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I don't see the hype. I could see them going 8 and 8 next year and being the laughing stock of the league again.

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On paper the Browns have the look of a team that could win 10-12 games.

 

They have not played together and it is only a paper exercise until they prove it.

 

That being said, Baker Mayfield looks like the real deal.

 

Their OL is solid. If the right side of the line holds up they will be above average there.

 

They have crazy offensive skill position firepower. Beckham, Landry, Callaway, Njoku, Chubb, Hunt, Duke Johnson.

 

Their offense could be scary if the gel.

 

Defensively they look pretty well stacked too.

 

A D-Line featuring Myles Garrett, Sheldon Richardson and Olivier Vernon could be great if they all perform up to their capabilities.

 

Kirksey and Schobert are solid LBs.

 

And their secondary is talented as heck.

 

Ward, Greedy, Burnett and Randall make for a nice group.

 

Again, they have yet to play together so it is all projection. But there is talent all across the board on this team.

 

Combine that with the Ravens rebuilding on the fly and the Steelers playing without Bell and Brown for an entire season and the Bengals being the Bengals and all of the sudden you have a team that could go something like 4-2 or 5-1 in their division.

 

If they can split with the Steelers and the Ravens, they could easily reach 10 wins

 

Potential wins: Ravens, Steelers, Bengals (2), Jets, 49ers, Broncos, Bills, Dolphins, Cardinals

Potential losses: Ravens, Steelers, Patriots, Seahawks, Titans, Rams

 

I feel like 8 wins is their floor and 12 wins is their ceiling. They will be fun to watch this year.

 

 

 

 

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They have the potential to be a AFC Force. 

A lot depends on Baker's maturity in his second season. Coaching and injuries.

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On 5/20/2019 at 3:27 PM, danlhart87 said:

I don't see the hype. I could see them going 8 and 8 next year and being the laughing stock of the league again.

I don't think they would be the laughing stock of the league at 8-8.

2 years ago they were -16.  3 years ago they were 1-15.

They are extremely stacked and have a QB who seems like the real deal.   They could win 10-14 games this season.   The Hunt signing was genius.  

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I think the Browns are the most fascinating question mark in the league. With all the vets they brought in, who will take charge of the locker room? Will it be Mayfield? Should it be Mayfield? If not, who?

Can their new head coach mold this group into something?

Will there be too many egos for everyone to get along and play together?

 

Having said all that, I agree with @TomDiggs. With all the talent they have in what could be a mediocre division, 8 wins is probably the floor.

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Can't loose sight of what they were and what they are looking like now and that has to get the juices flowing in Cleveland and NFL fans in general. I am pulling for them until they meet the Colts in the playoffs.

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They will probably be good. The issue is if the team has any adversity will they have leaders that step up or will they fold like cry babies. 

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They look good on paper but I'm skeptical of a team that signs and trades for a bunch of name players in a short time.  

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On 5/20/2019 at 12:27 PM, danlhart87 said:

I don't see the hype. I could see them going 8 and 8 next year and being the laughing stock of the league again.

 

I have no idea where you live....   and I'm not asking.

 

But check with your telecom provider....     because, apparently,  you're being blocked from getting any and all information on the 2019 Cleveland Browns.    Don't see the hype?

 

Do you know who they have drafted the last two years?    Who they traded for the last two years?   The free agents they signed the last two years?     And you don't see the hype?

 

Sure, this could blow up because they're gambling on a completely unproven head coach.   He's never been a HC before,  nor has he been a coordinator.    So, yes,  it could blow up.    But not because of a lack of talent.    Most teams in the NFL would kill for the Browns talent.

 

Goodness gracious,  they look loaded....  

 

I hope information starts getting through to you....  and when it does,  don't be surprised if your reaction is this.......     :omg:    As in....  perhaps you'll change your mind about Cleveland....

 

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I don't know alot about all of their new talent on both sides of the ball. I know Kitchens coached below the coordinator position but I don't know much about his philosophy or his demeanor. I don't know if Mayfield is the real deal or not. I don't know what the win/loss record will be.

 

I do know this however, in the 20+ years I've been following this sport I have never seen a rookie HC in his first year with a new team shock the league. I believe it would take at least 8 games before the team can develop real chemistry on the field. Until that happens Freddie can have the best game plan and still come up short. 

 

My opinion only of course, I'm no expert. He might be the chosen one finally arrived but I am skeptical. My gut feeling is there were too many personnel moves at the same time as coaching / playbook / scheme changes. That might take awhile to get clicking.

 

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15 hours ago, Valpo2004 said:

They look good on paper but I'm skeptical of a team that signs and trades for a bunch of name players in a short time.  

I kind of feel the same.   The difference may be that the Browns were pretty solid with their own players already.  

My guess is 10 wins.  

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18 hours ago, kountrykeith said:

I don't know alot about all of their new talent on both sides of the ball. I know Kitchens coached below the coordinator position but I don't know much about his philosophy or his demeanor. I don't know if Mayfield is the real deal or not. I don't know what the win/loss record will be.

 

I do know this however, in the 20+ years I've been following this sport I have never seen a rookie HC in his first year with a new team shock the league. I believe it would take at least 8 games before the team can develop real chemistry on the field. Until that happens Freddie can have the best game plan and still come up short. 

 

My opinion only of course, I'm no expert. He might be the chosen one finally arrived but I am skeptical. My gut feeling is there were too many personnel moves at the same time as coaching / playbook / scheme changes. That might take awhile to get clicking.

 

Ya, I can buy that. But they could also get another 2-3 wins on talent alone. If they do get 10 or more wins, Brown's fan will be happy for sure...and I'll be happy for them. 

 

When was the last time the Browns won that division?

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