OffensivelyPC Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-move-from-safety-to-cornerback-paying-dividends-for-colts-t-j-green I thought this was interesting. I saw him got beat once or twice - not Landry bad, but it wasn't just a better play by the WR, either. Nevertheless, he graded 2nd highest for the game. I've seen the flashes and I think the sooner he can learn to look back and play the ball once its int he air, he could actually work into a starter role. I think the coverage portion of his game is getting there. But he struggles finding the ball sometimes (which was always one of the problems with him in the first place). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeedrinker Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Not many people will respond to this because it doesn't fit into their preconceived idea that Green should not be on a football field. I'm not a fan of PFF grades but I will say it's interesting to see such a big jump from one week to the next. I didn't get to see much of the game yet but I assume most of his snaps came against Landry and not Big R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKnight24 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 If TJ works out at CB, that's great for us. I'm only hard on him cause I watched him at Clemson and I feel like he should be a lot better than what he is at this point, I get the NFL is faster and harder to learn but I'm really hoping to see that dawg I saw at Clemson when they were shutting folks down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Alexander Morillo Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Straight up I saw this title and read it as "negative 81.7" and thought there's no waaay someone can play that badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OffensivelyPC Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 10 minutes ago, Coffeedrinker said: Not many people will respond to this because it doesn't fit into their preconceived idea that Green should not be on a football field. I'm not a fan of PFF grades but I will say it's interesting to see such a big jump from one week to the next. I didn't get to see much of the game yet but I assume most of his snaps came against Landry and not Big R. To the bolded, absolutely true. He was in on the second unit, and never played against anyone near the caliber of Antonio Brown. But still, I think the takeaway is a good one. Beat your current competetiion consistently enough and we'll bump you up to the next level when we're all ready. When or if that ever happens we'll see, but it's better than the alternative headline, which is that he crashed and burned all game long against nobodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OffensivelyPC Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, Gabriel Alexander Morillo said: Straight up I saw this title and read it as "negative 81.7" and thought there's no waaay someone can play that badly. LOL if that were true, it would have been posted here the second the article was available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Alexander Morillo Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 HEy as one of Green's primary haters here I'll be very happy to admit that any good news is great to hear for the guy. Anything that means he might be a player for us and not an athlete. I'm a Colts fan first, and a haterade drinker second (and third) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OffensivelyPC Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 12 minutes ago, TKnight24 said: If TJ works out at CB, that's great for us. I'm only hard on him cause I watched him at Clemson and I feel like he should be a lot better than what he is at this point, I get the NFL is faster and harder to learn but I'm really hoping to see that dawg I saw at Clemson when they were shutting folks down He maybe should be further, and he may never get to where he needs to be. The thing holding him back isn't his athleticism, it's his reactionary and decision making that's a hindrance. At least in man coverage, it changes the analysis from having to survey the entire field to reading the man in front of you. while neither are easy, the latter requires a bit less information to process quickly (don't quote me on that, but that's my understanding). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeedrinker Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 On my D for 7th graders I have my two CBs play man because it's easier for them to learn and there are fewer nuances than zone coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamboat_Shaun Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Only a matter of time before someone tries to put a negative spin on this, but I don't care, I like what I see. With Geathers on PUP and Vontae potentially missing time with his groin injury, I find this very encouraging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyD4U Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I must be one of the odd balls that is pulling for Green. He hasn't been terrible in this transition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad72 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I'd do what Belichick does anyways, bracket the #1 wide out with the #2 CB and a safety and shut down the #2 wide out with the #1 CB. This would safeguard T.J.Green while letting him grow into that #2 CB position, IMO. It is good to have multiple CBs that can play outside, no doubt about it. While we are experimenting a few things, I'd be keen to see how Quincy does in a short area as a slot CB since his run support is a strength of his and not long speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamboat_Shaun Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Just now, IndyD4U said: I must be one of the odd balls that is pulling for Green. He hasn't been terrible in this transition I like it so far. It'd be great if he started to create turnovers, but I'm not gonna complain about him locking down his side of the field, which he seems to be doing. Obviously he's going to give up a completion here and there, but he looks way better at CB than he did at safety at any point last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
life long Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said: Only a matter of time before someone tries to put a negative spin on this, but I don't care, I like what I see. With Geathers on PUP and Vontae potentially missing time with his groin injury, I find this very encouraging. So if Davis and Geathers are out, do they go with Green (maybe hairston) and Wilson at corner? Butler nickel with Hooker and Farley at S? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadman Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I'm rooting for the guy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadman Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Just now, life long said: So if Davis and Geathers are out, do they go with Green (maybe hairston) and Wilson at corner? Butler nickel with Hooker and Farley at S? I'm betting that Butler goes back to corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamboat_Shaun Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 10 minutes ago, life long said: So if Davis and Geathers are out, do they go with Green (maybe hairston) and Wilson at corner? Butler nickel with Hooker and Farley at S? Yeah, something like that I'd guess. I see it being a pretty rotational group, especially at CB. Sounds like they really want to be able to move those guys around for different looks, so it could be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shasta519 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Meh...that's a pretty generous grade. He wasn't terrible...but he wasn't very good either. He was only targeted four times and one of those was an underthrown deep ball that he got burnt badly on. Credit to him for having the make up speed though. Also, on 3rd and 10, he completely blew a tackle on a short pass to Smith-Schuster that turned into a 15-yard gain. He's got a long ways to go as a CB...but he doesn't look as bad as he did last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douzer Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 One can only hope the other players are held to as high a standard as Green is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamboat_Shaun Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 9 minutes ago, Douzer said: One can only hope the other players are held to as high a standard as Green is. Right? Meanwhile, Chester Rodgers hasn't practiced in 2+ weeks, and I haven't seen a single person say anything about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shasta519 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 27 minutes ago, Douzer said: One can only hope the other players are held to as high a standard as Green is. Considering Green somehow had the second highest grade on the defense (above Farley and Simon), I would guess their standard is higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I don't think he was that good against Pittsburgh. He didn't give up any production, so it's easy to say he played well. But I'm looking for the details, specifically when the ball is in the air. He got stacked up by Justin Hunter on a deep ball, and he would have been defenseless against a better throw. He battled as the ball arrived on another play, but didn't have the awareness to find the ball as it was coming. He also failed to wrap up on a run stop opportunity, which is annoying. He's tough, physically and mentally. I thought he was done after he took that big collision. Then he's back out there running around and hitting guys just as much. Meanwhile, we have a half dozen guys nursing ailments for the last two weeks, including guys in the secondary. Not a shot at anyone, but Green stays available, and that's a good thing. The issues are still with awareness and technique, and at times, discipline. I think his technique can be coached up, and discipline will come as he settles in. I don't think he'll ever have high level awareness, but he can definitely get better at finding the ball in the air. On a curve, this grade would put him at the front of the class. He wasn't that good, but I see promise with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
life long Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Major_Adobe said: I'm betting that Butler goes back to corner. I thought that at first, but Butler is better at nickel and it would allow him to rotate to and from safety easier. Plus IMO he does not have the size we want for the outside. Green and Hairston do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Hairston was good, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krunk Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I hope he continues to improve. I enjoy having a corner that is the same size as Martavis Bryant and can run step for step with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krunk Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Glad we are getting more players size and athleticism wise that can match what Pitt has Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krunk Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Thought Green and Culliver looked like an okay tandem out there. Especially for depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Gabriel Alexander Morillo said: HEy as one of Green's primary haters here I'll be very happy to admit that any good news is great to hear for the guy. Anything that means he might be a player for us and not an athlete. I'm a Colts fan first, and a haterade drinker second (and third) What's wrong with being an athlete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad72 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Superman said: Hairston was good, by the way. One completion is all I saw against him. No news is good news in the CB business (and most client oriented businesses too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodsworth Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 He has been a CB for a whole 2 weeks now. A grade of 82 is pretty good IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 38 minutes ago, chad72 said: One completion is all I saw against him. No news is good news in the CB business (and most client oriented businesses too). He was super active tackling, also. He's scrappy and tough, and doesn't back down. He's a nice prospect, from what I see so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadman Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 3 hours ago, life long said: I thought that at first, but Butler is better at nickel and it would allow him to rotate to and from safety easier. Plus IMO he does not have the size we want for the outside. Green and Hairston do. I agree that he's best in the nickel but I'd still place him as one of our top corners in base w/ Vontae out. Athleticism with experience beats a lot of measurables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLD FAN MAN Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 saw green do 2 shoulder hits for tackles instead of wrapping up, this allowed 2 gains for first downs. needs to learn to wrap up tackle, he should know this by now, needs work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaCaliColt Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Green is definitely developing - still raw but I think we are starting to see the kind of talent in his performance that warrants the original draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OffensivelyPC Posted August 29, 2017 Author Share Posted August 29, 2017 16 hours ago, Superman said: I don't think he was that good against Pittsburgh. He didn't give up any production, so it's easy to say he played well. But I'm looking for the details, specifically when the ball is in the air. He got stacked up by Justin Hunter on a deep ball, and he would have been defenseless against a better throw. He battled as the ball arrived on another play, but didn't have the awareness to find the ball as it was coming. He also failed to wrap up on a run stop opportunity, which is annoying. He's tough, physically and mentally. I thought he was done after he took that big collision. Then he's back out there running around and hitting guys just as much. Meanwhile, we have a half dozen guys nursing ailments for the last two weeks, including guys in the secondary. Not a shot at anyone, but Green stays available, and that's a good thing. The issues are still with awareness and technique, and at times, discipline. I think his technique can be coached up, and discipline will come as he settles in. I don't think he'll ever have high level awareness, but he can definitely get better at finding the ball in the air. On a curve, this grade would put him at the front of the class. He wasn't that good, but I see promise with him. Well, it being preseason, I'm sure that the evaluators at PFF don't account for who his opponent was, just that he "won" the play. If he's in with the first team, I sincerely doubt he grades out as high as he did. But I did notice the plays you mentioned. I remember him getting beat but got lucky the ball wasn't thrown better. Don't remember the missed tackle though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron11 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 ive said plenty of bad things about green, but i missed this game so i cant comment either way now same goes for dorsett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisticuffs111 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 I've turned around on Green, he's done pretty well considering he's new to the position. I agree with the Hairston praise, and I also really liked what I saw from Culliver against the Steelers. He had a couple of very nice deflections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 It's good to hear good things about him. However I have to point out that it is only preseason. That is brought up in every thread that is at all negative on the Colts play this preseason. It has to go both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shasta519 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 1 hour ago, OffensivelyPC said: Well, it being preseason, I'm sure that the evaluators at PFF don't account for who his opponent was, just that he "won" the play. If he's in with the first team, I sincerely doubt he grades out as high as he did. But I did notice the plays you mentioned. I remember him getting beat but got lucky the ball wasn't thrown better. Don't remember the missed tackle though. Here's a pretty bad one. Doesn't wrap up on a short pass and Smith-Schuster is able to convert the 3rd and 10. Go to the 6:26 mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt9t9jsZ6jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OffensivelyPC Posted August 29, 2017 Author Share Posted August 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, shastamasta said: Here's a pretty bad one. Doesn't wrap up on a short pass and Smith-Schuster is able to convert the 3rd and 10. Go to the 6:26 mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt9t9jsZ6jw That was pretty poor. Worse yet, he took his teammate out of the play too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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