Chuck Pagano complaints (merge)

[NewColtsFan]

On 12/11/2016 at 4:30 PM, 21isSuperman said:

I think Philbin needs to go since the OL is still bad even though that's his apparent specialty.  I think Pagano needs to go and the reasons for that are well-established.  I think Chud needs to go because his playcalling is downright awful at times.  I think Monachino needs to go because the defense is way too vanilla for my liking.  Bottom line: clean house

 

I know your post was made 11 days ago,  but in the last 6 games the Colts have given up just 9 sacks,  and that's while consistently playing two rookies and now playing 3 rookies.

 

You still want to fire Philbin?!?

[21isSuperman]

10 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

I know your post was made 11 days ago,  but in the last 6 games the Colts have given up just 9 sacks,  and that's while consistently playing two rookies and now playing 3 rookies.

 

You still want to fire Philbin?!?

I'm of the opinion we should clean house.  Getting rid of Pagano, Chud, Monachino, and Grigson would almost certainly mean getting rid of the other positional coaches. 

 

Regarding the specifics of what you said, even though sack numbers are low, Luck is still getting hit.  He took 13 hits in the Houston game alone

[krunk]

And that's all it is is an opinion because we all know that no changes will be made.

[richard pallo]

3 hours ago, krunk said:

And that's all it is is an opinion because we all know that no changes will be made.

Agree!  It's over. Time to move on.

[John Waylon]

Pagano be like "Yo, this is a must win game! Let's break out a fake field goal play!"

He just didn't have the balls to go to the swing gate play.

*

[21isSuperman]

On 2016-12-22 at 11:26 PM, NewColtsFan said:

 

I know your post was made 11 days ago,  but in the last 6 games the Colts have given up just 9 sacks,  and that's while consistently playing two rookies and now playing 3 rookies.

 

You still want to fire Philbin?!?

Did you see Luck take those hits against Oakland?

[NewColtsFan]

3 minutes ago, 21isSuperman said:

Did you see Luck take those hits against Oakland?

 

Zero sacks today.      QB's take hits in every game.     It's football.

 

If you're not happy with the improvement you've seen over the course of the season then I don't know what you want?      6 sacks now in the last 10 games.       And we're playing 3 rookies and Harrison, a 4th year player.

 

 

[21isSuperman]

10 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Zero sacks today.      QB's take hits in every game.     It's football.

 

If you're not happy with the improvement you've seen over the course of the season then I don't know what you want?      6 sacks now in the last 10 games.       And we're playing 3 rookies and Harrison, a 4th year player.

 

 

It's not just about sacks.  Yes, every QB takes hits, but Luck took 13 (!) of them against Houston.  Sack numbers can be reduced by your QB getting rid of the ball quickly, but that doesn't mean the OL is doing a good job.  Luck continues to get hit.  Don't get so focused on sack numbers

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, 21isSuperman said:

It's not just about sacks.  Yes, every QB takes hits, but Luck took 13 (!) of them against Houston.  Sack numbers can be reduced by your QB getting rid of the ball quickly, but that doesn't mean the OL is doing a good job.  Luck continues to get hit.  Don't get so focused on sack numbers

 

And part of the large number of hits that Luck takes is because he chooses to take them.

 

He holds onto the ball waiting for a receiver to come free.     He can get rid of the ball sooner and throw it away if he chooses.      But he chooses not to and so he takes more hits.       It's not all on the line.       And it's been that way all five years Luck has been the QB.

 

 

[CoachLite]

Pagano: "At least they can't eat you."

 

Irsay: "How about some over-cooked Pagano stew for the New Year?"

[21isSuperman]

19 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

And part of the large number of hits that Luck takes is because he chooses to take them.

 

He holds onto the ball waiting for a receiver to come free.     He can get rid of the ball sooner and throw it away if he chooses.      But he chooses not to and so he takes more hits.       It's not all on the line.       And it's been that way all five years Luck has been the QB.

 

It's not all on the line, but a lot of it is.  My point is that just because we aren't giving up sacks, doesn't mean the OL is doing a good job

[OLD FAN MAN]

On 12/24/2016 at 7:27 PM, 21isSuperman said:

It's not just about sacks.  Yes, every QB takes hits, but Luck took 13 (!) of them against Houston.  Sack numbers can be reduced by your QB getting rid of the ball quickly, but that doesn't mean the OL is doing a good job.  Luck continues to get hit.  Don't get so focused on sack numbers

i agree

[NewColtsFan]

8 hours ago, 21isSuperman said:

It's not all on the line, but a lot of it is.  My point is that just because we aren't giving up sacks, doesn't mean the OL is doing a good job

 

It isn't doing a good job.

 

For one year together under a new coach,  it's doing a very good job.   Is it good enough?     Not yet.    But it's clear that it should get there.     Philbin is the guy.     I don't know why you'd fire a very good line coach who has done a good job after one year.      One year.      One.

 

If we clear out Grigson and Pagano,  I hope Irsay tells whoever he hires to bring back Philbin.     He earned his money and then some this year.

 

[NannyMcafee]

12 hours ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

It isn't doing a good job.

 

For one year together under a new coach,  it's doing a very good job.   Is it good enough?     Not yet.    But it's clear that it should get there.     Philbin is the guy.     I don't know why you'd fire a very good line coach who has done a good job after one year.      One year.      One.

 

If we clear out Grigson and Pagano,  I hope Irsay tells whoever he hires to bring back Philbin.     He earned his money and then some this year.

 

 

philbin is turning the line around, that much is clear.

[BOTT]

On 12/25/2016 at 4:00 PM, 21isSuperman said:

It's not all on the line, but a lot of it is.  My point is that just because we aren't giving up sacks, doesn't mean the OL is doing a good job

It's not all on the line nor is it all on Luck.  Yes, Luck holds the ball, but the Colts have run a vertical offense since Luck got here.

 

Effeciency isn't the only reason the league has largely gone to a quick rather passing game.  It protects the QB.

[BOTT]

9 hours ago, NannyMcafee said:

 

philbin is turning the line around, that much is clear.

 

That, and they finally have some guys that can play.

[NannyMcafee]

46 minutes ago, BOTT said:

 

That, and they finally have some guys that can play.

 

Need to figure out tho injury bug. At first I thought saying it's the turf was crazy but I'm starting to think it may have something to do with it. 

 

Anyone know colts injuries at home vs away?

[BloodyChamp]

The OL is no different than the star player in 1 regard - they have to be motivated. This team is not motivated. Being motivated 2 weeks in a row (they were motivated last week...they just got beat) is not the same as motivated, if that makes any sense lol!

 

 

[Rob Wogerman]

At some point "a valiant" effort just isnt good enough. Maybe its just inherent to Indiana teams ie Colts, Pacers, IU, ND ect...

[JColts72]

Looks like chuck back with the win. Ugh.

[RockThatBlue]

 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClarkWade34/status/815686086936641536

 

 

[21isSuperman]

http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1197241-report-owner-very-unhappy-with-colts-play-coaches-fear-changes

[Colts_Fan12]

Both will be back 

[riftastic28]

It's time to cut ties with everyone nobody should be safe .  The line is getting better luck needs more weapons aside from TY he's has nobody  the defense is terrible these are all thingz that the gm and the coach are suppose to going into the season . 

[bleed blue4life]

We do not need to waste another year , do something Jim , Chuck is a great guy but no head coach , Lets face it fans , we need to change  8 and 8 isn't getting us anywhere

[jvan1973]

Oh neat,   another thread discussing the very same thing as 10 others.   

[TDewar1987]

[OffensivelyPC]

New thread, same topic.  Merge appropriate.

[bleed blue4life]

Just voicing my opinion

[bleed blue4life]

Just voicing my opinion

[jvan1973]

Just now, bleed blue 4 life said:

Just voicing my opinion

There are 10-other threads you could have posted in.  

[21isSuperman]

1 hour ago, bleed blue 4 life said:

We do not need to waste another year , do something Jim , Chuck is a great guy but no head coach , Lets face it fans , we need to change  8 and 8 isn't getting us anywhere

Merged

[chad hugo]

The entire NFL right now...

 

[Coltsfan50]

If its time for a change at Head Coach, then stop thinking about it, and do it. Ive read that Irsay is in talks with Jon Gruden. If he is hired as Colts head coach, I think things will change for the better .

[RockThatBlue]

On 12/26/2016 at 0:41 AM, NewColtsFan said:

 

It isn't doing a good job.

 

For one year together under a new coach,  it's doing a very good job.   Is it good enough?     Not yet.    But it's clear that it should get there.     Philbin is the guy.     I don't know why you'd fire a very good line coach who has done a good job after one year.      One year.      One.

 

If we clear out Grigson and Pagano,  I hope Irsay tells whoever he hires to bring back Philbin.     He earned his money and then some this year.

 

Totally agree. Philbin did a pretty good job. 

[colt18]

I like Pagano, I really do. However, when you are a defensive minded coach and you've had an underwhelming defense for the entirety of your tenure....it's time to go. Irsay, quit messing around and get on with it.

[BOTT]

On 1/16/2017 at 1:25 PM, colt18 said:

I like Pagano, I really do. However, when you are a defensive minded coach and you've had an underwhelming defense for the entirety of your tenure....it's time to go. Irsay, quit messing around and get on with it.

I dislike Pagano, as a coach and as a human being, but the talent on that side of the ball is pathetic.

[colt18]

12 hours ago, BOTT said:

I dislike Pagano, as a coach and as a human being, but the talent on that side of the ball is pathetic.

It's more than pathetic. We really decided to skip Landon Collins for Philip Dorsett and then took TJ * Green the very next draft.....smh

[21isSuperman]

16 hours ago, BOTT said:

I dislike Pagano, as a coach and as a human being, but the talent on that side of the ball is pathetic.

What's there to dislike about him as a human?  I don't like him as a coach and I'm very critical of him, but off the field, he's a great guy

[rockywoj]

From Irsay, Pagano is their coach for 2017.  New GM & Irsay will evaluate where things are at and decisions will be made moving forward after that.