Lets evaluate the current roster

[CR91]

Lets play GM and evaluate the current roster. I am going to create three categories, must keep, can do better, release. This is mostly for starters. Im not gonna mention guys like Charles james who no one has heard of. 

 

Must Keep

Andrew Luck

TY hilton

Dwayne Allen

Donte Moncrief

Henry Anderson

Vontae davis

Clayton Geathers

AC

Mewhort

Kelly

Haeg/clark

adam v

Patty Mac

Overton

 

Can do better

Gore

Dorsett

Doyle

Butler

Adams

robinson

Walden

Parry

Green

Ridgeway

Melvin

good

Haeg/clark

Reitz

Turbin

Zerr

Mcgill

Rogers

Swoope

Todman

edwin jackson

morrison

langford

 

Release

Djax

Jones

 

Now can do better doesnt mean im saying they need to be replaced. it is regulated to those who either still need to evaluated or players that are long at the tooth. Haeg/clark I list twice because only one I expect to be the starter. Haeg I see more as a plug in player especially in the interior of the line like joe reitz would do. I expect us to go after another guard in FA. Clark had a few good games at the end of the season, however there isnt enough game tape on him to say definitively he will be the starter at RT. Gore and adams have been really good for the colts, however their getting up there in age. green was brought in to replace adams as it would seem, however his rookie season was up and down. I still think him and geathers can be a really good combo in the future, but Im not sure green is ready to be a full time starter. gore has been a welcoming sign for us as he has given us a running game we havent seen in years, but not the game changer we need to get pressure off of luck. If it was up to me, I would let go of every LBer. that is the one position imo that completely needs to be remodeled. walden was really good last year, but hes getting into his thirties and his double digit sack season is not the kind of player he is. edwin jackson has some potential, but other that we need a lot of young talent infused into that position. Dline is interesting because we do have some talent. anderson and ridgeway I think can be really good bookends, its the middle that needs to be improved. Parry is a good player, but leaves a lot to be desired. Id prefer him more as a rotation player then a starter. Im gonna get heat for listing allen as a must keep instead of doyle. allen is a good talent. he can do everything as a TE. its the drops that really hurt him. dont get me wrong, i like doyle. its his asking price that worries me. i would not pay him more then 3 mil a year and im sure a team like the giants would pay him a lot more.

 

 

 

[Jackie Daytona]

you think Doyle needs to do better, or we need to do better than Doyle?  not sure I agree with either....  He was nothing, if not solid all year.

[CR91]

On 1/22/2017 at 0:17 PM, Shafty138 said:

you think Doyle needs to do better, or we need to do better than Doyle?  not sure I agree with either....  He was nothing, if not solid all year.

 

I explained my stand with doyle on the bottom

[Jackie Daytona]

yeah, I just don't think you can afford to let Doyle go over the diff between 3 and 4.5 a year or so....

 

[CR91]

On 1/22/2017 at 0:25 PM, Shafty138 said:

yeah, I just don't think you can afford to let Doyle go over the diff between 3 and 4.5 a year or so....

 

 

it wouldnt surprised me if he got 7-8 mil. a team will overpay for him

[Jackie Daytona]

eek Spotrac has his market value at 6.2mil a year...... ouch

[Tracy Denton]

1 minute ago, Shafty138 said:

yeah, I just don't think you can afford to let Doyle go over the diff between 3 and 4.5 a year or so....

 

According to Spotrac his market value is 6.2M

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/indianapolis-colts/jack-doyle-12994/market-value/

[CR91]

On 1/22/2017 at 0:27 PM, Shafty138 said:

eek Spotrac has his market value at 6.2mil a year...... ouch

 

he'll get more then that im sure

[Jackie Daytona]

other attractive FA TE's out there too though, Gresham, Bennett, so not like He's head and shoulders the best on the market at least....

[CR91]

On 1/22/2017 at 0:30 PM, Shafty138 said:

other attractive FA TE's out there too though, Gresham, Bennett, so not like He's head and shoulders the best on the market at least....

 

bennett was resigned by the pats

[coltsleafs]

I've been watching a lot of old colts games the last few weeks like the packers colts 2004 game steelers colts playoff game and the one big difference I see on the defensive side of the ball is the pass rush we had back then. We have never really had a great secondary have always got picked apart and run all over but that pass rush with freeney and Mathis and a few others was lethal and game changing. If we can find some good pash rushers I think this team can really turn things around.

[masnerj]

I doubt Doyle is gonna get more than 6 million on the market. My money is on him coming back for 5-6 million a year for 4 years. 

[MTC]

Interesting game.

 

Keep:

Luck

Hilton, Moncrief, Rogers, Bray (KR/PR)

Doyle, Swoope

Castonzo, Mewhort, Kelly, Haeg, Clark, Reitz

Anderson, McGill, Ridgeway, Langford

Ayers, Morrison

Adams, Butler, Davis, Farley, Green, Morris, Melvin, Geathers

 

Everyone else can go.

[DougDew]

Well golly.  Doyle doesn't have a drops problem. How Grigson handled the TE position has been especially bad. 

[life long]

I really like how swoope played late in the season. I love doyle but i hope it will not hinder us signing defensive free agents to keep him.....

[life long]

4 minutes ago, MTC said:

Interesting game.

 

Keep:

Luck

Hilton, Moncrief, Rogers, Bray (KR/PR)

Doyle, Swoope

Castonzo, Mewhort, Kelly, Haeg, Clark, Reitz

Anderson, McGill, Ridgeway, Langford

Ayers, Morrison

Adams, Butler, Davis, Farley, Green, Morris, Melvin, Geathers

 

Everyone else can go.

How do you list kickoff specalist without keeping vinny and patty?

[MTC]

Just now, life long said:

How do you list kickoff specalists without keeping vinny and patty 

 

Oops. Forgot to add them. 

 

McAfee, Vinatieri, Overton

[life long]

3 minutes ago, MTC said:

 

Oops. Forgot to add them. 

 

McAfee, Vinatieri, Overton

Now its pretty solid 

[BProland85]

I'll do my version later, but I wouldn't call Dwayne Allen a must keep. And I like some of our young pieces in Geathers, Ridgeway, Haeg, Kelly, Clark, and Anderson. 

 

This team primarily needs playmakers at LB and CB, and also a true NT wouldn't hurt. Add in some young talent at RB and you are starting to have something.

[chrisfarley]

5 hours ago, Shafty138 said:

eek Spotrac has his market value at 6.2mil a year...... ouch

i was going to say someone will pay him 6.  maybe for a high-caliber team, he will take less.  So I will say he will get 5 million from someone that is a contender.  

[indyagent17]

Upgrades at LB ,DL and CB will solve most of those problems, lets pray this free agent season and draft are done better than we have the last few years. its imperative whoever Irsay chooses at GM know what he is doing much, much better than Grigson

[WoolMagnet]

It would be more realistic and interesting if you included salary, cap hit, dead cap hits, etc.  i know this is difficult but balancing the budget is necessary.  Improvements at some positions, or releases don't always make fiscal sense.

 Thats one positive about grigs, he didnt handicap long-term.  Most deals were cap friendly as far as releasing players that didnt work out.  Thank god.

[dw49]

6 hours ago, CR91 said:

 

bennett was resigned by the pats

 

Really , when did this happen ?  Could you post the source for that ? 

 

I would also be shocked if Doyle was paid in excess of 6 mill per year.

[Smonroe]

6 hours ago, MTC said:

Interesting game.

 

Keep:

Luck

Hilton, Moncrief, Rogers, Bray (KR/PR)

Doyle, Swoope

Castonzo, Mewhort, Kelly, Haeg, Clark, Reitz

Anderson, McGill, Ridgeway, Langford

Ayers, Morrison

Adams, Butler, Davis, Farley, Green, Morris, Melvin, Geathers

 

Everyone else can go.

 

Bray can go too, but I like your core list.  We better concentrate on LBs, through FA and the draft.  

[AZColt11]

Roster:  not good.

[IinD]

1 hour ago, AZColt11 said:

Roster:  not good.

Lol...there's a lot of ugly on our roster.

 

 

[CR91]

11 hours ago, WoolMagnet said:

It would be more realistic and interesting if you included salary, cap hit, dead cap hits, etc.  i know this is difficult but balancing the budget is necessary.  Improvements at some positions, or releases don't always make fiscal sense.

 Thats one positive about grigs, he didnt handicap long-term.  Most deals were cap friendly as far as releasing players that didnt work out.  Thank god.

 

Look at my off-season mock. It has those numbers

[CR91]

11 hours ago, dw49 said:

 

Really , when did this happen ?  Could you post the source for that ? 

 

I would also be shocked if Doyle was paid in excess of 6 mill per year.

 

Guess I misread. It says now pats will make it a priority to resign him

[James Ducheteau]

19 hours ago, MTC said:

Interesting game.

 

Keep:

Luck

Hilton, Moncrief, Rogers, Bray (KR/PR)

Doyle, Swoope

Castonzo, Mewhort, Kelly, Haeg, Clark, Reitz

Anderson, McGill, Ridgeway, Langford

Ayers, Morrison

Adams, Butler, Davis, Farley, Green, Morris, Melvin, Geathers

 

Everyone else can go.

 

I would keep Parry, he's on a rookie contract and has been reliable..not great but reliable, even after his contract is up I don't imagine it's going to break the bank to keep him

[superrep1967]

21 hours ago, CR91 said:

Lets play GM and evaluate the current roster. I am going to create three categories, must keep, can do better, release. This is mostly for starters. Im not gonna mention guys like Charles james who no one has heard of. 

 

Must Keep

Andrew Luck

TY hilton

Dwayne Allen

Donte Moncrief

Henry Anderson

Vontae davis

Clayton Geathers

AC

Mewhort

Kelly

Haeg/clark

adam v

Patty Mac

Overton

 

Can do better

Gore

Dorsett

Doyle

Butler

Adams

robinson

Walden

Parry

Green

Ridgeway

Melvin

good

Haeg/clark

Reitz

Turbin

Zerr

Mcgill

Rogers

Swoope

Todman

edwin jackson

morrison

langford

 

Release

Djax

Jones

 

Now can do better doesnt mean im saying they need to be replaced. it is regulated to those who either still need to evaluated or players that are long at the tooth. Haeg/clark I list twice because only one I expect to be the starter. Haeg I see more as a plug in player especially in the interior of the line like joe reitz would do. I expect us to go after another guard in FA. Clark had a few good games at the end of the season, however there isnt enough game tape on him to say definitively he will be the starter at RT. Gore and adams have been really good for the colts, however their getting up there in age. green was brought in to replace adams as it would seem, however his rookie season was up and down. I still think him and geathers can be a really good combo in the future, but Im not sure green is ready to be a full time starter. gore has been a welcoming sign for us as he has given us a running game we havent seen in years, but not the game changer we need to get pressure off of luck. If it was up to me, I would let go of every LBer. that is the one position imo that completely needs to be remodeled. walden was really good last year, but hes getting into his thirties and his double digit sack season is not the kind of player he is. edwin jackson has some potential, but other that we need a lot of young talent infused into that position. Dline is interesting because we do have some talent. anderson and ridgeway I think can be really good bookends, its the middle that needs to be improved. Parry is a good player, but leaves a lot to be desired. Id prefer him more as a rotation player then a starter. Im gonna get heat for listing allen as a must keep instead of doyle. allen is a good talent. he can do everything as a TE. its the drops that really hurt him. dont get me wrong, i like doyle. its his asking price that worries me. i would not pay him more then 3 mil a year and im sure a team like the giants would pay him a lot more.

 

 

 

 

The verdict is still out on Green. 

[superrep1967]

19 hours ago, BProland85 said:

I'll do my version later, but I wouldn't call Dwayne Allen a must keep. And I like some of our young pieces in Geathers, Ridgeway, Haeg, Kelly, Clark, and Anderson. 

 

This team primarily needs playmakers at LB and CB, and also a true NT wouldn't hurt. Add in some young talent at RB and you are starting to have something.

 

I wouldn't call Allen a must keep either. I like those players to. 

[superrep1967]

19 hours ago, coltsleafs said:

I've been watching a lot of old colts games the last few weeks like the packers colts 2004 game steelers colts playoff game and the one big difference I see on the defensive side of the ball is the pass rush we had back then. We have never really had a great secondary have always got picked apart and run all over but that pass rush with freeney and Mathis and a few others was lethal and game changing. If we can find some good pash rushers I think this team can really turn things around.

 

You are so right it'll make our secondary look so much better to. 

[CR91]

34 minutes ago, superrep1967 said:

The verdict is still out on Green. 

 

I said as much in my comments below

[braveheartcolt]

Great thread and good list. And only a few using it as an excuse to moan. A welcome change of direction from our back office woes. If we can keep Doyle, I'd be fine if we let Allen go if it makes salary cap sense etc.....

 

Can we realistically go all out on Defense in the draft? We certainly need a fresh young-ish RB to transition in from Gore over the next 12 months.....or is their a god target out there in FA?

[Andrew Luck fan club]

4 minutes ago, braveheartcolt said:

Great thread and good list. And only a few using it as an excuse to moan. A welcome change of direction from our back office woes. If we can keep Doyle, I'd be fine if we let Allen go if it makes salary cap sense etc.....

 

Can we realistically go all out on Defense in the draft? We certainly need a fresh young-ish RB to transition in from Gore over the next 12 months.....or is their a god target out there in FA?

Yes and FA. We'll pick up a HB in later rounds. 

[lollygagger8]

I don't agree with most of this list, but the Colts have gotta keep Doyle. 

 

2nd best receiver on the team.

Excellent team mate. 

Has to work on blocking, but he's better than Fleener ever was (while producing almost the same yards, and had more TD's)

 

[throwing BBZ]

We will be debating these roster issues till...
I count 23 on your list that i believe have solid potential for going forward with.
  So it will take at least a couple years to churn over this weak roster. JMO of course.

[aaron11]

i think you have allen and doyle backwards

 

doyle is the second best receiver on the team, its not moncrief.  you do have to pay to keep good players, too bad they chose to give allen the money first

 

edit, haeg and clark were listed twice.  i would put them in the rookies that played well and should obviously be kept category

 

[dw49]

4 hours ago, CR91 said:

 

Guess I misread. It says now pats will make it a priority to resign him

 

No big deal , just thought maybe I missed it.

 

I read a while ago that he could have signed a new deal last year averaging 7 mill per year. So doesn't look to be a cheap sign for NE.

[Matabix]

Pass rush, pass rush it'll make everyone better in defense. Late round rb to compete with JF. All other picks best available on defense.

I would trade only this years picks to move up and get higher in 1st. I doubt we will be picking this high again for awhile. 

FA guard from Cinci let Bray go and keep Todman and Rogers. 

Sign Adams and Walden 1 more year.