I Never Thought That I'd Say This But...

[Evansville Blue]

I've seen past posts where people have said we need to get rid of Andrew Luck and I thought that it was a stupid idea, but after today's game I have reconsidered. Not because I think that Luck isn't a good quarterback, but for these reasons. Because the Colts are paying so much for him, we don't have the money for enough QUALITY players on defense or offense. Look at the teams we have lost to. Most of them have quarterbacks with nowhere near the caliber of Luck, but their offensive lines and their defense seem to outplay us handily.

 

Maybe it's time to consider the quality of the players we have on both sides of the ball, rather than having a having the highest paid quarterback in the league, as Mr. Irsay likes to say. Even Brady can,t win games by himself. Just sayin'...What are you guys thoughts about this?

[IndyD4U]

Good grief 

[jbaron04]

Lol bro I stopped reading after you said we paying to much,  grigson got you brain washed. Luck is by far the problem on this team he is having a great yr in spite of the hog wash that's is at some positions on the team 

[21isSuperman]

It has been thoroughly debunked that Luck's contract is what's preventing Grigson from building a good defense.  It has more to do with Grigson's inability to evaluate talent and overall incompetence.

[Bluefire4]

If we hit on free agents we would be fine right now.

[GoBlue12]

To be totally honest, Grigs has know for a long time that Lucks big contract was coming due. He knew he had to build the monster while he had cap room. He swung and missed so frequently that our roster is pathetic. But we do have Dorsett (sarcasm)

[Solon]

[#12.]

Top notch thread.

[RollerColt]

NOPE!

[Evansville Blue]

10 minutes ago, 21isSuperman said:

It has been thoroughly debunked that Luck's contract is what's preventing Grigson from building a good defense.  It has more to do with Grigson's inability to evaluate talent and overall incompetence.

Debunked? I've not seen nor heard where it's been debunked. Look at the talent or lack thereof we have on this team. Old guys, guys who have injury histories and young unproven guys. Sure there have been a few bad picks by Grigs, but just watch Luck being killed and our defense being torched and missing tackles left and right. Quality players don't perform like this and you have to pay to get quality players.

[deedub75]

1 minute ago, Evansville Blue said:

Debunked? I've not seen nor heard where it's been debunked. Look at the talent or lack thereof we have on this team. Old guys, guys who have injury histories and young unproven guys. Sure there have been a few bad picks by Grigs, but just watch Luck being killed and our defense being torched and missing tackles left and right. Quality players don't perform like this.ck therof

 

The money is and has been there to build a good team around Luck. Grigson just doesn't know how to evaluate talent and he's wasted money on old or bad players. He seems obsessed with finding that diamond in the rough. 

[Mathis_Fan98]

[#12.]

3 minutes ago, deedub75 said:

 

The money is and has been there to build a good team around Luck. Grigson just doesn't know how to evaluate talent and he's wasted money on old or bad players. He seems obsessed with finding that diamond in the rough. 

 

He's amazingly consistent, though.  He's equally bad at the draft(Werner, Dorsett, etc., etc.), free agency(Cole, RJF, Toler, etc.), trades(Richardson, Hughes) and re-signings(Allen).

[SkyBane]

gr8 b8 m8. I r8 8/8

[csmopar]

32 minutes ago, Evansville Blue said:

I've seen past posts where people have said we need to get rid of Andrew Luck and I thought that it was a stupid idea, but after today's game I have reconsidered. Not because I think that Luck isn't a good quarterback, but for these reasons. Because the Colts are paying so much for him, we don't have the money for enough QUALITY players on defense or offense. Look at the teams we have lost to. Most of them have quarterbacks with nowhere near the caliber of Luck, but their offensive lines and their defense seem to outplay us handily.

 

Maybe it's time to consider the quality of the players we have on both sides of the ball, rather than having a having the highest paid quarterback in the league, as Mr. Irsay likes to say. Even Brady can,t win games by himself. Just sayin'...What are you guys thoughts about this?

Just stop.

[csmopar]

25 minutes ago, Evansville Blue said:

Debunked? I've not seen nor heard where it's been debunked. Look at the talent or lack thereof we have on this team. Old guys, guys who have injury histories and young unproven guys. Sure there have been a few bad picks by Grigs, but just watch Luck being killed and our defense being torched and missing tackles left and right. Quality players don't perform like this and you have to pay to get quality players.

That wasn't from lack of funds, just a brain dead gm

[dw49]

56 minutes ago, Evansville Blue said:

I've seen past posts where people have said we need to get rid of Andrew Luck and I thought that it was a stupid idea, but after today's game I have reconsidered. Not because I think that Luck isn't a good quarterback, but for these reasons. Because the Colts are paying so much for him, we don't have the money for enough QUALITY players on defense or offense. Look at the teams we have lost to. Most of them have quarterbacks with nowhere near the caliber of Luck, but their offensive lines and their defense seem to outplay us handily.

 

Maybe it's time to consider the quality of the players we have on both sides of the ball, rather than having a having the highest paid quarterback in the league, as Mr. Irsay likes to say. Even Brady can,t win games by himself. Just sayin'...What are you guys thoughts about this?

 

 

I'm with everyone else that thinks this is really stupid. The only reason I feel compelled to reply is no one mentions the 29 million in dead money if we traded him.

[dudeski]

 this is the worst fanbase in sports

[MTC]

Even though I respect everyone's opinions, you couldn't be more wrong.

 

Luck is our only saving grace in this franchise from going 0-16.

[Evansville Blue]

34 minutes ago, MTC said:

Even though I respect everyone's opinions, you couldn't be more wrong.

 

Luck is our only saving grace in this franchise from going 0-16.

 

34 minutes ago, MTC said:

Even though I respect everyone's opinions, you couldn't be more wrong.

 

Luck is our only saving grace in this franchise from going 0-16.

 

This may be true, but if we don't keep him protected he may not be around for long! Again, I never said that Luck was bad, you guys need to re-read my original post.

 

It's not so much about Luck, but the reason the team as a whole is so inconsistent, undisciplined and seem to be outplayed by everybody, ie Jacksonville. We need better players, this is obvious. The question is how can we do it and still keep Luck?

[Colts_Fan12]

10 minutes ago, Evansville Blue said:

 

 

This may be true, but if we don't keep him protected he may not be around for long! Again, I never said that Luck was bad, you guys need to re-read my original post.

 

It's not so much about Luck, but the reason the team as a whole is so inconsistent, undisciplined and seem to be outplayed by everybody, ie Jacksonville. We need better players, this is obvious. The question is how can we do it and still keep Luck?

Everyone has told you like 40 times we will have money our GM is just stupid and can't find talent to save his life. replace him with someone that knows what an actual talented young player looks like and we will be fine.

[Evansville Blue]

9 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said:

 

 

9 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said:

Everyone has told you like 40 times we will have money our GM is just stupid and can't find talent to save his life. replace him with someone that knows what an actual talented young player looks like and we will be fine.

 

At this time, there are only 24 posts in this thread, not 40, so don't be a knucklehead. I just threw this topic out for a discussion! To hear different POVs.

[Colts_Fan12]

5 minutes ago, Evansville Blue said:

 

 

At this time, there are only 24 posts in this thread, not 40, so don't be a knucklehead. I just threw this topic out for a discussion! To hear different POVs.

That's called sarcasm.... 

[Boiler_Colt]

This fan base needs some adderal sometimes. Some people have the attention span of a gnat. Last week: "Luck is phenominal, without him we'd be nowhere." This week: "Luck is so overrated, we need to geg rid of him". 

[DougDew]

22 minutes ago, Evansville Blue said:

 

 

We need better players, this is obvious. The question is how can we do it and still keep Luck?

Be like most teams.  Once in a while, draft in the top ten.  Grigson has never had that luxury after the 2-14 season since the team went 11-5 the next year.  Last year was the worst year for the Colts in the Grigson era, and the pick was only as high as #18.

[jameszeigler834]

2 hours ago, Evansville Blue said:

I've seen past posts where people have said we need to get rid of Andrew Luck and I thought that it was a stupid idea, but after today's game I have reconsidered. Not because I think that Luck isn't a good quarterback, but for these reasons. Because the Colts are paying so much for him, we don't have the money for enough QUALITY players on defense or offense. Look at the teams we have lost to. Most of them have quarterbacks with nowhere near the caliber of Luck, but their offensive lines and their defense seem to outplay us handily.

 

Maybe it's time to consider the quality of the players we have on both sides of the ball, rather than having a having the highest paid quarterback in the league, as Mr. Irsay likes to say. Even Brady can,t win games by himself. Just sayin'...What are you guys thoughts about this?

Ya get rid of the only guy holding this team together that's really brilliant if not for luck this team has no wins this season at all and we are never in most of the games we lost.

[jameszeigler834]

3 minutes ago, Boiler_Colt said:

This fan base needs some adderal sometimes. Some people have the attention span of a gnat. Last week: "Luck is phenominal, without him we'd be nowhere." This week: "Luck is so overrated, we need to geg rid of him". 

What I'm really starting to get ticked off about is everytime this team wins most people on here say Luck is one of the best QB's in the league and when we lose they say he stinks he is terrible we need to get rid of him that is pathetic. Luck isn't the reason why this team is 3-5 we are 3-5 because of terrible coaching, dysfunctional front office, and multiple draft mistakes.

[Malakai432]

Trading Luck for a wealth of potential spearheaded by Grigson and coached down by Pagano would probably make this team worse than it already is, ....

 

They may have a 20-25th ranked D with a minimal rushing game and a QB incapable of doing anything lol. 

[Evansville Blue]

Hey Guys,

I like Luck, but this team has had this defensive problem for many years. It was the same way when Peyton was here. We've had mediocre defenses at best. All the time,our quarterbacks were the highest paid in the league and they had to have weapons, which left the defense lacking.

 

There are good teams who are consistently in the playoffs that don't pay their quarterbacks as much. I just think we need to give some love to the defense.

 

At least when Peyton was here, they protected him. If we keep going the way we are Luck will get killed. We cannot expect him to win games by himself! Will you be satisfied if he gets a career ending injury? I would rather see him with another team before this happens.

[Evansville Blue]

4 minutes ago, Malakai432 said:

Trading Luck for a wealth of potential spearheaded by Grigson and coached down by Pagano would probably make this team worse than it already is, ....

 

They may have a 20-25th ranked D with a minimal rushing game and a QB incapable of doing anything lol. 

 

I agree. I an no fan of Grigs and Paganos work...

[Malakai432]

I could see it now, Pagano "It was so hard to let go of a fierce competitor in Luck but we got a wealth of warriors man, these guys are samnauri ninjas made of steel, they're robots."

 

Loses first 6 games, "Man it's so hard to win in the NFL, we just gotta keep on chipping away, grinding and get better."

 

Luck helps take his respective new team deep into the playoffs, ........

[Malakai432]

1 minute ago, Evansville Blue said:

 

I agree. I an no fan of Grigs and Paganos work...

 

^ Roger that

[21isSuperman]

2 hours ago, Evansville Blue said:

Debunked? I've not seen nor heard where it's been debunked. Look at the talent or lack thereof we have on this team. Old guys, guys who have injury histories and young unproven guys. Sure there have been a few bad picks by Grigs, but just watch Luck being killed and our defense being torched and missing tackles left and right. Quality players don't perform like this and you have to pay to get quality players.

The reason the team is awful now is because Grigson is completely inept.  He doesn't know how to draft.  He doesn't know which free agents to sign.  It has nothing to do with Luck's contract.  Luck deserves the money he got paid.  Instead of paying for good free agents, Grigson paid for guys like Andre Johnson, Trent Cole and DQ.  He drafted guys like Hugh Thornton.  He completely wasted tons of cap space.  To suggest Luck's contract is the reason the team is in its current state is as inaccurate as one can get

[luv_pony_express]

If we're concerned about guys we're overpaying, then we need to start with Anthony Castonzo.

[King Colt]

Luck is no more than a good qb as he refuses to reduce his flaws. This is year five and he still needs work. The Colts are a seriously flawed team from the owner on down. They packed the stadium today only to fall on their faces. 41 yards total offense the first quarter, four sacks, dropped balls and a continuous flow of no defense. Why bother to play starters next week against the Packers?

[dgambill]

2 hours ago, Evansville Blue said:

I've seen past posts where people have said we need to get rid of Andrew Luck and I thought that it was a stupid idea, but after today's game I have reconsidered. Not because I think that Luck isn't a good quarterback, but for these reasons. Because the Colts are paying so much for him, we don't have the money for enough QUALITY players on defense or offense. Look at the teams we have lost to. Most of them have quarterbacks with nowhere near the caliber of Luck, but their offensive lines and their defense seem to outplay us handily.

 

Maybe it's time to consider the quality of the players we have on both sides of the ball, rather than having a having the highest paid quarterback in the league, as Mr. Irsay likes to say. Even Brady can,t win games by himself. Just sayin'...What are you guys thoughts about this?

No offense man but do you honestly believe with all the guys we HAVE signed with all the enormous cap space we have had the past 5 years we could do anything with the money we are giving Luck. Luck hasn't played "consistently" well the last two years. He had had some great stretches but really not much of a full game starting from the afc championship game til now but he is by far....by far the most talented and by far the best player we have at their respective position. Outside of Vontae, TY, and mewhort (minus our pro bowl kickers) everyone else is decent at best to downright awful. There is far far to much to upgrade and even Andrews money wouldn't scratch the surface here. You don't weaken your only strenghth on your team and get better. Luck can play better and must. He has to step up his game between the ears. Get into better plays read the defense and know where the openings will before snap and get rid of the ball faster. He basically needs to take that next step and we have been waiting a year and a half to see it...hopefully he will get some help either with coaches or someone (maybe we bring in Peyton in the offseason to tutor him). Andrew has all the tools he just needs some help from his teammates but definitely from this staff to make the leap.

[Evansville Blue]

3 minutes ago, 21isSuperman said:

The reason the team is awful now is because Grigson is completely inept.  He doesn't know how to draft.  He doesn't know which free agents to sign.  It has nothing to do with Luck's contract.  Luck deserves the money he got paid.  Instead of paying for good free agents, Grigson paid for guys like Andre Johnson, Trent Cole and DQ.  He drafted guys like Hugh Thornton.  He completely wasted tons of cap space.  To suggest Luck's contract is the reason the team is in its current state is as inaccurate as one can get

 

I believe it's some of the problem along with the offensive "weapons" they bought for him, like they did for Peyton. As I said earlier, the Colts have had defensive problems for many years. They spend most of the money on offense.This is a fact.

[19colt]

To the OP, the Broncos just won a Superbowl while paying big dollars to Manning so it can clearly be done. The Oakland Raiders of all teams are building a good roster around David Carr yet Grigson hasn't done the same for Luck. Only 7 QB's were drafted last year and only the ones that went 1 and 2 are playing right now. The draft this year has produced Wentz and Prescott but who could have predicted Prescott. This is why Houston went out and paid $72 million for Osweiler because that is what he is worth. Alex Smith is getting paid similar money. To summarize, Luck is a bargain unless you know of a way to pick in the top 2 every 5 years after your QB's rookie deal runs out. 

[luv_pony_express]

10 minutes ago, 21isSuperman said:

The reason the team is awful now is because Grigson is completely inept.  He doesn't know how to draft.

 

I agree.  If Ryan Grigson had been our GM in 1998, is there any doubt he'd have taken Ryan Leaf?

[21isSuperman]

12 minutes ago, Evansville Blue said:

 

I believe it's some of the problem along with the offensive "weapons" they bought for him, like they did for Peyton. As I said earlier, the Colts have had defensive problems for many years. They spend most of the money on offense.This is a fact.

Trent Richardson, TY Hilton, Coby Fleener, Dwayne Allen, Donte Moncrief, Phillip Dorsett, Frank Gore were all acquired before Luck got his new contract.  It has nothing to do with Luck getting paid and everything to do with Grigson not knowing how to build a roster