Patriots trade Jamie Collins to Cleveland

[RockThatBlue]

Wow.

 

 

 

 

[runthepost]

What?????!

[21isSuperman]

 

This is crazy.  Collins is an absolute monster of a linebacker.  A 3rd round pick seems like highway robbery

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

How in God's name? was he massively underperforming or are they in some kind of cap hell ? 

[chad72]

When it comes to time to pay up for Chandler Jones and Jamie Collins, the Pats bolt them

[NewColtsFan]

 

Huh?!?

 

Makes ZERO sense.

 

There is way, WAY more to this story than is currently known.  

 

My first thought was..........  "Is this a late April Fools joke?!?"

 

 

[GusBus24]

WHAT THE? Colts should have offered that for him considering our need for LB. 

[krunk]

The Pats always do that.  Only people I've ever really seen them pay money to is Brady and maybe somebody like Wilfork.

[RockThatBlue]

I would have gladly taken him for a 3rd. Thats insane.

[coltsfan77]

And they keep winning! Must be nice to have a staff that can get the most out of players! 

[krunk]

1 minute ago, GusBus24 said:

WHAT THE? Colts should have offered that for him considering our need for LB. 

Have you ever seen the Pats trade or do any type of business with the Colts?  Only players we have ever gotten from them were on waivers/cut.  They don't want to help us get better at anything.

[Boiler_Colt]

1 minute ago, GusBus24 said:

WHAT THE? Colts should have offered that for him considering our need for LB. 

You think the Pats would even pick up the phone from a 317 area code? They'd pick it up, laugh and hang up.

[ColtsBlueFL]

It's real.  Waiting for more info...

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000731353/article/patriots-trade-jamie-collins-to-browns

[GusBus24]

Just now, krunk said:

Have you ever seen the Pats trade or do any type of business with the Colts?  Only players we have ever gotten from them were on waivers/cut.  They don't want to help us get better at anything.

True not like the Browns can get much better

 

[ColtsBlueFL]

2 minutes ago, RockThatBlue said:

I would have gladly taken him for a 3rd. Thats insane.

 

But the Pats would even stay on the line long enough with the Colts to hear the deal offered.  Now the question is, do you give a second to the Browns for Collins?  Or a 3rd and 5th, or something else?  Browns might trade, but not lose any value.

[GusBus24]

1 minute ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

But the Pats would even stay on the line long enough with the Colts to hear the deal offered.  Now the question is, do you give a second to the Browns for Collins?  Or a 3rd and 5th, or something else?  Browns might trade, but not lose any value.

HELL NO! Maybe offer something for Haden or Wilkerson from the Jets. But in all honesty the Colts need to stay where they are save their picks and restart next season with a new coach and new GM. This team has 100% quit on Pagano. He is now our teams worst enemy at this point

[Happy2BeHere]

BB is @ it again...he knows what he's doing is all I can say

[21isSuperman]

11 minutes ago, Gabriel Alexander Morillo said:

How in God's name? was he massively underperforming or are they in some kind of cap hell ? 

I think Collins is ranked in the top 10 by Pro Football Focus, so it can't be a performance issue.  They do have a lot of players to pay soon though, including Hightower and Malcolm Butler

[Colt Overseas]

Crazy trade if true, the only reason i can think of is maybe the Patriots think Jamie Collins isnt going to sign a new deal so they want to get some value from him?? IDK.

[RockThatBlue]

Apparently the Pats were having issues signing him to a long term deal. Hence why they traded him. I still can't believe only for a 3rd though.

[Ryan Pelley]

That really sucks for him. Playing for arguably the best coach of all time on probably the best team in the league and you get dumped in Cleveland of all places? He'll have plenty of suiters come March, but until then... jeez.

 

[21isSuperman]

1 minute ago, RockThatBlue said:

Apparently the Pats were having issues signing him to a long term deal. Hence why they traded him. I still can't believe only for a 3rd though.

Cleveland is almost certainly going to be drafting 1st overall.  So their 3rd round pick can arguably be a late 2nd rounder.  He was taken 52nd overall in 2013 and the Pats almost got their draft pick back for him.  You draft a guy at 52, have him play outstanding football for a few years while you make it to 2 Super Bowls and win one of those, then you get nearly a full return on your pick.  Belichick being Belichick.

[richard pallo]

I suggested going after him weeks ago thinking they would do it for the same reason they traded Chandler  Bummer.  But I think Krunks right.  They won't do business with us.  Time to offer Costanzo and a conditional pick to the Broncos for Shane Ray after we pry Thomas from the Browns. 

[Colt Overseas]

8 minutes ago, 21isSuperman said:

Cleveland is almost certainly going to be drafting 1st overall.  So their 3rd round pick can arguably be a late 2nd rounder.  He was taken 52nd overall in 2013 and the Pats almost got their draft pick back for him.  You draft a guy at 52, have him play outstanding football for a few years while you make it to 2 Super Bowls and win one of those, then you get nearly a full return on your pick.  Belichick being Belichick.

Comp 3rd pick though i think.

[teganslaw]

I don't understand this trade.What are the Patriots thinking?

[BullsColtsFan1]

That had to be a slap in the face.  I heard Collins wanted Von Miller $.  Belichick probably said well if you want that kind of money we'll ship you to the worse team in the league lol. 

[pgt_rob]

Jaime Collins officially retires after finding out he's been traded to the Browns.  j/k

[BullsColtsFan1]

8 minutes ago, richard pallo said:

I suggested going after him weeks ago thinking they would do it for the same reason they traded Chandler  Bummer.  But I think Krunks right.  They won't do business with us.  Time to offer Costanzo and a conditional pick to the Broncos for Shane Ray after we pry Thomas from the Browns. 

That would be a great idea BUT if I were a betting man, the Colts won't make any deals before the deadline. 

[PeterBowman]

this doesn't mean Colts won't make a play for him at the end of the year.....they'll be flush with cash.

[Colts_Fan12]

This sucks I wish we could have got him. but atleast he went to the Browns so I guarantee he is avaliable this coming offseason.

[21isSuperman]

13 minutes ago, BullsColtsFan1 said:

That had to be a slap in the face.  I heard Collins wanted Von Miller $.  Belichick probably said well if you want that kind of money we'll ship you to the worse team in the league lol. 

That's cruel

[gacoop1]

If Collins walk and become a free agent at end of season, why would the Browns even pick him up at mid season without thinking of keeping him?  Yeah you're right ColtFan, we should have picked him up given the situation we're in at the moment.  Given Grigs track record, he doesn't make any moves that make sense anyway....That's why the Colts are where they are at the bottom!

[bayone]

48 minutes ago, 21isSuperman said:

 

This is crazy.  Collins is an absolute monster of a linebacker.  A 3rd round pick seems like highway robbery

 

I read BB like with Chnadler Jones didn't want to pay him his worth after his rookie contract expired at end of this year

 

Thing is if they kept him and used him and let him go they probably would of got the basically same compensatory pick after he was picked up in free agency

[Bad Morty]

I gave up questioning Bill long ago as he doesn't ever get burned on these deals, head-scratching as they may be. The Pats have (had, I guess) Hightower, Malcolm Butler, and Collins all coming up for new contracts, so it was widely known that one of them wasn't coming back. Take it for what it's worth, but Mike Lombardi (former personnel guy in New England and in Cleveland) says he's not surprised at all. Collins committed the cardinal sin in New England...he wouldn't play ball with his new contract, and he wasn't performing on field. Lombardi said he's been free-styling all year and given up plays...Buffalo busted a 28 yard off tackle run yesterday on their opening drive that Lombardi said was 100% on Collins for going off-script.

[2006Coltsbestever]

This trade makes no sense but because it's the Patriots, Belichick will probably just plug in Joe Shmoe for Collins and he will play like Pro-Bowler LOL.

[BProland85]

Wow for only a 3rd? This guy is a stud! Wonder what was going on with him behind the scenes.

[21isSuperman]

3 minutes ago, Bad Morty said:

I gave up questioning Bill long ago as he doesn't ever get burned on these deals, head-scratching as they may be. The Pats have (had, I guess) Hightower, Malcolm Butler, and Collins all coming up for new contracts, so it was widely known that one of them wasn't coming back. Take it for what it's worth, but Mike Lombardi (former personnel guy in New England and in Cleveland) says he's not surprised at all. Collins committed the cardinal sin in New England...he wouldn't play ball with his new contract, and he wasn't performing on field. Lombardi said he's been free-styling all year and given up plays...Buffalo busted a 28 yard off tackle run yesterday on their opening drive that Lombardi said was 100% on Collins for going off-script.

I wouldn't say he never gets burned.  He traded a solid pass rusher in Chandler Jones to Arizona for Jon Cooper, and Cooper has already been released

[Bad Morty]

7 minutes ago, 21isSuperman said:

I wouldn't say he never gets burned.  He traded a solid pass rusher in Chandler Jones to Arizona for Jon Cooper, and Cooper has already been released

 

They traded Jones for a 2nd round pick. Cooper was a 'throw in'...they value the 2nd rounder far more than the player.

[Derakynn]

8 minutes ago, 21isSuperman said:

I wouldn't say he never gets burned.  He traded a solid pass rusher in Chandler Jones to Arizona for Jon Cooper, and Cooper has already been released

That trade was all about the pick. Cooper had not done well and they knew it. No surprise he didn't pan out. But they still got the sweet pick for a player that would've commanded a contract that New England doesn't give out frequently. 

[King Colt]

Man he must have done something real bad.