ROLL I TELL YOU!!! Should have kept Painter around.

 

He's not. The defense only allowing 18.2 points a game in the Colts' 11 victories is. Throw out the Lions game where interceptasaurus totally wet the bed and it's even lower...I see a scrappy defense that prevents turnovers from turning into points and a QB that has more in common with Mark Sanchez than Pey Pey.

 

Another thing, not a single person at Sports Illustrated picked Luck to be ROTY. 5 picked Griffin and 3 picked Wilson.

 

Enjoy:

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20121231/nfl-awards-2012/

 

I think the more telling stat is that the defense allowed 37.2 points per game in the 5 that they lost. Pretty nice to have that 18.2 points per game stat when 8 of those games are against offenses that are in the bottom 20 of average points per game.

 

You keep glorifying a bad defense and that's fine...but they allow 374.2 (26th) yards a game. The offense puts up 362.4 (10th) per game. That's bad for a team when your defense allows more yards than the offense gains. However, Mr. Luck has tied an NFL record of 7 game winning drives to make up for that terrible point differential (-30). 

 

Luck is the reason they are in the playoffs and he is the most important rookie QB of their respective teams. Am I supposed to be moved by SI writers not picking Luck? They do the same thing everyone else does. Look at QB ratings and pick the guy who has the highest percentage. It clearly benefits those in a dink and dunk offense. They don't consider the state of the team without the player, what amount of total offense the rookie contributes or WINS apparently.

 

RG3 can only take credit for 8.5 wins this season and that's with a RB that ran for 50.4% of what he threw! If you want a parallel, Donald Brown and Vick Ballard's yards COMBINED only stack up to 28.1% against Luck's production through the air. Wilson is a similar story to Griffin, with a helping hand in Marshawn Lynch who had 50.9% against his QB's numbers. 

 

That's what it's all about for me. Who couldn't do it without their QB's? The clear answer is Indianapolis. Given the state they were in last year and where they are today...he's the ROY. Although, I'd put Alfred Morris as a close second. 

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Why can't we just let this die? Washington has their guy, we have ours. Both picks worked out for each team. Every time we start a thread like this it just brings out the trolls. I am happy as a fan with our QB that can control the offense and beat you with his arm and legs. If Washington is happy with their QB handing off to Morris 30 times a game(like the game against the mighty Cowboys), so be it ;) . Sorry, I couldn't resist lol..

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1 ) Its amazing that there are really 4 rookies that could be put in this year for ROY and you can make a solid case for each.

 

One thing I think that is being overlooked.

 

2 ) If RG3 lost his head coach for 12 games, would there even be a contest that its not rg3?

 

3) Remember we were expansion level at the start of the season.  New head coach, new OC,DC,STC.  Quite a turnaround.  I am happy for that, if Luck wins the ROY thats great if not we had a great year.  A strong case for rg3 is though that his team won its division.

1 ) It is a different NFL. The gave of football has evolved. High School QB's are running no-huddle offenses, some with the QB calling the plays. They are more advanced for their time in college, then they grow and become more advanced for their NFL careers. It's a far different world than say even 10 years ago.

 

2 ) That is a fair point in theory, but I believe it has it's flaws. To me Luck would have been affected more in a negative way if it would have been Arians with the illness as opposed to Pagano. RG3 no doubt would have had his development stunted if Shanahan had faced what Pagano has, but a lot of that in my opinion is because Mike is more hands on with the offense than Chuck is with the offense here. He has an offensive background, so there is no doubt it would affect a QB more in that scenario which is different from Andrew.  With that said, the QB/team/assistants/staff/etc have done a commendable job dealing with that issue.  While it is a huge negative for Pagano personally, and thankfully he has returned and his illness is in remission, I believe it has given the team a bit of edge, and by edge I don't really mean a benefit vs. other teams, but more of an edge from an attitude/inspiration perspective.

 

3 ) While some guys were discarded, I saw nothing of an expansion teams. The last 4(Houston, Cleveland, Jacksonville/Carolina), none of them had a Reggie Wayne, or an Austin Collie(though he didn't play much), or the Freeney/Mathis/Bethea/. There was "turnover" that mimicked an expansion team to a point, but to me the talent level that remained in place from last year far exceeded the typical expansion team. 

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You speak as if he's not the most contributing factor as to why we are in the playoffs to begin with... 

 

Nope I don't believe he is... I don't look at QB's as "pitchers"...

 

 

 

I think the more telling stat is that the defense allowed 37.2 points per game in the 5 that they lost. Pretty nice to have that 18.2 points per game stat when 8 of those games are against offenses that are in the bottom 20 of average points per game.

 

Those 5 losses included the largest chunk of Lucks turnovers... A defense is going to be affected by their offense giving the opposing offense an extra 3-5 possessions a game. Granted our defense could have helped out in return but its hard to get QB's to throw to our DB's much like our QB was to theirs.

 

Well the offense really only faced 2 "good" defenses honestly (Chi and Hou) and 3 "decent" defenses (NE, Minn, GB)

 

 

You keep glorifying a bad defense and that's fine...but they allow 374.2 (26th) yards a game. The offense puts up 362.4 (10th) per game. That's bad for a team when your defense allows more yards than the offense gains. However, Mr. Luck has tied an NFL record of 7 game winning drives to make up for that terrible point differential (-30). 

 

Yards don't win games, POINTS do. The KC game and this last Houston game showed that. Without a doubt Luck did a good job of bringing the team back when for the most part it was him putting us behind. 

 

 

 

 It clearly benefits those in a dink and dunk offense. They don't consider the state of the team without the player, what amount of total offense the rookie contributes or WINS apparently.

 

Its called EFFICIENCY.. Why take away from a player who played the game smart yet gloat about another who has a serious issue with staring down receivers and throwing into double and triple coverage instead of taking what the defense gives him? Although I will admit, after going to the game last weekend, Luck is starting look at his checkdowns more, but I just find it rather odd its taken him this long to do it.

 

THAT dink and dunk offense... 27pts/g

 

Arians offense... 22pts/g

 

 

That's what it's all about for me. Who couldn't do it without their QB's? The clear answer is Indianapolis. Given the state they were in last year and where they are today...he's the ROY. Although, I'd put Alfred Morris as a close second

 

You think Washington, having one of the worst rushing games last year, could put Alfred Morris in the backfield behind Rex Grossman and have the season he's having this year with Griffin?

 

In the game with Kirk Cousins as the starter against Cleveland... Morris - 27 carries 87 yards(3.2 avg)

 

In our game against Cleveland... Ballard - 20 carries 84 yards (4.2 avg)

 

Griffin makes that offense go just as much as Luck makes ours go and I have no doubts that if Ballard and Morris were to switch spots, Ballard would have 1500+ yards. 

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1.  Andrew Luck, best #1 pick by anybody in a long time.

2.  Ryan Grigson, already one of best GM's in league.

3.  Jim Irsay, great owner on all cards, even choice of music.

4.  Intire coaching staff, so far, A grade.

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Nope I don't believe he is... I don't look at QB's as "pitchers".... 

Fair enough. So, is it the bottom 20 run game, bottom 20 defense or bottom 20 offensive line that makes you think that the 10th best passing attack in the league is not the reason for the playoff berth?

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It was a once in a generation talent pool at the position of QB, in fact we haven't seen the end of this talent pool either as I'm sure in the next few years we'll see others from this draft producing well at an NFL leve.

 

Seattle was very very fortunate, and the Colts and Skins are both going to be set for a long long time at the positon. Its really a matter of personal opinion at some point. There are people who like numbers, some like what they see on the field.

 

Its a different league. The spread option is the future of the NFL and guys like Kaepernick, Wilson and RG3 are going to be commonplace. Like FJC said, these kids are running no huddles in highschool. You also have the texas 12v 12 passing only leagues....Most of Mannings records will be shattered in the next two decades, believe me.

 

I'm wondering if Grigs had Wilson on his radar and if so what moves would he have made if he was our GM last year.

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You saying "this should settle things" is funny. The fact is real simple - if someone thinks Luck is better, a reasonable argument can be made to support that. But the exact same argument could be made for RG111 or even Wilson for that matter. There is no definitve right answer.

That may not settle things but it is certainly a more reasonable point.

 

I like Andrew Luck better. My Colts.....My Quarterback.....

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Regardless if RG3 has only 2 reads or whatnot he still has to execute them, plus he has made plays with his legs. I agree Luck has done more with less but this isn't MVP. Not sure why people care that much about it. The best qb to win ROTY was Roethlisberger. Even Vince Young won it. Really doesn't mean that much.

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I like Andrew Luck better. My Colts.....My Quarterback.....

 

See that is the basis for this argument.  Redskins fans would say the exact same thing and that is why this is comical debate to have.

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All three QBs are very, very good and will probably have very illustrious careers, especially Luck and Griffin. I'm happy enough with that, without bickering over which has the edge, even though an objective argument can't be made after just rookie seasons in completely different situations. 

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See that is the basis for this argument.  Redskins fans would say the exact same thing and that is why this is comical debate to have.

 

I agree! I'm not saying RG3 is not amazing, he actually scares me with that offense, it appears to have no weakness, but I like Luck better because he plays for my team, not taking anything away from Robert at all.

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1 ) It is a different NFL. The gave of football has evolved. High School QB's are running no-huddle offenses, some with the QB calling the plays. They are more advanced for their time in college, then they grow and become more advanced for their NFL careers. It's a far different world than say even 10 years ago.

 

2 ) That is a fair point in theory, but I believe it has it's flaws. To me Luck would have been affected more in a negative way if it would have been Arians with the illness as opposed to Pagano. RG3 no doubt would have had his development stunted if Shanahan had faced what Pagano has, but a lot of that in my opinion is because Mike is more hands on with the offense than Chuck is with the offense here. He has an offensive background, so there is no doubt it would affect a QB more in that scenario which is different from Andrew.  With that said, the QB/team/assistants/staff/etc have done a commendable job dealing with that issue.  While it is a huge negative for Pagano personally, and thankfully he has returned and his illness is in remission, I believe it has given the team a bit of edge, and by edge I don't really mean a benefit vs. other teams, but more of an edge from an attitude/inspiration perspective.

 

3 ) While some guys were discarded, I saw nothing of an expansion teams. The last 4(Houston, Cleveland, Jacksonville/Carolina), none of them had a Reggie Wayne, or an Austin Collie(though he didn't play much), or the Freeney/Mathis/Bethea/. There was "turnover" that mimicked an expansion team to a point, but to me the talent level that remained in place from last year far exceeded the typical expansion team. 

I saw nothing of an expansion team either, the pundits were calling it so.

My point on RG3 about if he lost his head coach was in regards to the media love for him. They would be brining that up and thus it wouldn't even be a debate that RG3 was the ROY.

Don't get me wrong I would like to see Luck get it. But in all honesty I think RG3 gets it even though he has missed a game and couldn't finish another. To me the ROY needs to be there for his team all season so I would consider MOrris, Wilson, or Luck over RG3. Problem is though... RG3 has had more primetime games and people who vote will watch primetime games and highlights and thats about it.

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I saw nothing of an expansion team either, the pundits were calling it so.

My point on RG3 about if he lost his head coach was in regards to the media love for him. They would be brining that up and thus it wouldn't even be a debate that RG3 was the ROY.

Don't get me wrong I would like to see Luck get it. But in all honesty I think RG3 gets it even though he has missed a game and couldn't finish another. To me the ROY needs to be there for his team all season so I would consider MOrris, Wilson, or Luck over RG3. Problem is though... RG3 has had more primetime games and people who vote will watch primetime games and highlights and thats about it.

 

True, some were.

 

If Pagano was an offensive-minded coach, then I think that bullet point would be raised even more than it has been in connection with Luck. I've seen the Pagano's Illness used quite a bit as an arguing point for Luck to win it. If Pagano was as hands on with the offense as Shanahan then it would be amplified more than it is.

 

In another thread. I made the suggestion that the NFL needs a most valuable rookie so that the rookie awards fall in line with the MVP/OPOY/DPOY. As it stands now, in my opinion the OROY & DROY are more in line with the OPOY & DPOY than they are with MVP. A case could be made for those 4 guys, and to a lesser extent maybe Doug Martin. He had that huge game but Morris was the more consistent back of that class. With Morris & RGIII along with the maneuvering to get RGIII, and attempting to replace some of the picks is one reason I could make an argument for their GM as EOY. He's not going to win it, that will go to Grigson and deservedly. This year has been a fairly unique year where there can be a lot of arguments made for most of these awards. 

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*Reads Tim Hasselback* *Closes window*

 

What has he done, another than bag an okay looking wife?

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Regardless if RG3 has only 2 reads or whatnot he still has to execute them, plus he has made plays with his legs. I agree Luck has done more with less but this isn't MVP. Not sure why people care that much about it. The best qb to win ROTY was Roethlisberger. Even Vince Young won it. Really doesn't mean that much.

Definitely agree....

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*Reads Tim Hasselback* *Closes window*

What has he done, another than bag an okay looking wife?

His brother was pretty good once

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      Thought I'd start a thread to gauge your comfort level at each position with the starters and depth. You can do this however you want to, I'll be ranking them and explaining my thought process.    1. ST   Vinatieri, Boomstick, Overton, best combo in the league probably. Our ST has usually ranked pretty well over the years in the Grigson era, which is a welcome change from the manning years when they were a liability.   2. DL   Surprise Surprise! I feel very comfortable with our DL group, starters and depth, assuming everyone gets through healthy. No superstars but Langford, Parry, Jones, Ridgeway, Mcgill, Kerr is a very, very solid rotation. Not to mention we'll get back our defensive MVP (in my eyes) Anderson at some point in the season. It's penetrative, disruptive and our biggest strength on defense. What a difference a year makes from when the pats just ran over chapman.   3. QB   If the past year didn't happen, this is automatically number 1, even with the lack of depth. Obviously I believe Luck will be back with a vengeance, but the proof will have to be in the pudding. I don't know enough about Tolzien to make an informed judgement, obviously his stats leave a lot to be desired. But he has great potential from talking to some packer fans and by all accounts he's a grinder.    4. OL   Could be ranked higher based on potential, but until the whole package manifests on the field, no. 4 is where they belong. Have great hopes with Philbin at the helm, and I think this will be the most tightly contested position group during training camp. Expecting Castanzo Mewhort Kelly Thornton Reitz to start. That's a good group. Depth is great as well, our 2nd team OL would read Clark Harrison Blythe Haeg Good. I'm actually comfortable putting that lineup in front of a QB. Obviously there's development needed with the rookies, but the future looks bright.   5. ILB   Another surprise pick. No superstars, but I like the quality of the depth. Jackson, Irving start with Moore, Morrison backing up. Mcnary has been solid in special teams and decent in spot duty.   6. WR   Like I said with the DL, what a difference a year makes! One of our strongest and deepest position groups last year suddenly has poor depth. Starters are still among the strongest in the league, definitely the fastest, but if any one of Hilton, Moncrief and Dorsett get injured for any significant period, we end up with the untested Bray, Tyms, Boyce, etc. An UDFA or two may make it, but in a young group where Hilton is the vet, I'll have my questions. Would love for another vet addition such as Boldin, who would definitely ease my mind depth wise.   7. TE   Allen and Doyle are solid, but after that? tons of potential but untested. Time for Swoope to step up. Griswold and Miller have flashed, we'll see where they go from here.   8. RB   Frank the tank. Turbin has bounced around numerous times, you would think he'd have found a home by now, and thinking he'll stick around here is highly optimistic. I hope he does, of course, but that's a different story. Varga flashed, but I don't think he's an answer to our RB questions long-term. I personally hope Ferguson makes it, rooting for that kid.    9. S   Pops adams is a beast. Geathers had many bright spots last year, and I hope he continues his development.. Green is a year away at least before taking up reins but his ceiling is super high. Winston guy's role is ST and I don't think it'll ever evolve past that at this point. Depth is lacking and I wish we had colt anderson who was good in spot duty last year.      10. CB   Very uncomfortable with our starters. Davis will do this thing, but I'm not happy with Robinson on the outside at all. I don't think he's an upgrade over Toler, who himself was miserable last year. Butler's getting up there in age and while decent at nickel, is simply atrocious on the outside. Smith seems to have a way to go before competing for starter snaps, and while depth seems good on paper with Tevin Mitchell, Jalil Brown, Williams, etc etc, simply the difficulty of the position mandates some discomfort, especially when said talent is unproven. Our scheme demands a lot from our corners, we aren't the panthers where you can stick a long body in there and have success.   11. OLB    I don't think I need to say much here. Rob Mathis has to have close to a career year, and our UDFAs better step up or I call a few blowouts. If we can't affect QBs, the defense doesn't get very far. Monachino will have to scheme hard.
    • Colts' Scouts: What they liked about LeRaven Clark....
      Prospects are not rated simply as Day 3 prospects.   Fans might do that....    bad draft analysis might do that.      But scouts and teams sure will.   They'll give him a grade so decision makers like Grigson & Pagano have some idea when a player should be drafted.     You don't want to be taking a R7 guy in the 4th Round and simply say....   "he was a day 3 prospects"   Understanding where players are properly evaluated helps teams get the most out of a draft.  
    • Colts' Scouts: What they liked about LeRaven Clark....
      Clark did not go a round too high.      Did someone here really say that?  (Yes, it turns out it was Gavin....)    Then they don't know the draft at all.   If Clark did go in the wrong round he should've gone in the 2nd,  and not the 3rd.     But certainly NOT in the 4th.   He has enough raw tools to justify a top-100 pick.     He went 82nd.      He went in just the right spot.  
    • 2015-2016 Indiana Pacers (And rest of the NBA) Season
      Maybe becuase the Thunder have had so many cances to win a Title over the years and if they lose Monday who knows?
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      Hello my Name is Robin. And i'm from Denmark. even though i've been member on this forum for a long time, and the old one as well. I would like to Introduce myself. I became a Colts fan in 2007, when I watched my first NFL game. My brother introduced me to NFL, the superbowl between Colts & Bears, And as we all know the Bears scored first, so I had to rude for the "underdogs".. and from that day on I was hooked. I've watched every game since, even the primetime games, that starts 2:30 in Denmark, it's a long day working with no sleep but damn its worth it. Can't wait for my next big Colts adventure, when I get to see them playing in London 
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